Allah and our God the same God?

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english_guy said:
Hello one and all,
Can someone enlighten me?,I would like to know if the Muslim’s Allah is the same God as ours but under another name?What I am trying to say is are they the same?I ask this question with great respect as I do not wish to offend anyone,Catholic or Muslim.I do hope you can help as this has puzzled me for a long while.
God Bless,
Mick.
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As I undersand it, we Christians believe we worship the same God as the Muslims, but the Muslims do not believe this. They believe Christians worship more than one God because of our belief in the Trinity. Not understanding the belief behind this Doctrine they take this to mean Christians worship more than one God. They believe the Muslim and Jewish religions are Monotheistic,but the religion of the Christians is not. So I would imagine the explanation of do we worship the same God as the Muslims would depend on who you ask.
 
elts1956 said:
As I undersand it, we Christians believe we worship the same God as the Muslims, but the Muslims do not believe this. They believe Christians worship more than one God because of our belief in the Trinity. Not understanding the belief behind this Doctrine they take this to mean Christians worship more than one God. They believe the Muslim and Jewish religions are Monotheistic,but the religion of the Christians is not. So I would imagine the explanation of do we worship the same God as the Muslims would depend on who you ask.
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The Quran says just Christians, Jews, Sabians will have nothing to fear on Judgement day, however this seems to be refering to the non-Trinitarian Christian communities in Arabia:shrug: .
 
e61iuser said:
I never said it was. What I’m asking is if “Allah” replaces “YHWH” as God’s proper name.
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I would suspect that from a Muslim standpoint, YHWH was never the only proper name for God. Indeed:
** ‘Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh’** or ‘I Am That I Am’, indicates a number of divine qualities of God, which are mentioned in the Holy Qur’an;
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1.The One “Al-Ahad”
2.The Eternal “As-Samad”
3.The Alive “Al-Hayy”
4.The Self-Subsisting “Al-Qayyum”
5.The Great One “Al-Azim”
6.The Truth “Al-Haqq”
7.The Aware “Al-Khabir”
Hence, the God described by these Arabic Divine Names in the Holy Qur’an, is none other than ‘Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh’ the God of Moses. As YHWH is a derivative of this Divine Name, then YHWH is Allah, Al-Ahad, As-Samad, Al-Hayy, Al-Qayyum, Al-Azim, Al-Haqq, and Al-Khabir. In Islam, Allah is known by 99 Divine Names recorded in the Holy Qur’an, some of these have a linguistic connection with their Hebrew counterparts, and some don’t. But if their meanings are understood, it becomes immediately obvious they are referring to the same Almighty God described in the Holy Bible, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob…
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SedesDomi said:
I would suspect that from a Muslim standpoint, YHWH was never the only proper name for God. Indeed:
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So in other words, God says “My Name is YHWH, I am who am.”

Then Muslims say “I’ll call you… Bob!”.

Something like that?
 
e61iuser said:
So in other words, God says “My Name is YHWH, I am who am.”

Then Muslims say “I’ll call you… Bob!”.

Something like that?
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No, from a Muslim standpoint, God has many Names – at least 99, according to the Qur’an, but when you include the other scriptures from the other prophets, many more than 99.
 
SedesDomi said:
No, from a Muslim standpoint, God has many Names – at least 99, according to the Qur’an, but when you include the other scriptures from the other prophets, many more than 99.
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But those aren’t proper names then, they’re descriptions.

My name can be Procorpio but people might call me “The Great One” or “He Who Lies In Wait”. The last two might be what people call me, but those are merely descriptions. My proper name would still be Procorpio.

Same with YHWH. Millions of people might call Him millions of names, but His proper Name will always be YHWH. Allah would then just be merely a description, correct?
 
e61iuser said:
But those aren’t proper names then, they’re descriptions.

My name can be Procorpio but people might call me “The Great One” or “He Who Lies In Wait”. The last two might be what people call me, but those are merely descriptions. My proper name would still be Procorpio.

Same with YHWH. Millions of people might call Him millions of names, but His proper Name will always be YHWH. Allah would then just be merely a description, correct?
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Many proper names are also descriptive. YHWH is descriptive, if you know the Hebrew meaning of YHWH.
 
