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[otjm]

No priest when concelebrating ever refers to himself as an altar boy even though he may not be the main celebrant. Give it a rest.

Excuse me - I don’t seem to speak the language of the EF - but priests doen’t concelebrate in the EF.

 

[otjm]

Now the priest who you say you definitively don’t know is a “poor” priest. Where does that come from?

Some of us have enough experience and knowledge of the lives of priests to know and understand how often they are the subject, often face-to-face, of those who criticize each and every decision they make. The word “poor” is used as a term of sympathy. We have seen how they live in a fishbowl of existence, with everyone just waiting to rate their next decision.

Having read jkirks’ psots for some time, I would suspect that just might be the context in which he used the word “poor”.

In between posts - I looked up the vocation rate for your diocese and see that I was correct: “…VOCATION-POOR DIOCESES
The nation’s dioceses with the lowest ratio of seminarians to Catholics (starting with the bottom-ranked diocese) are Honolulu, Hawaii; San Diego, California; El Paso, Texas; Rockville Centre, New York; Hartford, Connecticut; Santa Rosa, California; Las Vegas, Nevada; Paterson, New Jersey; San Bernardino, California; Dallas, Texas; Brooklyn, New York; and Rochester, New York.”
So, why am I not surprised! And all I made my prediction on was your limited explication revealing bits of yourself and your parish/diocese.
(That’s from a 2005 report from Catholic World Report - easy for anyone to google).

I fail to see what this has to do with anything which jkirk ahs posted about. Perhaps it is a bit of judgementalism that there could be no one in Nevada who seeks holiness? It certainly smacks of that.

 

[ElizabethPH]

Good thing the Cure of Ars didn’t take a vote of the laity regarding how often he should be in the confessional - even though if he used the same thought pattern as your “former pastoral administrator” (whatever that is) had the laity of Ars would have voted that sacrament right out of town. The Cure acted as a shepherd - not a poll taker. Though initially no one went to confession (hence, he should have cancelled it using your thinking) he LED his sheep. In the end, people came from all over to go to confession to him. And, of course, in the end he was declared a Saint. That’s what a pastor is. So, please spare me the tales of the modern-day “multi-tasking” administrators who wear “one of their hats” as pastors and who somehow don’t find time to promote the use of the sacraments.
And I would be willing to bet (without even checking) that your diocese has a poor rate of vocations. Why? Because these things go hand in hand.
No priest when concelebrating ever refers to himself as an altar boy even though he may not be the main celebrant. Give it a rest.

Hi 30miller!

I certainly don’t want to get in a fist t cuffs with you!! I don’t know if you were being facetious when you said "“former pastoral administrator” (whatever that is) and you really actually know what it means. But I just want to say that in my diocese we have no bishop. Don’t know when we will. Our parish was assign a pastoral administrator upon the reassignment of our former Pastor. The reason the new Pastor is called a Pastoral Administrator is because we have no bishop to officially assign a Pastor. I know my understanding is simple and my explanation is far from brilliant; but there you go. And more proof to me why the TLM will be slow to come as the shortage of vocations proove to be taxing on priests and bishops.

 

[30miller]

some have decided, without further ado, that the priest is intransigent, totally unconcerned with their desires, out to thwart the wishes of the Pope; the only thing we haven’t really thrown in is heretic.

Over one comment.

What a hoot.

Pretty strong words there, hooty. Try actually citing actual posted words to substantiate them. Of course, you won’t be able to. What you “read” and summarily dismiss in your totally slanderous statement above is most certainly not what was “posted”.
(I better spell it out for you, as you seem to need help there: (1) INTRANSIGENT, (2) TOTALLY unconcerned with their desires, and (3)OUT TO THWART the wishes of the Pope - please attach your citations directly to your charges. Thank you).

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

You are probably, like most others (except liturgists, apparently) hungry for reverence and transcendence. These have been markedly lacking in the celebration of NO for a long time, worse in some places than others (I’m lucky, I normally only see reverent Masses ruined by music that is, at least, banal). Make no mistake, the EF has reverence and transcendence in SPADES. That does not mean, however, that the OF cannot have the same (the EF can be offered haphazardly and casually, as well). That’s what we should be working and praying toward, that the OF will be allowed to show forth it’s own dignity and transcendence.

All I know is that I liked it and would love to attend one for real.

