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Irene72
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Allah (from a catholic perspective)
Was Allah a "moon god " of the pagans?
How did mohammad get that name?
Was Allah a "moon god " of the pagans?
How did mohammad get that name?
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inJESUS
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The name of God in Arabic.
It is a compound word from the article, 'al, and ilah, divinity, and signifies “the god” par excellence. This form of the divine name is in itself a sure proof that ilah was at one time an appellative, common to all the local and tribal gods. Gradually, with the addition of the article, it was restricted to one of them who took precedence of the others; finally, with the triumph of monotheism, He was recognized as the only true God.
In one form or another this Hebrew root occurs in all Semitic languages as a designation of the Divinity; but whether it was originally a proper name, pointing to a primitive monotheism, with subsequent deviation into polytheism and further rehabilitation, or was from the beginning an appellative which became a proper name only when the Semites had reached monotheism is a much debated question. It is certain, however, that before the time of Mohammed, owing to their contact with Jews and Christians, the Arabs were generally monotheists.
that was from New Advent.
It is a compound word from the article, 'al, and ilah, divinity, and signifies “the god” par excellence. This form of the divine name is in itself a sure proof that ilah was at one time an appellative, common to all the local and tribal gods. Gradually, with the addition of the article, it was restricted to one of them who took precedence of the others; finally, with the triumph of monotheism, He was recognized as the only true God.
In one form or another this Hebrew root occurs in all Semitic languages as a designation of the Divinity; but whether it was originally a proper name, pointing to a primitive monotheism, with subsequent deviation into polytheism and further rehabilitation, or was from the beginning an appellative which became a proper name only when the Semites had reached monotheism is a much debated question. It is certain, however, that before the time of Mohammed, owing to their contact with Jews and Christians, the Arabs were generally monotheists.
that was from New Advent.
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mark_a
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I don’t know.
But, the term “Allah” is also used by some of the non-Latin Catholics. Recently, in one predominently Muslim country, there was an attempt to ban Christians from using the term.
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Sister_Amy
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From islamic-awareness.org
Reply To Robert Morey’s Moon-God Allah Myth: A Look At The Archaeological Evidence
According to the Christian missionaries, archaeology proves that Allah was a pagan Arab Moon-god from pre-Islamic times. This ridiculous piece of Christian propaganda is conclusively refuted by examining the archaeological records from the Arabian Peninsula, paying special attention to key archaeological excavations along with the numismatic and epigraphic evidence.
The Word Allah In The Arabic Bible (Refutation of some Christians who say that they believe in a different God )
Allah was known to be the One true God at the time of Muhammad, among the Arabs. Even his father was named Abd-Allah (meaning slave of Allah.) But in addition to believing in Allah, the pagans believed in other gods like idols and that Allah, glorified and exalted be He, had children who were godesses.
It wasn’t a “new” name for God, but the same one which had existed for centuries, and which Christian Arabs use today. Christian Arabs like inJESUS, here, whose etymological analysis is only one theory about the derivation of the name “Allah.” Many scholars do not accept the view that it is a contraction of “al” plus “ilah” but that it is a unique word.
Reply To Robert Morey’s Moon-God Allah Myth: A Look At The Archaeological Evidence
According to the Christian missionaries, archaeology proves that Allah was a pagan Arab Moon-god from pre-Islamic times. This ridiculous piece of Christian propaganda is conclusively refuted by examining the archaeological records from the Arabian Peninsula, paying special attention to key archaeological excavations along with the numismatic and epigraphic evidence.
The Word Allah In The Arabic Bible (Refutation of some Christians who say that they believe in a different God )
Allah was known to be the One true God at the time of Muhammad, among the Arabs. Even his father was named Abd-Allah (meaning slave of Allah.) But in addition to believing in Allah, the pagans believed in other gods like idols and that Allah, glorified and exalted be He, had children who were godesses.
It wasn’t a “new” name for God, but the same one which had existed for centuries, and which Christian Arabs use today. Christian Arabs like inJESUS, here, whose etymological analysis is only one theory about the derivation of the name “Allah.” Many scholars do not accept the view that it is a contraction of “al” plus “ilah” but that it is a unique word.
