kwitz:
We could argue that the Holy Father acquiessed to allow the TLM.
I beg your pardon? Please show me where the Church ever forbade the TLM from being celebrated? How did disobedience to Rome initiate the TLM being approved?
Remember, the T in TLM stands for Traditional. Please provide the documents which forbade the TLM?
In fact, the documents which call for the Novus Ordo Mass specifically say that some parts of the Mass are to be retained in the Church’s tongue ~ Latin.
Do you attend many Novus Ordo Masses where any Latin is retained?
The Church has stated that the TLM should be offered to the faithful “generously.” I see this Mass being offered sparsley and during times when those who would have to travel a distance would be quite hard-pressed to attend.
Since I attend a NO Mass, I’m not in a position to argue all the facts in support of TLM, but I can tell you that it never was forbidden by the Vatican.
This thread has nothing to do with TLM. It is about female altar servers.
Female altar servers were forbidden, in writing.
My point being that since girls are expressly allowed to be altar servers according to Redemptinis Sacramentum and the TLM indult is expressly allowed, then none of us should have a problem with either occurring.
There is a huge difference, and you’re mixing apples and oranges.
Female servers are permitted
under certain conditions. And they were permitted only after the Church here in the US was widespread in using female servers in direct defiance of Rome.
The Vatican hasn’t said, ‘the noble tradition of female servers is laudibly retained.’ It has stated that, under certain circumstances, they will be
permitted. (It’s kinda like telling a kid who repeatedly disobeys you that he now has your limited permission to do something quite similar to the disobedient acts in which he’s already been engaging.
Altar girls came into being as a sign of defiance against Inaestimabile Donum and their use was intended to pave the way for female ordination. But the Vatican put up a blockade, and that attempt failed.
But putting little girls up on the altar may ultimately frustrate them, because one day, some of them will inquire…“Gee, I can serve;
why can’t I be ordained?”
And then, the feminists can further attack the Church, and say, “
because the Church is sexist, honey.” Because such people have no appreciation for Church
tradition or
Tradition.
The Church, however, does have appreciation for tradition, and as such calls for the generous application of the Traditional Latin Mass.
As long as there are female servers, the next logical step will be female ordination
in some people’s minds.
That is why, although it is ‘permitted,’ you don’t hear Rome really encouraging it.
Again, perhaps were it not for the disobedience of the Novus Ordo celebrants who removed
all the Latin from the NO, maybe the TLM would have ‘phased out.’ (But I don’t think so. Such a glorious liturgy would most likely perpetuate through time, giving to God the highest form of praise that every human heart can muster.)
Incidentally, when my son, for whatever reason, is unable to serve, we generally call upon his female cousin to stand in for him. She has never turned us down.
I just wouldn’t have my daughters sign up to be servers, as I know the history of the permission, understand the Church’s intent, and appreciate Her tradition of male servers.
