Allah should not be called Father!

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Islam beleives that there is only God the God. Everything other being is created by God the God and are lesser than Him. Not equal or to Him or realted to Him any way. His creations is below Him. ALL His creation including Isa ibn Maryam.
If you really meditate on how I explained God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit…you might understand that we are worshipping one God. Think of water ice and steam…The three are the same substance under different forms
God the Father had a thought of God The Son, and the thought was so real, as in the days when the universe was created that The Son came into being, and the Love between the Father and the Son so real that God the Holy Spirit came to be, and was sent to the Virgin…
 
It’s not that we think you worship Mary. We know you don’t. But the idols set up is enough for us to not accept it. The pictures of what is said to be the image of Jesus and Mary every where is what we are in disagreement with.

It’s just so much things we see as being incorrect in these things amongst others.
Just so you understand, we don’t have idols of anything in our churches. We do have statues and pictures of Mary, Jesus, and the saints. We pray before these statues and pictures but not to them. We pray to God or if it is a prayer to Mary or one of the other saints it is to ask them to pray to God for us. Hope this clears up any misunderstanding you may have had.
 
If you really meditate on how I explained God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit…you might understand that we are worshipping one God. Think of water ice and steam…The three are the same substance under different forms
A very good analogy. Love your signature by the way.
 
Back to the above subject at hand may I refer you back to my post #11.
 
Do you speak Arabic? Because My son in law says that when they use the Arabic language in mass they refer to God as Allah. Sounds like Allah=God, but if you want to say that Allah is not the being we refer to when we say God then I will accept that and will have no choice to believe that you worship a different God than I do. Makes life a lot easier for me because I never understood how someone could think that the God I worship would want people to do the thing Islamic terrorist do
I didn’t disagree with you. All I did was break it down for you. For example, there is no word for terror in Arabic. Yet terror is widely used amongst Muslims, because this is the best word they could find for a word. It’s that the word has the same exact meaning as the translated word that it seems simular to. It’s just the best word for it. If you speak more than one language no matter what these languages are, you’ll understand what I am saying. You have Arab speaking Christians who uses the word Allah to refer to God alone. I don’t do what any tewrrorists do, whether Islamic, Jew, Hindu, Christian or who ever. So we are seeing eye to eye.
 
If you really meditate on how I explained God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit…you might understand that we are worshipping one God. Think of water ice and steam…The three are the same substance under different forms
I’ve long meditated on that. Water, Ice and Steam are all the same. Different forms. In Islam God is ONE! Absolute ONE! No separate forms.
 
Just so you understand, we don’t have idols of anything in our churches. We do have statues and pictures of Mary, Jesus, and the saints. We pray before these statues and pictures but not to them. We pray to God or if it is a prayer to Mary or one of the other saints it is to ask them to pray to God for us. Hope this clears up any misunderstanding you may have had.
My Brother, people talk from their own experiences. Thus I am talking from mine. Every Catholic church I have stepped foot in, there where murals of the images that are suppose to be Jesus and his mom, peace be on them both. So I am talking from my experience. And I have been to many Catholic ceremonies.

In Islam this is called haram(forbidden). We do not have images our places of worship. I have no misunderstanding brother. I think you are misunderstanding.
 
The Trinity is not separate “forms”, but Persons. We are monotheists and believe in only one God who exists in three Persons who have the same nature/essence/substance.
 
I didn’t disagree with you. All I did was break it down for you. For example, there is no word for terror in Arabic. Yet terror is widely used amongst Muslims, because this is the best word they could find for a word. It’s that the word has the same exact meaning as the translated word that it seems simular to. It’s just the best word for it. If you speak more than one language no matter what these languages are, you’ll understand what I am saying. You have Arab speaking Christians who uses the word Allah to refer to God alone. I don’t do what any tewrrorists do, whether Islamic, Jew, Hindu, Christian or who ever. So we are seeing eye to eye.
With the different understanding of your God=Master, and the God of all creation=Father, … perhaps the word for terror is or could be a version of submit. Their goal is the same - the spread of Islam to all, and the conversion/submission of all non-Muslims.

I reject that as much as the false prophet Muhammed.

And Jesus did not worship God the Father like the individuals in the Scriptures (Moses, David, Adam etc), and the individuals completely out of Scripture (Muhammad) To group them together is at the least misleading and disengenuous.

IMHO

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I’ve long meditated on that. Water, Ice and Steam are all the same. Different forms. In Islam God is ONE! Absolute ONE! No separate forms.
I think the better term here is “aspect”, not “form”. God appears to Man in the three Aspects that satisfy Man’s needs: as the Father/King for Man to serve and worship; as the Son/Savior to save Man from sin; and as the Spirit/Convictor/Teacher to teach us God’s Will.

If God created all things, then he is Father to all things; of all His creatures, only Man can obey God out of love and not fear, just as children learn to obey their parents out of love. Christians obey God knowing that even if they sin against Him, He will always forgive the penitent and welcome them home.

Forgive me if I prefer a loving Father to a remote, aloof, vengeful deity.
 
