Altar girls

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I wonder if allowing girls into the service of the Altar might implant in them a belief that they should be able to celebrate the sacrifice of the Mass as a priest, like males can.
That’s part of the problem with altar girls. Plus, most of the ones I’ve seen look singularly undignified. In fairness, I do have to say that altar boy/girl formation at my parish leaves a lot to be desired. But I really don’t think altar girls were ever a good idea.

Oh, and by the way: I’m a girl. And I don’t hate myself.
 
That’s part of the problem with altar girls. Plus, most of the ones I’ve seen look singularly undignified. In fairness, I do have to say that altar boy/girl formation at my parish leaves a lot to be desired. But I really don’t think altar girls were ever a good idea.

Oh, and by the way: I’m a girl. And I don’t hate myself.
My daughter, who is now eleven, used to altar serve. Until she found out that boys are encouraged to serve so that they can use it as a stepping stone to the priesthood. She graciously bowed out, not in the least offended, so as not to displace or chase off the boys. She’s totally comfortable with her decision, and so am I.
 
We have Altar Boys (200 of them) and Choir Girls.
Why do we have this many boys?

Because we have Choir Girls, not Altar Girls.
 
Where does it say altar servers should be male? Where does it say they can’t be female?

I’m just curious why this seems to be a problem with so many people.
Some of us have a problem with it because it was ALWAYS forbidden until the liberal feminists pushed and pushed for it. The concept of altar girls was invented by the liberal feminists who want women priests. They feel that we all should get accustomed to seeing women doing things that men only were allowed to do…thereby it will not be a horrendous shock when we see a woman priest.

I watched the entire thing unfold. I watched it unfold in my Diocese at one parish here where they started as “Candle Bearers” just when on Mother Angelica Live people started calling in about “Altar Girls” and “Candle Bearers”. IT SEEMS THAT ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE CONNECTED THROUGHOUT THE PARISHES!

It may look innocent but the people behind it are DIABOLICAL and are bent on establishing a new church that is in no way Catholic.

Ken
 
That’s part of the problem with altar girls. Plus, most of the ones I’ve seen look singularly undignified.
UNDIGNIFIED???

What does that mean? The girls at my parish look just as good as the boys. At least the girls aren’t wearing big clodhopper athletic shopes under their altar robe.
 
Some of us have a problem with it because it was ALWAYS forbidden until the liberal feminists pushed and pushed for it. The concept of altar girls was invented by the liberal feminists who want women priests. They feel that we all should get accustomed to seeing women doing things that men only were allowed to do…thereby it will not be a horrendous shock when we see a woman priest.

I watched the entire thing unfold. I watched it unfold in my Diocese at one parish here where they started as “Candle Bearers” just when on Mother Angelica Live people started calling in about “Altar Girls” and “Candle Bearers”. IT SEEMS THAT ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE CONNECTED THROUGHOUT THE PARISHES!

It may look innocent but the people behind it are DIABOLICAL and are bent on establishing a new church that is in no way Catholic.

Ken
I know that the devil wants us to move away from Christ.
But I think that you are telling us that the feminist and the devil have more power than the Holy Spirit in driving the disciplines of the Church?
 
Some of us have a problem with it because it was ALWAYS forbidden until the liberal feminists pushed and pushed for it. The concept of altar girls was invented by the liberal feminists who want women priests. They feel that we all should get accustomed to seeing women doing things that men only were allowed to do…thereby it will not be a horrendous shock when we see a woman priest.

I watched the entire thing unfold. I watched it unfold in my Diocese at one parish here where they started as “Candle Bearers” just when on Mother Angelica Live people started calling in about “Altar Girls” and “Candle Bearers”. IT SEEMS THAT ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE CONNECTED THROUGHOUT THE PARISHES!

It may look innocent but the people behind it are DIABOLICAL and are bent on establishing a new church that is in no way Catholic.

Ken
You should reevaluate what you have written here. You are stating that because of outside heterodox influence, John Paul II and the Congregation for Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments INTENTIONALLY and FALSLY misinterpreted canon law when they proclaimed that the law as written in 1983 provided for male or female altar servers. That is a very serious accusation of deliberate fraud perpetrated by the Vatican and the Pope. Unless you have some legitimate proof of such influence, you should refrain from making such accusations against the Church. Pope John Paul II was a saintly man and deserves better than to be slandered.

I understand that the liberal feminist movement has pushed for altar girls but that has no connection to the Pope’s legitimate interpretation of canon law.
 
UNDIGNIFIED???

What does that mean? The girls at my parish look just as good as the boys. At least the girls aren’t wearing big clodhopper athletic shopes under their altar robe.
Well, I can vouch for what I see at my parish. We have two, yes, only two alter BOYS. They are very prayerful, they dress in dignified clothing, and they wear nice shoes under their robes when they serve. One of them wants to be a priest. They both pray in front of the Blessed Sacrament before Mass.

The girls however, wear running shoes or flipflops, twirl their hair and flip their jewellery around while they are serving. They also whisper, giggle, yawn and stretch their arms out like they just got out of bed. All this while they are supposed to be focused on serving at the most important event of their lives.
 
I was raised in one of the few diocese where altar girls are not allowed. My reasoning for the reason there were so many altar girls in other diocese and altar boys in mine is simplistic.

Most boys, especially at that age are lazy, they will do something if no one else will. Almost all of them will do something if no one else will, but if someone else is already doing it, why should it matter if they try to fill the spot.

