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That’s definitely true I didn’t even think until you wrote it, but even looking at the Church today literally no men do anything because it seems “sissy”, we have no male readers, no boys will be altar servers because the girls do it, no males are EM’sHC etc… The Church is now full of flowers, high pitched singing and loping melodies that I couldn’t possibly sing along with so I just sit there and keep my mouth shut. All volunteer activities are run by women, and focus on more female ways of worship and devotion, there’s nothing male centered at all. In fact Church in general seems like something only the women do adn the men just kind of go along, and kind of sissy. I can only imagine that for a young boy this fact is amplified 1,000 times.
Then the men are not doing what God called them to do! Isn’t our faith strong enough to become leaders and role models of our community? Are we chicken to teach the young boys what the expectations are for them? We should not blame our weakness on the women. Bishop Fulton Sheen gave a great speech on how a man should behave like a man, because that it is the way he was created.
 
Would boys who can be so easily scared make good priests? Honestly, that line of reasoning doesn’t do anything to improve my opinion of males in general. Are they really so weak-minded?
At 11 or 12 YOU BET! Not weak but growing and awkwardly going through puberty, and they fear the rejection of their peers more than anything else.

That last bolded phrase speaks VOLUMES about your feelings to males in general. Obviously you have a significant bias. “improve my opinion of males”? So I guess it’s pretty low to begin with huh?
 
Then the men are not doing what God called them to do! Isn’t our faith strong enough to become leaders and role models of our community? Are we chicken to teach the young boys what the expectations are for them? We should not blame our weakness on the women. Bishop Fulton Sheen gave a great speech on how a man should behave like a man, because that it is the way he was created.
I won’t put my son into that role merely because I am just too careful with who my son is alone with. But secondly he would be the only male altar server in my Parish and would look foolish. He’ll stick with baseball and football instead.

Fact is all areas of the liturgy that used to be uniquely male for the laity are gone. The male laity at least in my Parish is non existant anymore. The feminization of the Church is a huge contributor IMO (what else is it). I read an article on this phenomenom recently. They linked the rise of Islam and the huge drop of practicing Christians, due to the more masculine nature of Islamic worship, it appeals more to the male sensibilities. There may be something to it.
 
I won’t put my son into that role merely because I am just too careful with who my son is alone with. But secondly he would be the only male altar server in my Parish and would look foolish.
I can understand your point of better being safer than sorry. My parish avoids the problem by having more than one person working with the kids in any ministry. I would never leave my son alone and that it is why my wife or myself are always present at all the activities (Church or social) where he participates.

If understand correctly you are saying that avoiding to look like a fool is more important then serving for the Lord?
 
If understand correctly you are saying that avoiding to look like a fool is more important then serving for the Lord?
I think it’s a gross misinterpretation of what I said actually. No you don’t understand me at all apparently, try reading everything I’ve written. Try looking at this through the eyes of a 12 year old boy.
 
I won’t allow my son to be an altar server or spend any time alone with a priest.
What a shame. If children who have apprehensive parents are unable to look up to a priest as a role model, but instead as an object of fear, why should they ever wish to be one themselves?
 
What a shame. If children who have apprehensive parents are unable to look up to a priest as a role model, but instead as an object of fear, why should they ever wish to be one themselves?
I didn’t create this disaster it was the guilty priests and guilty Bishops that allowed it to happen that created the environment, I’m merely another victim of it.

It’s like a cheating spouse, they destroyed all trust in the sacred marriage, but then demand immediate trust again. It’s impossible humans can’t work like that. When that spouse says they’re coming home late from work, you’re going to think the worst. That’s the best I can describe it. My children are most important to me and I will do everything I can to keep them out of harms way, and part of that is not allowing them to be alone with grown men.
 
I wonder if allowing girls into the service of the Altar might implant in them a belief that they should be able to celebrate the sacrifice of the Mass as a priest, like males can.
 
At 11 or 12 YOU BET! Not weak but growing and awkwardly going through puberty, and they fear the rejection of their peers more than anything else.

