ALLAH same as GOD ? Or is this HERESY ?

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If you are Catholic, there is no question that Allah is the same as God. Unless you are going to oppose Church Doctrine:

The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

DECLARATION ON
THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
NOSTRA AETATE
PROCLAIMED BY HIS HOLINESS
POPE PAUL VI
ON OCTOBER 28, 1965

It’s a no brainer. Just ask your pope.
 
If you are Catholic, there is no question that Allah is the same as God. Unless you are going to oppose Church Doctrine:

The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

DECLARATION ON
THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
NOSTRA AETATE
PROCLAIMED BY HIS HOLINESS
POPE PAUL VI
ON OCTOBER 28, 1965

It’s a no brainer. Just ask your pope.
And it makes sense. The only argument I hear against the trueness of the Muslim God is—it is not the trinity. But then again, Jews do not worship the Trinity. Does that mean that the Jews do not worship the one true God?

It doesn’t make any sense to me how a Christian can say that Jews worship the same God but Muslims do not. Jews do not believe in the Son, but does that mean that they do not worship the one true God?
 
He died as king of the Jews???
Historically, yes! “Jesus is God” is not trying to impose on you sth you do not believe. Jesus was the King of the Jews according to the passion narratives in the Gospels. 😉
Wouldn’t this also apply to Jews, Hindus and every other religion outside of Christanity.
Nope. This would not apply to Jews because Judaism believed in the one true God centuries before Jesus’ incarnation. Muslims, on the other hand, came after Jesus and Christianity!
Hear O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One. That’s pretty much saying the same thing. In other words, there is no diety besides (other than) God.
A rose by any other name…
First, such an analogy opens the door to polytheism. Two, Muslims absolutely dissent from you because they never say that Allah is God! For Islam, Allah and god are different notions!

Evenu Shalom Alachem,
Angelos N.
 
Muhammad did claim that Allah is the god of Abraham but his Allah is so different in character and moral perspective to that which Abraham worshipped.

Many people here ascribe a great deal to the Muslims claim to worship ‘The One God’. Does a singularity in godhead imply identity? There are many cults that worship the ‘one god’ - it doesn’t mean they worship the same ‘one god’ as you do’. Their ‘one god’ is not the same as your ‘one god’.

The Muslim god is cruel, sadistic, and unloving. The Christian god is loving and kind. Even an atheist like me knows that.

No, to me, the Muslim Allah is not the God of Abraham, purely and simply because their characteristics are entirely different. It is merely the claim of Muhammad that the Muslim Allah is the God of Abraham and I don’t hold any store in Muhammad words as I know he was a liar.

It is not a misunderstanding that the Muslims have of their God that shows their God is a misunderstanding of the God of Abraham. The foundation of their belief was a lie to begin with.

So, I don’t hold that the Muslims worship the God of Abraham, thought their understanding of Him is mistaken. I hold that they worship Satan who took on the guise of the God of Abraham (were I to put my understanding in religious terms).

For only a Satanic religion would have a pedophilic, genocidal, ethnic-cleansing, war-monger, robber-chief lying slave-trading, lecherous, polygamous cheat as his prophet. That was the greatest trick of Satan - to make a religion of so obvious unwholesomeness that still tricked/tricks millions of people into believing is the religion of Abraham.

I just don’t buy it.

PS: Al-Illah was the word they used to describe Hubal, the moon god as well. One might just as well say Hubal is the God of Abraham if one were to buy Arabic semantics as the sole reason for deciding if the Muslim Allah is the God of Abraham.
 
A further thought:

It is only the Arabic translators who decided that “God” in the Bible should be translated as “Allah”.

Are you saying you are holding to the belief that the Muslim Allah is the God of Abraham solely on the decision of mortal Arabic translators? Who gave them the right to decide that the Muslim Allah is the God of Abraham?
 
A further thought:

It is only the Arabic translators who decided that “God” in the Bible should be translated as “Allah”.

Are you saying you are holding to the belief that the Muslim Allah is the God of Abraham solely on the decision of mortal Arabic translators? Who gave them the right to decide that the Muslim Allah is the God of Abraham?
The english word “God” is a translation in the bible from other languages, undertaken by mortal english speaking translators. The word “God” comes from non-Christian languages.

Who gave them the right to decide that “God” is really the same word as YHWH?

This is a silly argument. Muslims worship the same God who gave laws to Moses and Jesus. The Catechism of the Catholic Church says they worship the same God of Abraham. Arabic speaking Christians, who believe in Jesus just like other Christians, use the word “Allah” in their language when they talk about God.