SedesDomi said:
Many proper names are also descriptive. YHWH is descriptive, if you know the Hebrew meaning of YHWH.
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The Name’s being descriptive is not the issue. The fact that it is God’s revealed and proper name is.

God Himself revealed His Name as YHWH. Descriptive or not it is the Name that He chose to reveal. Allah being a description of God and just one applied to Him means that it is not God’s proper name.
 
e61iuser said:
The Name’s being descriptive is not the issue. The fact that it is God’s revealed and proper name is.

God Himself revealed His Name as YHWH. Descriptive or not it is the Name that He chose to reveal. Allah being a description of God and just one applied to Him means that it is not God’s proper name.
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Muslims believe the God has revealed Himself under many Names.
 
SedesDomi said:
Muslims believe the God has revealed Himself under many Names.
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Ah. Then THAT is one major difference between Muslims and Christians then, hence the question in most Christian’s minds as to whether or not the God that Muslims worship is even the same that Christians do. So many different names for one eternal, immutable God, all claiming to be His proper Name.
 
Well, I wouldn’t say that Allah and God are the same. In Islam, Allah is 1 being, and is not in 3 persons as we in Christianity believe. There are even verses in the Qu’ran that say something like: “Allah does not beget, nor is he begotten” and that is very anti-Christian if you think about it. So to say that Allah and God are the same is a contradiction.

On one side we have our loving father who is 1 God but is 3 persons (Father, Son, & Holy Spirit) who we call the Holy Trinity, and you can see the reverence for the number 3 throughout the OT and NT.

On the other side you have Allah, who by muslim beliefs is considered merciful just to let you live another day. Allah isn’t composed of 3 persons in 1 (Trinitarian), and the verse I quoted above is directed toward the Muslim belief that Christ isn’t God.
Allah demands service to him, else he’ll do something nasty to you.

So… In my view, no. Allah and God aren’t the same. Allah is a false god, and is decieveing many people right now. After all, if Mohammed is really Allah’s prophet, and the Koran is Allah’s word, or whatever Islam believes it is… How can Mohammed claim that Christ wasn’t the son of God… 600 YEARS AFTER the time of the Apostles??

In ending, I’ll quote my pastor:

“In Christianity, we know this… Other religions know ABOUT God,
but we as Christians KNOW God (Christ) and who He is.” Pax Christi:thumbsup:
 
e61iuser said:
Ah. Then THAT is one major difference between Muslims and Christians then, hence the question in most Christian’s minds as to whether or not the God that Muslims worship is even the same that Christians do. So many different names for one eternal, immutable God, all claiming to be His proper Name.
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I would say that Christians also believe that God has revealed His Names besides YHWH. For instance, Jesus called the Father “Abba”. That sounds like a Name to me, spoken directly by God (the Son), no less.
 
Nickkname said:
benedicter;3665441:
This is the last time I’m going to say this: Muslims worship God
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. They don’t worship the God of Islam, they worship God.

Well, if you were to say that then you would be a Christian. As I’ve said before to others: Other religions know about God, but we as Christians KNOW God (Christ). 👍
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SedesDomi said:
Do Jews worship the same God as Christians?
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Yes and no. In Judaism, it is monotheistic in nature b/c Jews worship God the Father, but deny the fact that Christ is God as well. We as Christians (with a few exceptions… Jehovah’s Witnesses, etc…) worship the trinitarian God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), revealed in Jesus Christ.

The first book of Holy Scripture was written about 1450 - 1410 B.C. In Genesis 1:26 you can see that God revealed Himself to Moses as being more than one person, but still being 1 God:

Gen 1:26

“And he said: Let US make man to our image and likeness: and let him have dominion over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and the beasts, and the whole earth, and every creeping creature that moveth upon the earth.”