That last bolded phrase speaks VOLUMES about your feelings to males in general. Obviously you have a significant bias. “improve my opinion of males”? So I guess it’s pretty low to begin with huh?
Actually, I like boys. I like men. And I haven’t met very many who are intimidated by women or girls. (This seems to be limited to hypothetical 12 year old boys on the Internet who are avoiding altar service because they are frightened of the girls - or whatever.) In real life, I’ve never actually seen that happen. We have both boys and girls at our parish, and I’ve never heard of a boy leaving because there were girls there.

For a couple of years, we had a girl Altar Server captain (she was the only 13-14 year old in the group) and we actually had more boys serving with her than we had had with the boy captain in the previous year.

We currently have a boy captain, and he’s doing a great job with both the boys and the girls. Right now, there is pretty much an even split between boys and girls.

But think about it. What are you really saying, when you say that boys won’t do what girls do because (you think that) they think it’s “sissy?” Doesn’t that speak to an underlying assumption that girls are just naturally sissy?

Is that the dignity of the human person created in the Image of God that we as Catholics are supposed to be teaching to our children?

Also, why is it up to the girl to give up service to the Church and to God, because it might offend a boy? Would a boy ever give up service to God or the Church because it might offend a girl? No - she would be instructed to grow up and get with it, already. Nobody would allow her to indulge herself in that kind of immature reaction to a boy - certainly, nobody would ever expect all boys everywhere to stay home and knit just because their service to the Lord might offend her in some way.
 
I wonder if allowing girls into the service of the Altar might implant in them a belief that they should be able to celebrate the sacrifice of the Mass as a priest, like males can.
I really can’t see how. No more than being allowed to help serve cookies after Mass would cause a boy to think that he could grow up to be a mother.
 
I don’t buy the story that boys are being squeezed out of being altar servers by girls. I’m inclined to think that if girls weren’t allowed to be altar servers there would be a shortage.

Perhaps, parents need to stress service to the Church and better catechetics at home if they want to see more male altar servers. Sadly, I can understand why some parents would be apprehensive in allowing their sons to spend time alone with some priests.
 
Crowding out boys was a poor choice of words. It should have said turning boys off to the uniqueness of it. A perfect example is myself. We had 60 -70 Altar BOYS in the mid 1980s. (It used to be an added bonus for us boys becuase the Knights of Columbus used to take us to baseball games a few times per summer for serving at the altar.) About the same time a feminist DRE who doubled as a “liturgist” showed up and she inducted girls into altar “servers”. Within 2 months HALF of the boys bolted and never returned. I know of one that was on his way to the priesthood (myself included). It lost its luster almost immediately and was very confusing to me becuase I thought that being an altar boy was the churches way of preparing a few of us select for the priesthood. The number of boys dwindled rapidly until it was almost all GIRLS and only the SISSY boys did it. I recently returned to home to visit my mom and was informed that there is NO male altar servers (the same liturgest was there with her grey hair now). My mom says the boys wont serve becuase it is a “girl thing”.

THAT is why, in my opinion, fewer boys are willing to serve.

On a side note The girls showing up also ruined the baseball game trip each summer too!
It’s good to hear a first-hand account of what I have always suspected to be true. :hmmm:
 
I really can’t see how. No more than being allowed to help serve cookies after Mass would cause a boy to think that he could grow up to be a mother.
Didn’t you read decn2b’s post?
 
I don’t buy the story that boys are being squeezed out of being altar servers by girls. I’m inclined to think that if girls weren’t allowed to be altar servers there would be a shortage.
I don’t agree at all, any Parish I’ve been to that had only boy altar servers had a plethera of altar boys. Any other Parish around me makes it a point to have half girls at least. So that means boys who could very well be future priests are turned away in the interest of political correctness. (is it a coincidence that the vocations shortage happened around the same time as female altar servers? I don’t know it’s definitely possible).