I think the better term here is “aspect”, not “form”. God appears to Man in the three Aspects that satisfy Man’s needs: as the Father/King for Man to serve and worship; as the Son/Savior to save Man from sin; and as the Spirit/Convictor/Teacher to teach us God’s Will… . …
RC, using “aspect” implies that there could be more than three and that these “aspects” simply are manifestations of a singularity that appears in various forms, rather like pantheism. That would be the heresy of Modalism (aka “Sabellianism”).

“Persons”, otoh, is specifically used as it denotes the individuality of Each (the Father is not the Son, the Father is not the Son, the Holy Spirit is neither the Father nor the Son) in the Unity of the One God.

catholic.com/library/God_in_Three_Persons.asp
 
Allah is a ancient name, believed to be derived from AL-ILAH, which means The God in Arabic.

Allah was the name the pagans gave to their moon-god. When the early Christians went to the middle east to proclaim the gospel, they told the pagans that the moon wasn’t Allah, but rather The Creator is Allah.

So, the early Christians kept the name Allah (perhaps for reasons of assimillation), and applied it to the One True God.

(Muslims also revere the name “Allah” because they believe God gave them this name via the Qur’an and it has become popular because they will always use this name regardless of what language they speak.)
 
I’ve long meditated on that. Water, Ice and Steam are all the same. Different forms. In Islam God is ONE! Absolute ONE! No separate forms.
As StMarkEofE said… You worship a different God. They can’t be one since ours hass three persons in one, something Allah is not. As you said… No separate forms. Agree to disagree?
 
As StMarkEofE said… You worship a different God. They can’t be one since ours hass three persons in one, something Allah is not. As you said… No separate forms. Agree to disagree?
As anyone who reads my posts will know, I am no appologist for Islam but the Jews don’t believe in the Trinity either and I don’t think anyone here would argue that they worship a different God. As much as I would like to believe Muslims worship a different God, Popes JP II and Benedict XVI have said Islam worships the same God that we do. In my mind that settles it unless some Islamic appologist can show me that they don’t.
 
Allah is a ancient name, believed to be derived from AL-ILAH, which means The God in Arabic.

Allah was the name the pagans gave to their moon-god. When the early Christians went to the middle east to proclaim the gospel, they told the pagans that the moon wasn’t Allah, but rather The Creator is Allah.

So, the early Christians kept the name Allah (perhaps for reasons of assimillation), and applied it to the One True God.

(Muslims also revere the name “Allah” because they believe God gave them this name via the Qur’an and it has become popular because they will always use this name regardless of what language they speak.)
Yes, this is where allah came from:

biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm
 
Yes, this is where allah came from:

biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm
Actually Allah is the general name for God.

Secular historians, meanwhile, have postulated that monotheism is the result of an evolution from henotheism, the belief in a supreme deity as well as various lesser divinities. (See Judaism.) The pagan Arabians also used the word “Allāh” in the names of their children; Muhammad’s father, who was born into pagan society, was named “Abdullāh", which translates "servant of Allāh". "Abdullāh” is still used for names of Muslim and non-Muslims (e.g. Christians also used the word, as testified by the Zabad inscription). “Abdullāh” was also the name of the father of Maimon, whose son Moses is the Jewish principal Rabbi commonly known in English as Maimonides. Maimonides himself wrote his works mostly in Arabic on which his name appear as “Mussa bin Maimun ibn Abdullah al-Kurtubi موسى بن ميمون بن عبد الله القرطبي .”

The Hebrew word for deity, El (אל) or Elōah (אלוה, rarely אלה), was used as an Old Testament synonym for Yahweh (יהוה), which is the proper name for God according to the Tanakh. The Aramaic word for God is אלהא Elāhā (Biblical Aramaic) and ܐܠܗܐ Alāhā (Syriac), which comes from the same Proto-Semitic word (*ʾilâh-) as the Arabic and Hebrew terms; Jesus is described in Mark 15:34 as having used the word on the cross, with the ending meaning “my”, when saying, “My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me?” (transliterated in Greek as ἐλωι elō-i). One of the earliest surviving translations of the word into a foreign language is in a Greek translation of the Shahada, from 86-96 AH (705-715 AD), which translates it as ὁ θεος μονος (ho theos monos) [6], literally “the lone god”.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah
 
As anyone who reads my posts will know, I am no appologist for Islam but the Jews don’t believe in the Trinity either and I don’t think anyone here would argue that they worship a different God. As much as I would like to believe Muslims worship a different God, Popes JP II and Benedict XVI have said Islam worships the same God that we do. In my mind that settles it unless some Islamic appologist can show me that they don’t.
I worship Jesus. 🙂
 
The Trinity is not separate “forms”, but Persons. We are monotheists and believe in only one God who exists in three Persons who have the same nature/essence/substance.
This is the definition of a person: dictionary.reference.com/browse/person

You are telling us that God is 3 of these definitions? Once you use the number 3 in anything it is no more one. In Islam one is one. We even go as far to add before it the word ‘absolute’ to give it more emphasis to people who think that one is more than one.
 
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