Continuing to argue that there’s some odd logical technicality that makes the above moot can only be the product of an agenda, and not a sincere search for the truth.
 
A further thought:

It is only the Arabic translators who decided that “God” in the Bible should be translated as “Allah”.

Are you saying you are holding to the belief that the Muslim Allah is the God of Abraham solely on the decision of mortal Arabic translators? Who gave them the right to decide that the Muslim Allah is the God of Abraham?
The english word “God” is a translation in the bible from other languages, undertaken by mortal english speaking translators. “God” itself comes from a pre-Christian, non-Jewish language.

Who gave them the right to decide that “God” is really the same word as YHWH?

This is a silly argument. Muslims worship the same God who gave laws to Moses and Jesus. The Catechism of the Catholic Church says they worship the same God of Abraham. Arabic speaking Christians, who believe in Jesus just like other Christians, use the word “Allah” in their language when they talk about God.

Continuing to argue that there’s some odd logical technicality that makes the above moot can only be the product of an agenda, and not a sincere search for the truth.
 
Welcome back, pro.
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pro:
The english word “God” is a translation in the bible from other languages, undertaken by mortal english speaking translators. The word “God” comes from non-Christian languages.
So what? Does the word “God”, in whatever language, mean the God of Abraham? No.

Many other cults and religions also use the word, “God”. And nobody for an instance would think they are referring to the God of Abraham.
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pro:
Who gave them the right to decide that “God” is really the same word as YHWH?

This is a silly argument. Muslims worship the same God who gave laws to Moses and Jesus. The Catechism of the Catholic Church says they worship the same God of Abraham. Arabic speaking Christians, who believe in Jesus just like other Christians, use the word “Allah” in their language when they talk about God.
  1. It’s only Muhammad’s claim that the Muslim Allah is the same God who gave laws to Moses and Jesus. If he cannot even get the trinity right and has been shown to plagiarise the apocrypha, why would we believe him?
For instance, the laws given to Moses - how many did Muhammad break? I know you expect me to believe that Yahweh gave Muhammad the right to break the 10 commandments willy-nilly, but I assure you I will not believe so.
  1. I don’t care what the catechism says as it was written by mortal men, no matter how well intentioned they may be, no matter how high in the Catholic Church hierarchy they are.
I, for one, do not arrogate my thinking to others. I can tell you categorically that the authors of the catechism are wrong because the characteristics of the Muslim Allah are diametrically opposite to the God of Jesus.

Jesus said, ‘love thy neighbors’, ‘turn the other cheek’.

Muhammad said, ‘kill those who do not believe in Allah etc.’/

Now, if you expect me to believe that Jesus and Muhammad were talking of the same God you’ll be waiting a loooooong time.
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pro:
Continuing to argue that there’s some odd logical technicality that makes the above moot can only be the product of an agenda, and not a sincere search for the truth.
Huh?

How is arguing that Muhammad was a liar an odd logical technicality?

How is arguing that the characterictics of the Muslim Allah and the God of Abraham so different is an odd logical technicality?

How is arguing that one shouldn’t take the word of some unknown, unnamed Arabic translator an odd logical technicality? Are these Arabic translators prophets of God such that you have to believe them? Heck, show me another Arabic word they could have used - there isn’t one for the word, “God” with a capital G. So you have a choice of one in the Arabic language and from that you conclude what?
 
Welcome back, pro.

So what? Does the word “God”, in whatever language, mean the God of Abraham? No.

Many other cults and religions also use the word, “God”. And nobody for an instance would think they are referring to the God of Abraham.
Then I guess your claim about “mortal translators” is irrelevant, isn’t it?
  1. It’s only Muhammad’s claim that the Muslim Allah is the same God who gave laws to Moses and Jesus. If he cannot even get the trinity right and has been shown to plagiarise the apocrypha, why would we believe him?
That’s not relevant either. Jews universally propose that Jesus was totally wrong (at least, the Jesus that Christians follow as told of in the bible.) Does that mean that Jews cannot ever believe that Christians worship the same God?

After all, from a Jewish perspective, Jesus’s claims to be God are blasphemy. If he can’t even get the basic theology of the messiah right, how can he be worshipping the same God as the Jews?

See where your logic goes? To absurdity.
  1. I don’t care what the catechism says as it was written by mortal men, no matter how well intentioned they may be, no matter how high in the Catholic Church hierarchy they are.
Yes, I realize you don’t care, but it’s a bit silly to tell two different groups who agree that they worship the same God that neither does, don’t you think?

