Alleged Desecration of Quran

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Lumen Gentium:
You can’t expect christians to act like muslims when our bible and prayerbooks are burned or trashed. Why - you want us to act like them? You expect muslims to act like christians when their koran is desecrated, but muslims are not christians and that’s why they are different from us. It’s like you expect a devil to act like a saint and a saint to act like a devil. Oh yes, you can convert a devil to be a saint. But you can’t make a devil a saint by being another devil. This is not excusing, tolerating, sympathizing or call it what you would like to. This is presenting to you the facet of life in this world. That evil has to co-exist with goodness. But you have other options beside choosing between evil and goodness only.

OK, since you want me to fight a war against the terrorists, we might as well go and chase the terrorists where they are. And…Iraq. Bin Laden, who you said you are keeping us safe from, is nowhere in Iraq. Why did you go to Iraq? What have you done to Iraq? You sowed the seeds of terror that is why everyday we continue to hear of murders, terrorism and insurgencies in Iraq. What about the weapons of mass destructions, have you found them in Iraq yet?

Sorry to tell you, you can’t kick me out of your house as a houseguest because I’m not your houseguest. I’m part of the family members living in the same house you live, if you know what I mean. I am no foreigner in your country, my friend.
I bet your ancestors came to this great country of ours as a foreigner or if not, then I suppose you are a native American.
Yes, I enjoy here you bet. I enjoy the freedom. The freedom to do what is right.

Like JP2, I’d just have to say NO to war. War is a defeat for humanity.

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No one is expecting Muslims to act like Christians; we’re expecting Muslims to act like Muslims, not like terrorists.

“You have sowed the seeds of terror”

Did you seriously just say that? Are Americans the ones who are walking into cafes with bombs strapped onto them and killing twenty people? Are Americans the ones crashing airplanes into buildings and killing 5,000 people? Are Americans bombing shopping centers and cars in Belfast? Are Americans desecrating churches in Bethlehem or getting on a bus with a bomb and killing people? Are Americans bombing trains in Spain? No. Terrorists are doing these things. And terrorists will continue to do these things until one of two things happens: they achieve their goals or they die. There is no other way that it will ever end, and I’ve already explained what the chain reaction of giving in would be.
Go ahead and pray for it to end–I do the same. But realize that these terrorists are praying for their goals as well…only God isn’t the one listening if you know what I mean.
By saying “Don’t fight these evil people” (many of whom I guarentee are in the service of Satan, whether they know it or not) you are saying “Let their evil prevail and do nothing to stop it.” That, my friend, is acceptance. As long as we should not fight terrorists who do evil, why bother to fight crime at home? Why fight to stop drug dealers and cartels (cartels are basically terrorists)? Why bother to have a police force? They have to use violence quite often to subdue criminals, many of whom are evildoers.

WMD- Weapons inspectors found empty factories and shells and other evidence of weapons in Iraq. There are also satellite photos showing convoys of large covered trucks moving towards the Saudi border just prior to UN inspections. What do you think was in those large covered trucks?
And as to the freedom you enjoy so much…you do realize how it was attained, don’t you? That’s right, through war.
 
Hi all!

This was in Friday’s Wall Street Journal:
COMMENTARY

Hypocrisy Most Holy

By ALI AL-AHMED

May 20, 2005

With the revelation that a copy of the Quran may have been desecrated by U.S. military personnel at Guantanamo Bay, Muslims and their governments – including that of Saudi Arabia – reacted angrily. This anger would have been understandable if the U.S. government’s adopted policy was to desecrate our Quran. But even before the Newsweek report was discredited, that was never part of the allegations.

As a Muslim, I am able to purchase copies of the Quran in any bookstore in any American city, and study its contents in countless American universities. American museums spend millions to exhibit and celebrate Muslim arts and heritage. On the other hand, my Christian and other non-Muslim brothers and sisters in Saudi Arabia – where I come from – are not even allowed to own a copy of their holy books. Indeed, the Saudi government desecrates and burns Bibles that its security forces confiscate at immigration points into the kingdom or during raids on Christian expatriates worshiping privately.

Soon after Newsweek published an account, later retracted, of an American soldier flushing a copy of the Quran down the toilet, the Saudi government voiced its strenuous disapproval. More specifically, the Saudi Embassy in Washington expressed “great concern” and urged the U.S. to “conduct a quick investigation.”

Although considered as holy in Islam and mentioned in the Quran dozens of times, the Bible is banned in Saudi Arabia. This would seem curious to most people because of the fact that to most Muslims, the Bible is a holy book. But when it comes to Saudi Arabia we are not talking about most Muslims, but a tiny minority of hard-liners who constitute the Wahhabi Sect.

The Bible in Saudi Arabia may get a person killed, arrested, or deported. In September 1993, Sadeq Mallallah, 23, was beheaded in Qateef on a charge of apostasy for owning a Bible. The State Department’s annual human rights reports detail the arrest and deportation of many Christian worshipers every year. Just days before Crown Prince Abdullah met President Bush last month, two Christian gatherings were stormed in Riyadh. Bibles and crosses were confiscated, and will be incinerated. (The Saudi government does not even spare the Quran from desecration. On Oct. 14, 2004, dozens of Saudi men and women carried copies of the Quran as they protested in support of reformers in the capital, Riyadh. Although they carried the Qurans in part to protect themselves from assault by police, they were charged by hundreds of riot police, who stepped on the books with their shoes, according to one of the protesters.)

As Muslims, we have not been as generous as our Christian and Jewish counterparts in respecting others’ holy books and religious symbols. Saudi Arabia bans the importation or the display of crosses, Stars of David or any other religious symbols not approved by the Wahhabi establishment. TV programs that show Christian clergymen, crosses or Stars of David are censored.

The desecration of religious texts and symbols and intolerance of varying religious viewpoints and beliefs have been issues of some controversy inside Saudi Arabia. Ruled by a Wahhabi theocracy, the ruling elite of Saudi Arabia have made it difficult for Christians, Jews, Hindus and others, as well as dissenting sects of Islam, to visibly coexist inside the kingdom.

Another way in which religious and cultural issues are becoming more divisive is the Saudi treatment of Americans who are living in that country: Around 30,000 live and work in various parts of Saudi Arabia. These people are not allowed to celebrate their religious or even secular holidays. These include Christmas and Easter, but also Thanksgiving. All other Gulf states allow non-Islamic holidays to be celebrated.

The Saudi Embassy and other Saudi organizations in Washington have distributed hundreds of thousands of Qurans and many more Muslim books, some that have libeled Christians, Jews and others as pigs and monkeys. In Saudi school curricula, Jews and Christians are considered deviants and eternal enemies. By contrast, Muslim communities in the West are the first to admit that Western countries – especially the U.S. – provide Muslims the strongest freedoms and protections that allow Islam to thrive in the West. Meanwhile Christianity and Judaism, both indigenous to the Middle East, are maligned through systematic hostility by Middle Eastern governments and their religious apparatuses.

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When i first read this passage,i thought,they are barbaric,a christian is being harrased in a christian country…and i stand by it when i say that they have totally no right to make somome feel like scum for believing in what they choose to…:mad:
 
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