In reading this, God is composed of 3 persons, which is revealed elsewhere in scripture. The Koran says different though. In one verse of the Koran it says: “Allah does not beget nor is he begotten.”
Now seeing this was written 7-800 years after Christ’s resurrection, I would say it’s safe to bet that Mohammed was directing a conflicting doctrine torward Christianity… After all, if Allah does not beget, then Jesus was just a man. But a mere man doesn’t: Walk on water, perform healing miracles, multiply loaves of bread and fish, and resurrect from death. Because Christ has revealed and proved himself to be God, that puts the Koran as being a fallible book. 👍
 
“That Islam was conceived in idolatry is shown by the fact that many rituals performed in the name of Allah were connected with the pagan worship that existed before Islam. And today, millions of Moslems pray towards Mecca, where the famous revered black stone is located.
1.Before Islam Allah was reported to be know as: the supreme of a pantheon of gods; the name of a god whom the Arabs worshipped; the chief god of the pantheon; Ali-ilah; the god; the supreme; the all-powerful; all-knowing; and totally unknowable; the predeterminer of everyone’s life destiny; chief of the gods; the special deity of the Quraish; having three daughters: Al Uzzah (Venus), Manah (Destiny), and Alat; having the idol temple at Mecca under his name (House of Allah).; the mate of Alat, the goddess of fate.
2.Because the Ka’aba, the sacred shrine which contains the Black Stone, in Mecca was used for pagan idol worship before Islam and even called the House of Allah at that time.
3.Because the rituals involved with the Islamic Pilgrimage are either identical or very close to the pre-Islamic pagan idol worship at Mecca.
4. Because of other Arabian history which points to heathen worship of the sun, moon, and the stars, as well as other gods, of which I believe Allah was in some way connected to. This then would prove to us that Allah is not the same as the true God of the Bible whom we worship, because God never changes.” (Is Allah The Same God As The God Of The Bible?, M. J. Afshari, p 6, 8-9):coffeeread:
 
Mohammed learned monotheism from Christians, and this is a proven fact. Arabs were “late bloomers” when it came to rejecting polytheism and adopting monotheism. While much of the world had rejected polytheism, Arabs, like late blooming adolescents finally gave up their eternal history of paganism… thanks to the direct influence of Christians.

The phrase, “no god but Allah”? proves “Allah” is not just another word for “God” to the Muslims. The transliterated phrase from Arabic reads, “La ilaha illAllah.” A word for word translation into English would read: La [no] ilaha [god] ill [except or but] Allah [Allah]. The important thing to note is that the word “Allah” is a name and is not the word for god. If “Allah” were the word for god, then the phrase would read, "there is no allah but allah. Clearly it does not. The Qur’an itself claims that Allah is the personal name of the Islamic god: (017.110) “Say, Call Him Allah or call Him Ar-Rahman; whatever the name you call Him, all His names are beautiful.” If “Allah” were the word for god, then Islam’s god is nameless. There is also no evidence that the word “Allah” is a contraction of the words “al ilah,” which means, “the god.” If it were, then again, the phrase would read, “there is no allah but allah.” As part of the first “Pillar of Islam,” this issue is critical as Islam claims that the God of the Bible (whose name is Yahweh) and Allah are one in the same and that we all, therefore, worship the same god.👍
 
5pintLutheran said:
Yes and no. In Judaism, it is monotheistic in nature b/c Jews worship God the Father, but deny the fact that Christ is God as well.
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So, Muslims both worship the same God as Christians, and don’t worship the same God as Christians?
 
elts1956 said:
As I undersand it, we Christians believe we worship the same God as the Muslims, but the Muslims do not believe this. They believe Christians worship more than one God because of our belief in the Trinity. Not understanding the belief behind this Doctrine they take this to mean Christians worship more than one God. They believe the Muslim and Jewish religions are Monotheistic,but the religion of the Christians is not. So I would imagine the explanation of do we worship the same God as the Muslims would depend on who you ask.
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5:51 O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust.

5:72-73: They do blaspheme who say: “God is Christ the son of Mary.” But said Christ: “O Children of Israel! worship God, my Lord and your Lord.” Whoever joins other gods with God, - God will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrongdoers be no one to help. They do blaspheme who say: God is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One God. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.

9:29 “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his apostle nor acknowledge the religion of truth of the people of the Book (the Jews and the Christians) until they pay the Jizya [tax on non-Muslims] with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.”

Straight out of the Koran.:ehh:
 
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