The Catholic Church says it worships the same God as Muslims. Rodrigo says it doesn’t. Who is more likely to be right about what Catholics believe?
Jesus said, ‘love thy neighbors’, ‘turn the other cheek’.
Muhammad said, ‘kill those who do not believe in Allah etc.’/
And Luther said faith alone, and the Church didn’t say faith alone. Does that mean that Lutherans and Catholics worship two different Gods?
Are these Arabic translators prophets of God such that you have to believe them?
No, but they’re Christians. There is just as much reason for believing that they were right as there is for believing that the English translators who made “God” in the english bible were right that Jesus is the same as the english “God.”
 
Then I guess your claim about “mortal translators” is irrelevant, isn’t it?
Why is my claim irrelevant?
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pro:
That’s not relevant either. Jews universally propose that Jesus was totally wrong (at least, the Jesus that Christians follow as told of in the bible.) Does that mean that Jews cannot ever believe that Christians worship the same God?

After all, from a Jewish perspective, Jesus’s claims to be God are blasphemy. If he can’t even get the basic theology of the messiah right, how can he be worshipping the same God as the Jews?

See where your logic goes? To absurdity.
Jesus is not the God of Abraham.

You have to prove that the God of Abraham as advocated by Jesus has characteristics that cannot be reconciled with the God of Abraham as advocated by Moses.

That is the point you have missed altogether since you accept without reservation the words of Muhammad the liar.
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Yes, I realize you don’t care, but it’s a bit silly to tell two different groups who agree that they worship the same God that neither does, don’t you think?
No. Not all Catholics believe the Muslim Allah is the God of Abraham - I can dredge up some Christian saints who thought Muhammad was the Devil’s spawn.
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pro:
The Catholic Church says it worships the same God as Muslims. Rodrigo says it doesn’t. Who is more likely to be right about what Catholics believe?
The Catholic Church is not infallible - teachings change every so often but the truth remains. If you believe the Catholic Church is infallible why did you claim you left Catholicism?

Methinks you only believe the Catholic Church when it suits you - i.e. when it conforms to your Islamic beliefs.
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And Luther said faith alone, and the Church didn’t say faith alone. Does that mean that Lutherans and Catholics worship two different Gods?
We’re talking about the God of Abraham, not some ancillary doctrine.
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No, but they’re Christians. There is just as much reason for believing that they were right as there is for believing that the English translators who made “God” in the english bible were right that Jesus is the same as the english “God.”
So what? Since there is no other word fo God with a capital G in Arabic other than Allah, what did you expect the Arabic translators to use? Mickey Mouse?

Also, you’re arguing that since some unknown Arabic Christian translator decided to use the only word available to them to describe God with a capital G you believe that Muhammad’s Allah is the God of Abraham.

When you have no choice, why make a big deal about the choice?
 
The sum total of your argument is this:

-Jews don’t worship the same God as Christians (since the Jewish God can’t be human, and the Christian God is human)

and

-The Catholic Church isn’t authoritative as to the beliefs of the Catholic Church.

Both of those claims of yours are absurd. It’s great that you want to assert that Catholics can be wrong, but they are certainly the best source for figuring out what Catholics actually believe.

Just like Jews, who also acknowledge that Muslims worship the same God they do.

Jews, Catholics, and Muslims all agree that they worship the same God. Rodrigo Bivar says they don’t. I’m going to have to side with Jews, Catholics, and Muslims regarding Jewish, Muslim, and Catholic beliefs on this one.
 
The sum total of your argument is this:

-Jews don’t worship the same God as Christians (since the Jewish God can’t be human, and the Christian God is human)
Let us take a potted examination of the claim of Jesus’s divinity vis-a-vis the God of Abraham.

Is the claim that Jesus being divinity inconsistent with the God of Abraham? No. This question has engaged theologians for centuries and they have never proved otherwise.

On the other hand, you can never convince me that the God of Abraham would permit Muhammad to break the 10 commandments whenever he felt like it.

pro said:
-The Catholic Church isn’t authoritative as to the beliefs of the Catholic Church.

Like I said, you only believe what you want to believe. Do you believe Pope Ben XVI when he suggested Islam is a religion of hate and violence?

pro said:
-Both of those claims of yours are absurd. It’s great that you want to assert that Catholics can be wrong, but they are certainly the best source for figuring out what Catholics actually believe.

