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ralphinal
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So historically, Allah predates the other terms inJesus put up there?
I do not mean that ALLAH himself does not predate, but he use of the term…
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I do not mean that ALLAH himself does not predate, but he use of the term…
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Sister_Amy
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Sorry Ralph, let me try that post again:
There are some Muslims who do believe that the name “Allah” predates the other terms. Some who even believe Adam spoke Arabic. I have never seen any proof of that–so don’t quote me on it. I’m not even sure if it’s a valid scholarly opinion, or just something kind of “out there” that people made up.
No, it doesn’t show that the word can be corrupted, or even that it has been.Possible, but does that not show that the word can be corrupted?
No, it’s not better to say that.Isn’t it better to say that the language evolved to yeild the perfect word for God?
There are some Muslims who do believe that the name “Allah” predates the other terms. Some who even believe Adam spoke Arabic. I have never seen any proof of that–so don’t quote me on it. I’m not even sure if it’s a valid scholarly opinion, or just something kind of “out there” that people made up.
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ralphinal
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Thanks. That actually does help.Sorry Ralph, let me try that post again:
No, it doesn’t show that the word can be corrupted, or even that it has been.
No, it’s not better to say that.
There are some Muslims who do believe that the name “Allah” predates the other terms. Some who even believe Adam spoke Arabic. I have never seen any proof of that–so don’t quote me on it. I’m not even sure if it’s a valid scholarly opinion, or just something kind of “out there” that people made up.
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Charlie_Zeaiter
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I always thought “Allah” was used as a name. Even the first tenet - “There is no God but Allah…” - makes more sense when “Allah” is used as a name.… *Allah *is not a ‘stolen’ name (or word, as it is not a name). It has the same etymological roots as the Hebrew *Elohim *and the Aramaic Alaha, it’s the Semitic word for the One God which all Semitic peoples use.
In biblical times, God revealed his name to tell us what he is rather than who he is. For example, some biblical names include “Yahweh” which means “I am” which suggests "to be " or “to exist”. Other names were also revealed, such as “Adonai” which suggests “ownership”, and “El Shaddai” which means “almighty”. And there is also “Elohim”…
So, I may agree with you that “Allah” means “One God”, but I’m not sure if thats what 'Elohim" means. I thought “Elohim” means “to keep convenant”. (I thought “Elohim” is a plural so that fits in well with our doctrine of the Trinity.)
More info…
aboundingjoy.com/Bible%20studies/Names%20Of%20God.htm
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Kadaveri
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The words used in the shahada are ‘no ilah but allah’, *ilah *is sometimes translated as god (never God), but the word more accurately means anything that is worshipped. So you can think of the shahada as ‘There is nothing worthy of worship but the One God’ if you want, as that’s the meaning behind it.
Although there are some who think of ‘Allah’ as a name like John or Peter, these people are mistaken. The etymological evidence all points to it being a proper noun referring to the sole Supreme Being, and a careful reading of the Qur’an shows that this is the only logical meaning being used.
HERE’s an article (or rather a collection of articles) on the different views of where the word Allah comes from, but all agree that it means ‘God’, and is not the name of a god.
Although there are some who think of ‘Allah’ as a name like John or Peter, these people are mistaken. The etymological evidence all points to it being a proper noun referring to the sole Supreme Being, and a careful reading of the Qur’an shows that this is the only logical meaning being used.
HERE’s an article (or rather a collection of articles) on the different views of where the word Allah comes from, but all agree that it means ‘God’, and is not the name of a god.
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Charlie_Zeaiter
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I’ve always know “ilah” to mean “God”, not " anything that is worshipped". That’s the first time I’ve ever heard that argument. Then again, I’m no expert on Arabic. I’d bet it could probably fill another discussion or debate.The words used in the shahada are ‘no ilah but allah’, *ilah *is sometimes translated as god (never God), but the word more accurately means anything that is worshipped…
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ralphinal
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Slightly related quesiton. If God used Yahweh and the other names to the Jews, why did he not relveal the same names to Muhammed? I know that there is some overlap in the 99 Names, but why is the first one out of the gate not the same in both cases?
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inJESUS
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Although there are some who think of ‘Allah’ as a name like John or Peter, these people are mistaken.
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Charlie_Zeaiter
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- but do Arab Christians believe that “Allah” was a name revealed to them by God? Or do Arab Christians believe it to be a name adapted from the pagans?