I went to the following Church when visiting my brother in Virginia.

saintbenedictparish.org/category.cfm?uid=6034

Not only did they have a lot of the Latin but they had the altar boys in the traditional cossacks and an veritable ARMY of them, and man what an impressive Mass it was. My Parish has no altar boys, all girls, no men younger than 45, it’s so depressing. It’s like that all over Brooklyn, I drag myself to Mass and it feels so different. There’s just something not right, the Mass just isn’t how I remember it, it isn’t the same. I blame the abandonment of so many tradtions, the Church is just so different now, it feels different I don’t know if I can explain it any better. I was so energized by the reverent Mass in VIrginia, I felt like I traveled in time to going to Mass with my Dad, I forgot Mass could be like that.

I’ll add the Mass was standing room only. My Church is no more than 1/4 full and none of the neighboring Parishes are any better. I don’t for a minute think it’s a coincidence that the one Parish that held fast to the traditions is packed, and the Parish here that all but abandoned them are empty.

I can never be a mother I’m o.k. with that, why does altar boy have to go to? Men have no position amongst the laity anymore, it’s completely feminized.
 
Didn’t you read decn2b’s post?
What does baseball have to do with Church and God?

I played baseball when I was a little girl, and I knew lots of girls who were extremely good at it. (What did they do, play better than the boys? Or did some well-meaning adult decide that the girls were too delicate for the game?)
 
I don’t agree at all, any Parish I’ve been to that had only boy altar servers had a plethera of altar boys. Any other Parish around me makes it a point to have half girls at least. So that means boys who could very well be future priests are turned away in the interest of political correctness.
That makes it sound like there is some kind of arbitrary limit on the number of altar servers there can be.

As far as I know, no one is ever turned away who wants to be an altar server. We have dozens of them, at my parish.

PS: The only limit is an age limit. They have to be of age to receive Holy Communion, and under 15.
 
I don’t buy the story that boys are being squeezed out of being altar servers by girls. I’m inclined to think that if girls weren’t allowed to be altar servers there would be a shortage.

Perhaps, parents need to stress service to the Church and better catechetics at home if they want to see more male altar servers. Sadly, I can understand why some parents would be apprehensive in allowing their sons to spend time alone with some priests.
Well that it what appears to have just happened in my parish. However, I do not hink that it is a common problem at all. I am alsof happy that it happened from the point of view that it indicates that there are a lot of kids and families that believe in the importance of serving the Church.
 
Well that it what appears to have just happened in my parish. However, I do not hink that it is a common problem at all. I am alsof happy that it happened from the point of view that it indicates that there are a lot of kids and families that believe in the importance of serving the Church.
Amen to dat. I am an altar-boy and the ‘population’ of servers in my parish is about half and half between boys and girls. I believe that it is a discerning process, but I don’t know if it’s intended for girls. I hope I don’t offend anyone by saying that. But, I don’t really have a problem with them serving.

At most of the parishes in the diocese I am in, the girls are allowed to serve.
 
Amen to dat. I am an altar-boy and the ‘population’ of servers in my parish is about half and half between boys and girls. I believe that it is a discerning process, but I don’t know if it’s intended for girls. I hope I don’t offend anyone by saying that. But, I don’t really have a problem with them serving.

At most of the parishes in the diocese I am in, the girls are allowed to serve.
Now, you don’t mind if they serve but if there was, say, an altar boy society at your parish which was more like club exclusive to boys, what would you think about that? Basically, which would you prefer? Would you prefer a group of guys that served on the altar and also did extra-Mass things dads and priests like backpacking trips, football games, etc. or would you like an altar servers group that has more co-ed activities? You may be fine with both but I’d assume that you’d have a preference.
 
What does baseball have to do with Church and God?

I played baseball when I was a little girl, and I knew lots of girls who were extremely good at it. (What did they do, play better than the boys? Or did some well-meaning adult decide that the girls were too delicate for the game?)
Umm. I wasn’t referring to the baseball part of his post. I played fastball for 17 years, in BC and Alberta, and believe me, it has nothing to do with the Church or God!
 
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