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Verisimilitude
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Muslims will generate more than one answer so you will have to decide whom you want to believe even among them. At the time when Mohammed conqured Mekka there were reportedly 360 different pagan gods in the Kabba and Mohammed went around it tipping each one over saying there is only one god, allah. Allah was the name of pagan god before Islam associated with the moon and has since been taken as the supreme god they falsely associate with the God of Abraham since Mohammed was not a legitiamte prophet of God and the spirit that revealed things to Mohammed was not an Angel sent by God as Mohammed claims. Mohammed didn;t know who was speaking to him and it was an old blind uncle that said it was the same spirit that spoke to Moses that spoke to Mohammed.
Today, allah has become like rose; a word that means whatever one wants it to mean. It may mean God to some, it may not to others.
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inJESUS
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Aloho is God in syrio-Aramaic. We say Qadishat Aloho ( quddusun Allah) = Holy is God.
In my opinion, Allah is the arabized version of Aloho…aramaic language has this “O” ending of words that are dropped in Arabic. Example “lahmo” in Aramaic (flesh) becomes Lahm in Arabic
In my opinion, Allah is the arabized version of Aloho…aramaic language has this “O” ending of words that are dropped in Arabic. Example “lahmo” in Aramaic (flesh) becomes Lahm in Arabic
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inJESUS
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when we say Holy is God, we pronounce it as such : qudduson- illah…not Allah…hence the prayer is Qudduson** Illah**, Qudduson ilqawi (Holy the Mighty)
to us the word’s pronounciation changes according to the mark preceding it since it starts by a vowel…so we say Qudduson-illah…but InnAllah… Allah is not a proper noun.
am not sure if Muslims stick to this grammatical rule since Allah is believed as a proper noun.
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Eden
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Well, allah was a moon god of the pagan Arabs, which Muhammad would have been raised worshiping. That’s just a fact. If he was using this name with Islam or if it was a corruption of the Hebrew name for God, I don’t know.
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Sister_Amy
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Well Muslims still consider Allah to be a proper noun but they do follow this rule. (At least, the Arabs do, and people who know tajweed…) The laam with the shaddah on it will be “heavy” if “Allah” is preceded by a letter with a fatha or damma, but it will be light if preceded by a kasra.
I.e., Subhanallah has a heavy laam, Bismillah has a light laam.
But only in the word Allah does this rule apply, the making of laam heavy or light. In fact, laam is always light in the Arabic language EXCEPT in the name Allah, unless preceded by a kasra.
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Sister_Amy
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Muhammad, may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, never worshiped a moon god. Please read: islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/moongod.html This claim has been thoroughly debunked.
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Eden
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I find this article convincing:
faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm
The Arab moon-god called “allah” did exist and Muhammad was raised in an Arab pagan family. That’s why Muhammad’s pagan father’s name was Abdullah. Now, we as Catholics believe that Islam worships the true God, but the name allah, I don’t know where Muhammad got it. I believe it’s plausible he borrowed the name from the Arab pagan pantheon.
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Sister_Amy
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Did you read the article I posted? Did you even read the first paragraph? Don’t you owe it to yourself to examine both sides of an issue before coming to a conclusion?
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Eden
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I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on the origins of the name allah. I’m not usually taken by the arguments of Islamic scholars on these kinds of issues, at least since watching this “scholar”:
youtube.com/watch?v=Ixfk4LsKWnw
Meanwhile, the reality:
wikiislam.org/wiki/Neil_Armstrong
This is one of the reasons why I trust Western scholarship over the information coming out of the Islamic world.
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Sister_Amy
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Sorry I can’t watch youtube vids here at work.
I still think you owe it to yourself as an intelligent person to listen to both sides of the story and then make your decision.
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Eden
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I have and I have. This isn’t a new topic to me. In fact, I looked at all of this sometime last year and reached my conclusions, which I’ve already shared with you.Sorry I can’t watch youtube vids here at work.
I still think you owe it to yourself as an intelligent person to listen to both sides of the story and then make your decision.
On the video, the “scholar” perpetuates the myth that Neil Armstrong discovered Islam in outer space. The extended version of the story in Islamic circles, is that Armstrong heard the call to prayer from the moon and converted to Islam. All of which is false. The man also says that Mecca is the center of the earth. This is another laughable example of the kind of “scholarship” I can’t accept.
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Sister_Amy
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Well I didn’t bring up the center of the earth or Neil Armstrong, and neither does that article, which I still think you should read. I’m not even trying to convince you of Islam… just that there’s no moon god in Islam.