What Catholics actually believe about Islam/Muslim is in a state of flux as with all ancillary theological questions. In future there will be other catechisms and other doctrines. If you bothered to look at the history of the church you’d see changes in doctrine happening all the time - so if you want to take the Church’s word on every issue why aren’t you a Catholic?

As for moir, I prefer to use my own logic.
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Just like Jews, who also acknowledge that Muslims worship the same God they do.
And I say to those Jews - look at surah 9 and other theological sources where the God of Abraham is viciously anti-Jew.

So I say to those misguided Jews - read the Quran and hadiths and see how Muslims are commanded by the supposed ‘God of Abraham’ to kill/oppress them.
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pro:
Jews, Catholics, and Muslims all agree that they worship the same God. Rodrigo Bivar says they don’t. I’m going to have to side with Jews, Catholics, and Muslims regarding Jewish, Muslim, and Catholic beliefs on this one.
Not all Jews say the Muslims worship the God of Abraham. Not all Catholics say that too. I happen to present arguments to say the Muslim Allah is not the God of Abraham. If you have any counter-arguments now would be the time to present them, instead of saying, “so and so says this so we have to believe him/her.”
 
See what I mean?

Jews and Catholics don’t know their own beliefs or Islam. Only Rodrigo knows Judaism, Catholicism, and Islam.

All that expertise must make you a real legend in your own mind :).
 
I asked you to present your counter-arguments and all you have is your slime. Nice effort, Muslim.
 
I would highlight to readers the impermanent nature of church doctrine. In today’s PC age I note the softly-softly ecumenical, “we are one”, “we worship the same God”, attitude of the Catholic Church wrt to the Muslims.

I prefer to believe people who have actually suffered under Islam, as I have.

St John of Damascus, the last of the Church Fathers, given the title Doctor of the Church by the Holy See in 1883 has this to say about Islam.

"John of Damascus (wr. 730s)
[John of Damascus, De haeresibus C/CI, 60-61 (pp. 485-486):]

There is also the people-deceiving cult (threskeia) of the Ishmaelites, the forerunner of the Antichrist, which prevails until now. It derives from Ishmael, who was born to Abraham from Hagar, wherefore they are called Hagarenes and Ishmaelites. And they call them Saracens, inasmuch as they were [sent away] empty-handed by Sarah (ek tes Sarras kenous); for it was said to the angel by Hagar: “Sarah has sent me away empty-handed” (cf. Genesis xxi. 10, 14).

These, then, were idolators and worshippers of the morning star and Aphrodite whom in fact they called Chabar in their own language, which means “great.” So until the times of Heraclius they were plain idolators. From that time till now a false prophet appeared among them, surnamed Muhammad (Mamed), who, having happened upon the Old and the New Testament and apparently having conversed, in like manner, with an Arian monk, put together his own heresy. And after ingratiating himself with the people by a pretence of piety, he spread rumours of a scripture (graphe) brought down to him from heaven. So, having drafted some ludicrous doctrines in his book, he handed over to them this form of worship (to sebas).

[John of Damascus, De haeresibus, C/CI, 63-64 (pp. 486-487):]

They call us associators (hetairiastas) because, they say, we introduce to God an associate by saying Christ is the Son of God and God. To them we say that the prophets and the scripture have transmitted this, and you, as you affirm, accept the prophets. . . . Again we say to them: “How, when you say that Christ is the Word and Spirit of God, do you revile us as associators? For the Word and the Spirit are inseparable. . . . So we call you mutilators (koptas) of God.”

They misrepresent us as idolaters because we prostrate ourselves before the cross, which they loathe. And we say to them: “How then do you rub yourselves on a stone at your Ka’ba (Chabatha) and hail the stone with fond kisses?” . . . This, then, which they call “stone,” is the head of Aphrodite, whom they used to worship and whom they call Chabar.

[John of Damascus, De haerisibus, C/CI, 64-67 (p. 487):]

This Muhammad, as it has been mentioned, compoased many frivolous tales, to each of which he assigned a name, like the text (graphe) of the Woman, in which he clearly prescribes the taking of four wives and one thousand concubines, as if it is possible (story of Zayd is told; cf. Qur’an xxxiii.37). . . . Another is the text of the Camel of God, about which he says that there was a camel from God (story of Salih’s camel; cf. Qur’an xci. 11-14, vii. 77). . . . You say that in paradise you will have three rivers fowing with water, wine and milk (cf. Qur’an ii. 25, xviii. 31, xxii. 23). . . . Again, Muhammad mentions the text of the Table. He says that Christ requested from God a table and it was given to him, for God, he says, told him: “I have given to you and those with you an incorruptible table.” Again, he mentions the text of the Cow and several other foolish and ludicrous things which, because of their number, I think I should pass over.

