Allah

[Sister_Amy]

inJESUS–I’m sorry but I don’t think we are understanding each other. We’re not using the same terminologies, and I don’t even know the Arabic words to describe what I’m saying in English, I only know how I’ve been taught in English. Without being able to hear each other I don’t think we’ll be able to understand… sorry.

 

[Henning]

אלה

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

Well I didn’t bring up the center of the earth or Neil Armstrong, and neither does that article, which I still think you should read. I’m not even trying to convince you of Islam… just that there’s no moon god in Islam.

Why is there almost always a moon on top of Islamic mosques? How is the moon significant in Islamic culture?

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

Personally, I think Arabic Christians know that they stole the name “Allah” from the Arabic pagans. But Christians don’t mind, because they did this to assimilate with the pagans.

But I think Muslims unknowingly stole the name from the pagans too. The Muslims were probably using the name “Allah” because the Christians were using that name. Now the Muslims claim that the Qur’an is the unaltered word of God, and the the Qur’an mentions that God’s name is Allah.

Wow! Imagine that! Those pagans were ahead of their time. Perhaps those pagans were prophets in disguise.

I find it strange that the Qur’an says that Jesus didn’t die on the cross (see Qur’an 4:157), but it couldn’t figure out that “Allah” was a stolen name.

 

[Kadaveri]

The crescent moon doesn’t have any actual significance in Islam. It was the emblem of Constantinople, and was later adopted by the Ottomans when they conquered the city in the 15th Century and later made their national symbol. That’s where it comes from.

As for ‘Allah’ being a ‘moon god’, this is not the conclusion of Western scholarship, rather it is a claim made by certain Evangelical Protestants who seem obsessed with ‘proving’ that everyone who doesn’t agree with them is worshipping some false god, it has as much credibility in Western scholarship as their other claim that the Catholic Church was founded by Semiraris worshippers.

*Allah *is not a ‘stolen’ name (or word, as it is not a name). It has the same etymological roots as the Hebrew *Elohim *and the Aramaic Alaha, it’s the Semitic word for the One God which all Semitic peoples use.

 

[wutru]

Approaching “Allah” from a linguistic point of view isn’t really important.

But, praying to the Islamic “Allah” is not the same as the Christian “Allah”. Both are very very different theologically.

 

[Sam_777]

Allah is the Arabic equivalent of Hebrew word ‘Eli’ meaning ‘God Almighty’. Its the same word used by Jesus (PBUH) to call God Almighty at the time of his alleged crucifixing. (Remember the phrase ‘Eli Eli lama sabakhtani’? If translated in Arabic it would be ‘Allah Allah lama taraqtani’.)

FYI:

Jesus was quoting from (Psalm 22:1-18) in the OT:

"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, so far from the words of my groaning? O my God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer, by night, and am not silent. Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One; you are the praise of Israel. In you our fathers put their trust; they trusted and you delivered them. They cried to you and were saved; in you they trusted and were not disappointed. But I am a worm and not a man, scorned by men and despised by the people.All who see me mock me; they hurl insults, shaking their heads: “He trusts in the LORD; let the LORD rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him.” Yet you brought me out of the womb; you made me trust in you even at my mother’s breast. From birth I was cast upon you; from my mother’s womb you have been my God.Do not be far from me, for trouble is near and there is no one to help.Many bulls surround me; strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.Roaring lions tearing their prey open their mouths wide against me. I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint. My heart has turned to wax; it has melted away within me. My strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth; you lay me ** in the dust of death. Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced [c] my hands and my feet. I can count all my bones; people stare and gloat over me.They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing.**"

 

[Sam_777]

But only in the word Allah does this rule apply, the making of laam heavy or light. In fact, laam is always light in the Arabic language EXCEPT in the name Allah, unless preceded by a kasra.

Sister Amy, do you know Arabic (reading, writing, speaking)?

 

[Sam_777]

The name of Muhammad’s father was “Abd-Allah”, and his grandfather name was “Abd-Almuttalib”, which mean “slave of Allah” & “slave of Almuttalib” respectively, both men were before Muhammed & Islam, and both were living near the 360 idols at Kaaba in Mecca, that means the name “Allah” was there BEFORE Islam, so if Almuttalib was one of the 360 idols, then logically Allah should be also similar, since both men from the same family.

