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I dissagree. When I talk about the sources of Judaism I talk about what we refer to as the Old Testament. In the Old Testament there is not “imperfect truth” but in the light of Christ we can say there is not the fullness of revelation in the OT…And we have the Magisterium of the Catholic Church backing us up, which is neither biased for nor against Islam and is staffed by people who have undoubtedly studied the issue far more than you. I’m not saying that that makes them right (they’re right regardless of their credentials), but if we’re going to pit credentials against credentials, yours are not on the winning side.
No. The New Age god is a misunderstanding of but a finger of God. Zeus, for example, is not YHWH, but those who believe in Zeus do such because they saw some of the power of YHWH and thought that was the power of an individual distinct from these other sources of power.
In the case of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, however, we all believe in one God, the almighty, creator of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God who led his people the Israelites out of slavery in the Egypt with Moses their prophet, the God who created Adam and Eve from dust. Hence, we all believe in the same God. Jews have an imperfect conception of God and so do Muslims, but I’d venture a guess that the vast majority of Christians don’t really have a very good idea of what they actually believe, nor do any of us, really. Yet that doesn’t mean we’re not worshiping the same God.
Judaism thinks Jesus was at best a wise man, certainly not the messiah, and it is blasphemy to call him the Son of God. They think you are a blasphemer. They clearly have an imperfect conception of God.
Jews call Christians polytheists too, you know.
Who said that? All we said was that we worship the same God, not that worshiping the same God is necessary enough.
“Full” and “Perfect” are for me two different words that must be used with care in the case of Judaism. So I dont critizise Jewish Revelation, like I do the Moslem, but I can critizise Jewish interpretation, (eg. Talmud) of this Revelation.
But the “divine revelation” and therefore source of Islam is both incomplete, full of error and a contradicion to the Christian Revelation. Therefore there is a world of difference to how I view Islam and Judaism.
About your comparison of who is more credible, me or the magisterium, I find such talk ridiculous. But I will say, what I also said to the other friend here, that to think that the magisterum is certainly studied in Islam is a bold claim in my view.
There was a time in history where even popes would call the Jews terrible names and esteemed theologians too… I am sure that if I had lifted my voice to defend the Jews back then I would have been silenced with the words: “You young and stupid woman, do you think you know better than the bishops?”
You talk about Zeus… but why not tell me why the idol Baal was so hated by God?
Maybe if I say I believe that Zeus created the world and Adam and Eve, you will suddenly say that we worship the same god, you and I?..
I think its absurd to say that islam’s allah and the True God of Abraham, Isac and Jacob was the same.
Look… dont you know what allah says? he says “cursed be those who say that Jesus is the Son of God”. That is islams revelation with a message from the spirit that created it …
What more can I say…