[John of Damascus, De haerisibus, C/CI, 67 (p. 487):]

He prescribed that they be circumcised, women as well, and he commanded neither to observe the sabbath nor to be baptised, to eat those things forbidden in the Law and to abstain from the others. Drinking of wine he forbade absolutely.

[John of Damascus, De haerisibus, C/CI, 61 (pp. 488-489):]

He says Christ is the Word of God and His Spirit (cf. Qur’an iv. 171), created (iii. 59) and a servant (iv. 172, xix. 30, xliii. 59), and that he was born from Mary (iii. 45, and cf. 'Isa ibn Maryam), the sister of Moses and Aaron (xix. 28), without seed (iii. 47, xix. 20, xxi. 91, lxvi. 12). For, he says, the Word of God and the Spirit entered Mary (xix. 17, xxi. 91, lxvi. 12), and she gave birth to Jesus, a prophet (ix. 30, xxxiii. 7) and a servant of God. And [he says] that the Jews, acting unlawfully, wanted to crucify him, but, on seizing [him], they crucified [only] his shadow; Christ himself was not crucified, he says, nor did he die (iv. 157). For God took him up to heaven to Himself . . . and God questioned him saying: “Jesus, did you say that ‘I am son of God and God?’” And he says, Jesus answered, “Mercy me, Lord, you know that I did not say so (v. 116). . . .”

christianorigins.com/islamrefs.html

Church doctrines come and go, but the words of St John of Damascus should be a lesson - including to those who wrote the catechism.
 
I would highlight to readers the impermanent nature of church doctrine. In today’s PC age I note the softly-softly ecumenical, “we are one”, “we worship the same God”, attitude of the Catholic Church wrt to the Muslims.

I prefer to believe people who have actually suffered under Islam, as I have.

St John of Damascus, the last of the Church Fathers, given the title Doctor of the Church by the Holy See in 1883 has this to say about Islam.

"John of Damascus (wr. 730s)
[John of Damascus, De haeresibus C/CI, 60-61 (pp. 485-486):]

There is also the people-deceiving cult (threskeia) of the Ishmaelites, the forerunner of the Antichrist, which prevails until now. It derives from Ishmael, who was born to Abraham from Hagar, wherefore they are called Hagarenes and Ishmaelites. And they call them Saracens, inasmuch as they were [sent away] empty-handed by Sarah (ek tes Sarras kenous); for it was said to the angel by Hagar: “Sarah has sent me away empty-handed” (cf. Genesis xxi. 10, 14).

These, then, were idolators and worshippers of the morning star and Aphrodite whom in fact they called Chabar in their own language, which means “great.” So until the times of Heraclius they were plain idolators. From that time till now a false prophet appeared among them, surnamed Muhammad (Mamed), who, having happened upon the Old and the New Testament and apparently having conversed, in like manner, with an Arian monk, put together his own heresy. And after ingratiating himself with the people by a pretence of piety, he spread rumours of a scripture (graphe) brought down to him from heaven. So, having drafted some ludicrous doctrines in his book, he handed over to them this form of worship (to sebas).

[John of Damascus, De haeresibus, C/CI, 63-64 (pp. 486-487):]

They call us associators (hetairiastas) because, they say, we introduce to God an associate by saying Christ is the Son of God and God. To them we say that the prophets and the scripture have transmitted this, and you, as you affirm, accept the prophets. . . . Again we say to them: “How, when you say that Christ is the Word and Spirit of God, do you revile us as associators? For the Word and the Spirit are inseparable. . . . So we call you mutilators (koptas) of God.”

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wow.👍

Anyway, an in a very “objective” way, i can say, call it “Political correctness”, call it “the spirit of charity”, call it “giving the benefit of a doubt”, call it “the spirit of union”,call it whatever you want, i don’t think the Church will create chaos, will triger more persecution to Christians in Muslim lands by declaring the God of Muhammad as different God, or a false god.

in my own understanding, Muslims believe in the creator of this world, which happens to be One. So whoever believes that one creator created this world, is worshipping the only God THEORETICALLY.

i can invent a book, saying i am the prophet of God the creator of this world, called Alliho, mix some OT, NT, gnostic interpretations ,apocryphal passages and some rabbinical interpretation and seal it with : today i (Alliho) have perfected human’s religion.