My favorite Masses to watch are the ones from the EWTN chapel. I would like to go there for real one day too!

 

[30miller]

Hi 30miller!

I certainly don’t want to get in a fist t cuffs with you!! I don’t know if you were being facetious when you said "“former pastoral administrator” (whatever that is) and you really actually know what it means. But I just want to say that in my diocese we have no bishop. Don’t know when we will. Our parish was assign a pastoral administrator upon the reassignment of our former Pastor. The reason the new Pastor is called a Pastoral Administrator is because we have no bishop to officially assign a Pastor. I know my understanding is simple and my explanation is far from brilliant; but there you go. And more proof to me why the TLM will be slow to come as the shortage of vocations proove to be taxing on priests and bishops.

I was not being facetious. Thank you for your explanation. We haven’t had that issue yet in my area so I was not familiar with it. And I totally agree with your second point that the TLM will be slow to come. Regarding your comment on the shortage of vocations - I hope The Latin Mass magazine or Catholic World Report magazine or the Wanderer newspaper or some other such reliable source does a report which correlates the dioceses that are truly welcoming and open to the TLM and that diocese’s vocation rate versus those that are not (e.g. many dioceses in Florida, apparently) and their vocation rates. I have no doubt that it will show “welcoming diocese = high vocations rate” and vice-versa. It’s no “accident”, for example, that Bishop Bruskewicz’s diocese is at the top of the vocations charts. Or to use a similar correlation - it’s no “accident” that Mother Angelica’s monastery is overflowing.

 

[30miller]

Some of us have enough experience and knowledge of the lives of priests to know and understand…The word “poor” is used as a term of sympathy. We have seen how they live in a fishbowl of existence, with everyone just waiting to rate their next decision.

Having read jkirks’ psots for some time, I would suspect that just might be the context in which he used the word “poor”.

Thank you, otjm. You must be an oracle or something like ancient Delphi was in Greece. I now know where to ask when I want “…some of us with enough experience and knowledge of the lives of priests to know and understand…” to expound with their great insights.
Of course, one has to wonder why you didn’t use your great powers to look in to their “fishbowl of existence” and point out and help address the priest abuse crisis before the Boston Herald took the time to look into that fishbowl and point it out. (Point being, for your edification, priests are not in so much of a fishbowl as you say nor are your soothsaying powers what you present them to be in your post).
And why not let jkirk attempt to respond to a question addressed to him (despite your having read other posts of his and your “powers” to therefore explain for him). Thank you.

 

[Sure]

I was not being facetious. Thank you for your explanation. We haven’t had that issue yet in my area so I was not familiar with it. And I totally agree with your second point that the TLM will be slow to come. Regarding your comment on the shortage of vocations - I hope The Latin Mass magazine or Catholic World Report magazine or the Wanderer newspaper or some other such reliable source does a report which correlates the dioceses that are truly welcoming and open to the TLM and that diocese’s vocation rate versus those that are not (e.g. many dioceses in Florida, apparently) and their vocation rates. I have no doubt that it will show “welcoming diocese = high vocations rate” and vice-versa. It’s no “accident”, for example, that Bishop Bruskewicz’s diocese is at the top of the vocations charts. Or to use a similar correlation - it’s no “accident” that Mother Angelica’s monastery is overflowing.

Since you brought up vocation statistics as perhaps an indication of orthodoxy, it might interest you to know that the parish that has perhaps the most vocations in the US is Christ the King, a charismatic parish in Ann Arbor, MI. They currently have 15 seminarians and are a parish of only 830 families. It shows that orthodoxy doesn’t have to be found in the TLM, it can be found in the charismatic movement as well.

 

[otjm]

Pretty strong words there, hooty. Try actually citing actual posted words to substantiate them. Of course, you won’t be able to. What you “read” and summarily dismiss in your totally slanderous statement above is most certainly not what was “posted”.
(I better spell it out for you, as you seem to need help there: (1) INTRANSIGENT, (2) TOTALLY unconcerned with their desires, and (3)OUT TO THWART the wishes of the Pope - please attach your citations directly to your charges. Thank you).

I think the operative word I used was “some”. If the shoe fits, wear it. Since you seem to be taking offense, I presume I have hit near the mark.

 

[Jean_Anthony]

This thread is closed. Thank you all.