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inJESUS
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Eden
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Right. I brought it up as an example of why I have become wary of Muslim scholars. In other words, this is an example of why I give more weight to Western scholarship than to the scholars in the article you provided.Well I didn’t bring up the center of the earth or Neil Armstrong, and neither does that article, which I still think you should read. I’m not even trying to convince you of Islam… just that there’s no moon god in Islam.
And, I don’t believe that allah is a moon god in Islam. I believe it’s possible that Muhammad transferred the name of the moon god in Arab pagan beliefs, the moon god after whom his father Abdullah was named, to the true God. We, as Catholics believe Muslims are worshiping the true God. The origin of the name allah for the true God is what I am referring to.
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Allah is the Arabic equivalent of Hebrew word ‘Eli’ meaning ‘God Almighty’. Its the same word used by Jesus (PBUH) to call God Almighty at the time of his alleged crucifixing. (Remember the phrase ‘Eli Eli lama sabakhtani’? If translated in Arabic it would be ‘Allah Allah lama taraqtani’.)
Muslims prefer to call the Supreme Creator, Allah, instead of using the English word “God”. The Arabic word, “Allah”, is pure and unique in a sense that it can not be played around with (unlike the english word ‘God’).
For example,
Adding an ‘s’ to ‘God’ becomes ‘Gods’, which means more than one God. There is no plural form of Allah in Arabic.
Adding a “dess” to ‘God’ becomes 'Goddess". While in Arabic, there is no word for female-allah.
Similarly, manipulations like ‘Godmother’, ‘Godfather’, or ‘tin-God’ (i.e. fake god) etc can not be done with Arabic word Allah. Its pure in its nature and language rules don’t allow it.
That’s the reason behind that we Muslims prefer to use ‘Allah’ over ‘God’ because unlike the word ‘God’ it can not be played around to give false meanings.
I would like to quote a Chapter 112 from Quran that is a touch-stone of theology. This is the best theological test to verify the claim of someone’s divinity.
**In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. **
1. Say, He is Allah, the ONE and ONLY.
**2. Allah, the Eternal Absolute. **
3. He begets not, neither is He begotten.
4. And there is nothing like Him.
I hope it helps.
Muslims prefer to call the Supreme Creator, Allah, instead of using the English word “God”. The Arabic word, “Allah”, is pure and unique in a sense that it can not be played around with (unlike the english word ‘God’).
For example,
Adding an ‘s’ to ‘God’ becomes ‘Gods’, which means more than one God. There is no plural form of Allah in Arabic.
Adding a “dess” to ‘God’ becomes 'Goddess". While in Arabic, there is no word for female-allah.
Similarly, manipulations like ‘Godmother’, ‘Godfather’, or ‘tin-God’ (i.e. fake god) etc can not be done with Arabic word Allah. Its pure in its nature and language rules don’t allow it.
That’s the reason behind that we Muslims prefer to use ‘Allah’ over ‘God’ because unlike the word ‘God’ it can not be played around to give false meanings.
I would like to quote a Chapter 112 from Quran that is a touch-stone of theology. This is the best theological test to verify the claim of someone’s divinity.
**In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. **
1. Say, He is Allah, the ONE and ONLY.
**2. Allah, the Eternal Absolute. **
3. He begets not, neither is He begotten.
4. And there is nothing like Him.
I hope it helps.
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Eden
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An interesting statement from an Arabic-speaking Christian:
"Even in Arabic there is a subtle difference between the Alla of Christians and Jews and the allah of the Muslims, although to a person not familiar with the nuances of Semitic language this may be missed.
Allah in the Quranic pronunciation is a proper name which originally belonged to the Sumerian/Babylonian moon god. Arabic speaking Christians and Jews usually say Al-illah which means “the God” and has the same root as Eli, Eloi, Elohim, or Eloheynu in Hebrew.
In the Trisagion during the Christian liturgy we sing “Quduson illah” which means “Holy God”. Even when a Christian or Jew says “God Willing” it is Inshellah (soft “e” as in eh) as opposed to the Muslim form of Inshallah with an asperated “ah” sound. As I said, most non-Semites will miss this very subtle difference.
It’s like the word “god” in English. This can mean the Creator or it can mean Zeus, Wotan or any other diety. But if we say “the God” (Al-illah) we know we are talking about or to the True God of the Universe."
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/017774.php
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