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Henning
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אלה “H-L-A” pronounced Ellah/Allah ? ~17x in book of Daniel
אלה שמיא “Ellah/Allah shemia” (Dan2:18), God of heaven
אלה שמיא “Ellah/Allah shemia” (Dan2:18), God of heaven
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planten
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As a non Catholic to the Catholics, I found some nice christian families in Europe (France, Germany, England) who were extremely good people. Perhaps they were (some of them) Non Catholics ( Meaning Protestants). I could not find out what faith they belonged. But they were very good examples of the humane people. Excellent. May God bless them all.
Allah is the prsonal name of God in Islam. I could not understand what was meant by the above good post. But thanks anyway.
Allah is the prsonal name of God in Islam. I could not understand what was meant by the above good post. But thanks anyway.
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planten
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**Please understand that Jehova is not much seen by me in the bible NT. I only see there, the word God or the word father. So do not go much after Jehova. I feel that even Lord Jesus did not teach much about Jehova.Slightly related quesiton. If God used Yahweh and the other names to the Jews, why did he not relveal the same names to Muhammed? I know that there is some overlap in the 99 Names, but why is the first one out of the gate not the same in both cases?
Already the Jehovas witnesses have built a big tower over it.
There are ninety nine names of Allah. They are the attributes of Allah. Perhaps they could also be called his names too. I am not sure about it. The Omni potent, the Omni present, The all Hearing etc are the attributes of Allah.**
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Sam_777
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Some websites indicate that in the Hebrew dictionary “alah” means “curse”, can some of our fellow Jews confirm that?
Source:
levendwater.org/bible_interlinear/hebrew/423.htm
Source:
levendwater.org/bible_interlinear/hebrew/423.htm
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Holly3278
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Quite simply the answer to your question is no. Allah was not a “moon god” of the pagans. He is the one true God of which there is no other and there is no partner to Allah.Allah (from a catholic perspective)
Was Allah a "moon god " of the pagans?
How did mohammad get that name?
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Charlie_Zeaiter
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The “moon god” of the pagans was indeed known as “Allah”. Whether the name “Allah” - in the Arab Christian and Islamic context - is just a co-incidence or not remains an open debate.Quite simply the answer to your question is no. Allah was not a “moon god” of the pagans…
More info…
biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm
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ralphinal
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Jehova is a Greek form of Yahweh, which is the way God refered to Himself to Moses. It was not the actual term used by God, so it is ok if it is not in the Scriptures. Yahwey, however, means “Iam who Am” or just “I am.” DOes Allah call himself that in the Quran?**Please understand that Jehova is not much seen by me in the bible NT. I only see there, the word God or the word father. So do not go much after Jehova. I feel that even Lord Jesus did not teach much about Jehova.
Already the Jehovas witnesses have built a big tower over it.
There are ninety nine names of Allah. They are the attributes of Allah. Perhaps they could also be called his names too. I am not sure about it. The Omni potent, the Omni present, The all Hearing etc are the attributes of Allah.**
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planten
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Whatever form it may have, the Greek or the other, I do not see any Jehova at important times in bible. It seems to be some mistake to indulge into the name of God and then blame The prophet Muhammad for it.Jehova is a Greek form of Yahweh, which is the way God refered to Himself to Moses. It was not the actual term used by God, so it is ok if it is not in the Scriptures. Yahwey, however, means “Iam who Am” or just “I am.” DOes Allah call himself that in the Quran?
Can any church man tell me when Jesus was praying to his god in the garden before his arrest, he was praying to Jehova? Did he mention the name of Jehova then? I hope not.
Also when he was up on the cross and in great distress, he called out “Eli, Eli , lama sabaqatani?” He did not call Jehova but he called Eli, Eli. Why? Did he forget the name of God at that time? Please tell.
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ralphinal
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Yahweh was the term God chose to explain himself to Moses. It is not a name like Muhammed or Ralph. It is more a nature of God. He was, is, and shall be forever without changing. It shows that he has always and will always exist. No one other than God can claim that description.Whatever form it may have, the Greek or the other, I do not see any Jehova at important times in bible. It seems to be some mistake to indulge into the name of God and then blame The prophet Muhammad for it.
Can any church man tell me when Jesus was praying to his god in the garden before his arrest, he was praying to Jehova? Did he mention the name of Jehova then? I hope not.
Also when he was up on the cross and in great distress, he called out “Eli, Eli , lama sabaqatani?” He did not call Jehova but he called Eli, Eli. Why? Did he forget the name of God at that time? Please tell.
The verse that you quoted has two important parts. First, it is the beginning of the Psalm of David that predicts the crucifixion. By proclaiming it, Jesus is calling attention to it. Second, the term Eli means specifically, “My God.” Not God in general, but a specific term for him
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R_not
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Here is a very good writeup of Who is allah:
frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=73DA6766-C606-407A-8869-4862BA21B7D5
Although I agree more with this from a fellow blogger on a different website - he has many valid points of the allah of the koran:
the identity of the Allah, who had revealed its contents to Muhammad. This question arose in my mind because I found Him describing Himself as I, He, Me and We in the Quran.