Can we Muslims ask ourselves why we have taken the crescent moon as a symbol in all our Mosques and some of our national flags, even we Muslims are using the lunar calendar in Saudi Arabia as a standard calendar, in addition that all Islamic countries are fasting our holy month (Ramadan) based on it!

Could it be that Satan is making the Moon his home and he is watching us from there (why not since we humans have already landed on the Moon, so Satan can too since he is a fallen angel), link that to (Isaiah 14:12-14):
“How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.”

More details in this link:
faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm

 

[inJESUS]

Chicken or the egg first?

The word Allah was known before Muhammad was born. Whether is is an arabization of Christian Arabs of semitic words, whether pagans adopted it from Christians to one of their gods, whether pagans arabised it and Christians adopted it , the point is that the word was known before Muhammad and is not a proper noun to non-Muslims and the word’s pronounciation can change at the begining and end but to Muslims it is a proper name like Ali or Uthman.

 

[ralphinal]

What is the Arab word for diety? For goddess? For gods? For demi-god?

 

[inJESUS]

What is the Arab word for diety?

ilaah

For goddess?

 

[ralphinal]

ilaah

 

[Sister_Amy]

Actually it is not “ALilaah” because the “i” is actually a letter called a hamza–a letter which does not exist in the word Allah. So you remove the letter hamza, the first letter in ilaah, and then you put a shaddah (connection+hold) on the “l” (laam) in ilaah. So you get like AL -LLAH.

 

[ralphinal]

Sister Amy,
Are you somewaht disputing the post that says that the word Allah cannot be turned into other words, such as for “goddess?”

It seems that since the root is the same, that is a false argument that some make about it.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Sister Amy,
Are you somewaht disputing the post that says that the word Allah cannot be turned into other words, such as for “goddess?”

It seems that since the root is the same, that is a false argument that some make about it.

There is a scholar I know who says that making Allah out of al-ilaah is like making Arizona out of Arid Zone. It kind of makes sense but just isn’t accurate.

The word Allah is by nature singular, cannot be made plural, cannot be made feminine, and cannot be made masculine.

The word ilaah can be made all of those things.

I’m not really disputing with inJESUS, I think we’re saying mostly the same thing in different words. To Muslims, Allah is a proper name. It can’t be feminine, masculine or plural.

 

[ralphinal]

There is a scholar I know who says that making Allah out of al-ilaah is like making Arizona out of Arid Zone. It kind of makes sense but just isn’t accurate.

The word Allah is by nature singular, cannot be made plural, cannot be made feminine, and cannot be made masculine.

The word ilaah can be made all of those things.

I’m not really disputing with inJESUS, I think we’re saying mostly the same thing in different words. To Muslims, Allah is a proper name. It can’t be feminine, masculine or plural.

I know that we are discussing etemology in a language that neither of us speak as our native tongue. The root is clearly the same, even if it is a name versus a common word.

I can say that Ralph is totally unique in that it cannot be made feminin (Ralphette? ralphine? Ralphess?), but that only proves the limits of grammer on a name.

 

[Sister_Amy]

I know that we are discussing etemology in a language that neither of us speak as our native tongue. The root is clearly the same, even if it is a name versus a common word.

I can say that Ralph is totally unique in that it cannot be made feminin (Ralphette? ralphine? Ralphess?), but that only proves the limits of grammer on a name.

Try considering the possibility that the word “ilaah” is derived from the name “Allah” instead of the reverse, if you insist upon a connection.

 

[ralphinal]

Try considering the possibility that the word “ilaah” is derived from the name “Allah” instead of the reverse, if you insist upon a connection.

Possible, but does that not show that the word can be corrupted? Isn’t it better to say that the language evolved to yeild the perfect word for God?

Besides, something tells me that historically that is not the case.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Possible, but does that not show that the word can be corrupted? Isn’t it better to say that the language evolved to yeild the perfect word for God?

Besides, something tells me that historically that is not the case.

Uh… no. And no.