Obviously, i have compelled others to say that i believe in the same God because i have hijacked this God so-to-speak, but obviously, we are NOT talking about the same God theologically. There is One creator of this world, but is it God or Alliho? both cannot be true so we are both worshipping the same God theoretically but not practically because God is the same, it was Muhammad who was fake, just like Joseph Smith, and who jijacked God in order to give credibility to his cult.

the church says we worship the same God because Islam is monotheistic, but the church never says we worship the same God theologically, and the Church never said Muhammad is a prophet from God. Remember, EVEN SATAN believes in the God of Abraham. So if the Church says Muslims worship the God of Abraham, i don’t take it as an agreement on Muhammad being a prophet of God or Islam being truthful, because the Church admits as well that even Satan knows the Only God, the God of Abraham.

So i repeat, call the Church’s teachings whatever you want, i see no difference between Muslims believe in the God of Abraham, and Ghulam Ahmad believes in the God of Abraham, and Joseph Smith believes in the God of Abraham, and Satan believes in the God of Abraham. All these believe in the God of Abraham, and anyone who believes that only one entity created this world believes in the God of Abraham…that’s absolutely no problem. It is the characteristics of this God that shows that it is either God or Allah, and the Church never said that Muhammad’s version of God is the truth, nor that Muhammad is a prophet. I repeat, the Church teaches that Satan believes in the God of Abraham
 
If you’ve been watching the Pope’s visit to Turkey on EWTN you may have noticed the Turkish Christians refer to God as Allah in their liturgy. Allah is a word for God. Muslims may have things wrong, but let’s not quibble over semantics.
👍 Same thing with Indonesian also.
Allah Bapa - God the Father
Allah Putra - God the Son
Allah Roh Kudus - God the Holy Spirit
 
Does this mean that Jews do not worship the same God even though they do not except the Trinity?

The bottom line is this: You cannot say Jews worship the same God without saying that Muslims do to, unless you are being a hypocrite.
I would argue that Jews are not worshipping the same God. They deny what has been revealed - the Trinity. But at least they are taking part of the Bible into account and have the right foundation, so an ignorance argument can be made to those who have never heard of Christ. They are like those given John’s baptism not aware of the Holy Spirit (at least that could be argued). The muslims enjoy no biblical heritage.

Mel
 
If you are Catholic, there is no question that Allah is the same as God. Unless you are going to oppose Church Doctrine:

The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

DECLARATION ON
THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
NOSTRA AETATE
PROCLAIMED BY HIS HOLINESS
POPE PAUL VI
ON OCTOBER 28, 1965

It’s a no brainer. Just ask your pope.
This is actually one of the main things that keeps me out of the Catholic Church. It is a new and untenable position.
 
Muhammad did claim that Allah is the god of Abraham but his Allah is so different in character and moral perspective to that which Abraham worshipped.

Many people here ascribe a great deal to the Muslims claim to worship ‘The One God’. Does a singularity in godhead imply identity? There are many cults that worship the ‘one god’ - it doesn’t mean they worship the same ‘one god’ as you do’. Their ‘one god’ is not the same as your ‘one god’.

The Muslim god is cruel, sadistic, and unloving. The Christian god is loving and kind. Even an atheist like me knows that.

No, to me, the Muslim Allah is not the God of Abraham, purely and simply because their characteristics are entirely different. It is merely the claim of Muhammad that the Muslim Allah is the God of Abraham and I don’t hold any store in Muhammad words as I know he was a liar.

It is not a misunderstanding that the Muslims have of their God that shows their God is a misunderstanding of the God of Abraham. The foundation of their belief was a lie to begin with.

So, I don’t hold that the Muslims worship the God of Abraham, thought their understanding of Him is mistaken. I hold that they worship Satan who took on the guise of the God of Abraham (were I to put my understanding in religious terms).

For only a Satanic religion would have a pedophilic, genocidal, ethnic-cleansing, war-monger, robber-chief lying slave-trading, lecherous, polygamous cheat as his prophet. That was the greatest trick of Satan - to make a religion of so obvious unwholesomeness that still tricked/tricks millions of people into believing is the religion of Abraham.

I just don’t buy it.

PS: Al-Illah was the word they used to describe Hubal, the moon god as well. One might just as well say Hubal is the God of Abraham if one were to buy Arabic semantics as the sole reason for deciding if the Muslim Allah is the God of Abraham.
Well said. This is exactly true. I wonder if any of the writters of Vatican II read the Koran before penning such a thoughtless and ignorant sentiment.
 
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