My wonderment came to an end when I stumbled on a verse in Sura Az-Zumar, or the Crowds while writing my commentary or Tafsir of the Quran. From the contents of the verse, I concluded that the Muslims’ Allah is none but Muhammad himself.
39: Sura Az-Zumar, or the Crowds
Az-Zumar, “The Crowds” or “The Troops” takes its name from a “peculiar word” that occurs in verse 71, and again, in verse 73. It is a Meccan Sura, but some authorities think verses 53 and 54 were revealed in Medina. The entire Sura consists of 75 verses.
As we know, the Quraish polytheists believed in Allah, whose symbol they preserved in Ka’aba in the form of a statue. They believed that it was Allah who created the heavens and earth and subdued the sun and the moon.[4] Because they thought He was beyond their reach, they needed the help of some other deities to bring Him nearer to them. That is why they prayed to al-Lat, al-Manat and al-Uzza - supposedly His daughters - to intervene on their behalf and bring Him nearer to them.
The Quraish polytheists’ attempt to reach their deity was not, in actuality, any different from the basic, but unpronounced, concept of Islam. Muslims need to follow in toto what Muhammad has said in the Quran to save themselves from the difficulties of their earthly lives. It is only by following his directives, as he gave them through the Quran, will they be able to avoid the Fire of Hell in the world hereafter.
In other words, Muslims can earn the pleasure of Allah, if He is some one other than Muhammad himself, by following Muhammad’s words and deeds. This they have inferred from the Quran. This inference has led them to make Muhammad synonymous with Allah. That is why they repeat umpteen times in their lives that he is Allah’s Prophet in order for them to remain Muslims. That is why they invoke his name, along with Allah’s, in most of their prayers. That is why they pay more respects to him than to Allah. That is why they flock to his grave in Medina to earn his blessings.
Muhammad did not appreciate what the Pagans had told him about they were using to bring Allah nearer to them. Instead, he threatened to judge them harshly for differing with him on how to achieve Allah’s nearness.
cont’d here: mukto-mona.com/Articles/asghar/real_allah211106.htm
frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=73DA6766-C606-407A-8869-4862BA21B7D5
Although I agree more with this from a fellow blogger on a different website - he has many valid points of the allah of the koran:
the identity of the Allah, who had revealed its contents to Muhammad. This question arose in my mind because I found Him describing Himself as I, He, Me and We in the Quran.
My wonderment came to an end when I stumbled on a verse in Sura Az-Zumar, or the Crowds while writing my commentary or Tafsir of the Quran. From the contents of the verse, I concluded that the Muslims’ Allah is none but Muhammad himself.
39: Sura Az-Zumar, or the Crowds
Az-Zumar, “The Crowds” or “The Troops” takes its name from a “peculiar word” that occurs in verse 71, and again, in verse 73. It is a Meccan Sura, but some authorities think verses 53 and 54 were revealed in Medina. The entire Sura consists of 75 verses.
As we know, the Quraish polytheists believed in Allah, whose symbol they preserved in Ka’aba in the form of a statue. They believed that it was Allah who created the heavens and earth and subdued the sun and the moon.[4] Because they thought He was beyond their reach, they needed the help of some other deities to bring Him nearer to them. That is why they prayed to al-Lat, al-Manat and al-Uzza - supposedly His daughters - to intervene on their behalf and bring Him nearer to them.
The Quraish polytheists’ attempt to reach their deity was not, in actuality, any different from the basic, but unpronounced, concept of Islam. Muslims need to follow in toto what Muhammad has said in the Quran to save themselves from the difficulties of their earthly lives. It is only by following his directives, as he gave them through the Quran, will they be able to avoid the Fire of Hell in the world hereafter.
In other words, Muslims can earn the pleasure of Allah, if He is some one other than Muhammad himself, by following Muhammad’s words and deeds. This they have inferred from the Quran. This inference has led them to make Muhammad synonymous with Allah. That is why they repeat umpteen times in their lives that he is Allah’s Prophet in order for them to remain Muslims. That is why they invoke his name, along with Allah’s, in most of their prayers. That is why they pay more respects to him than to Allah. That is why they flock to his grave in Medina to earn his blessings.
Muhammad did not appreciate what the Pagans had told him about they were using to bring Allah nearer to them. Instead, he threatened to judge them harshly for differing with him on how to achieve Allah’s nearness.
cont’d here: mukto-mona.com/Articles/asghar/real_allah211106.htm
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