Why compete if it gets done, and you don’t get praised anyway

A lone Raven
 
Our alter girls happen to be very dignified. My daughter goes through a head to toe inspection before she’s allowed to get ready and she does a great job and behaves like a lady. Prehaps some day she’ll do a great job for God as a Sister.

I’ve discovered that most people who have problems with girl alter servers, have a problem with women in general, whether they choose to acknowledge it publicly (or to themselves) or not.

When the men (boys) won’t serve, as always, the women (girls) must pick up the slack.
 
I’ve discovered that most people who have problems with girl alter servers, have a problem with women in general, whether they choose to acknowledge it publicly (or to themselves) or not.

When the men (boys) won’t serve, as always, the women (girls) must pick up the slack.
I’m a woman, and I don’t like altar girls. I think they look silly, frivolous and out of place on the altar. And I don’t hate myself or have a problem with being a woman. On the contrary, as a professional, I have learned the value of holding on to my femininity in a man’s world.

Was a shortage of altar boys the rationale behind altar girls? I really can’t remember rampant shortages of altar boys back before we got altar girls.
 
Our alter girls happen to be very dignified. My daughter goes through a head to toe inspection before she’s allowed to get ready and she does a great job and behaves like a lady. Prehaps some day she’ll do a great job for God as a Sister.

I’ve discovered that most people who have problems with girl alter servers, have a problem with women in general, whether they choose to acknowledge it publicly (or to themselves) or not.

When the men (boys) won’t serve, as always, the women (girls) must pick up the slack.
I don’t agree with that at all, it’s simple to call anyone anti-female altar servers as being “women haters” which is really a quantum leap IMO. I see the taking away of the altar boy position from a “boys club” and the decrease in vocations as being related. I don’t think altar girls are undignified at all and I appreciate them doing their service for the Church. I just think that it was an unneeded change and the Church as a whole is paying a price now. Young men just aren’t exposed to the priesthood like they once were, and vocations are now left for the ultra ultra orthodox young Catholic man and that’s it. For some reason women now feel the need to compete with men in every area instead of realizing we are different, and created for different purposes. It’s all going to pot IMO.
 
Our alter girls happen to be very dignified. My daughter goes through a head to toe inspection before she’s allowed to get ready and she does a great job and behaves like a lady. Prehaps some day she’ll do a great job for God as a Sister.

I’ve discovered that most people who have problems with girl alter servers, have a problem with women in general, whether they choose to acknowledge it publicly (or to themselves) or not.

When the men (boys) won’t serve, as always, the women (girls) must pick up the slack.
I have a problem with girl altar boys, but I don’t have a problem with women in general. And I acknowledge that publicly. 😉
 
I’m a woman, and I don’t like altar girls. I think they look silly, frivolous and out of place on the altar. And I don’t hate myself or have a problem with being a woman. On the contrary, as a professional, I have learned the value of holding on to my femininity in a man’s world.

Was a shortage of altar boys the rationale behind altar girls? I really can’t remember rampant shortages of altar boys back before we got altar girls.
Can you please elaborate why would a child either boy or girl would look silly or frivolous or out of place while serving the Lord? To me it seem that we should me more charitable toward them. We can criticize inappropriate individual behaviors, and I have seen a few of them from boys and girls while serving.
 
This is just anecdotal, I know. My now grown son was so eager to serve Mass, he urged us to get to Mass early. Then he went back to the sacristy every single time, hoping one of the assigned altar boys wouldn’t show up. Every once in awhile, his effort was successful. His own scheduled appointments just were not enough for him. At that time, only boys served, and they wore cassocks and surplices. At a point, our pastor announced that the bishop had approved altar girls. I told the pastor that I was afraid if they started having altar girls, the parish would end up with only altar girls. Well, it started, and the cassock and surplice were replaced with those awful white “unisex” robes. My son never served again, and nothing I could do or say would motivate him to do it. He especially hated the idea of “dressing like a girl” in those white robes. For years now, we have had only altar girls. Boys just won’t do it. Like all parishes, we had the explosion of “lay ministers” of every kind. At first there were men among them. Now, it’s all women. My son and the boys of his generation drifted away from the Church; some seemingly forever; some only for a time. With my son, the big turnaround came when he fell in with some Opus Dei fellows in grad school. To be sure, there are women in Opus Dei, but their role is different. Opus Dei for men is very masculine, and very demanding. He did not become a member, but he does follow the discipline of the supernumeraries.

When I was an altar server, it was very exacting; very demanding; very precise. Now, altar servers are really kind of useless appendages. There are no prayers (certainly not in Latin) to memorize; no significant coordinated movements; no precise coordination with the actions and prayers of the priest; no precision in anything.

No one would seriously maintain that girls should be separated from all things feminine. No one but a radical (perhaps gender-confused) feminist would say that females have no attributes or needs peculiar to themselves. But boys? The only specifically masculine things presented to them anymore are (hopefully) their fathers and the sort of corporate, peer outlawry that infects so many of them nowadays. When I was an altar boy, it was clear that it was a kind of “tryout” for the priesthood. For whatever reason, I knew from the very first that my vocation would be marriage and parenthood. Still, we were also taught that a secondary role was (as in ancient Christian times) to be a protector of the priest, the Eucharist and the parishioners. Kind of an overstatement, I guess, but we took it seriously. Among other things, we were taught that one of our fundamental purposes in life was to protect, and particularly to protect girls and women. Seems awfully patriarchal when you say it, but how many marriageable girls nowadays, faced with the way so many young men are now, would be grateful if boys were taught such things from first grade on? How many would welcome a return to a masculine sense of duty and self-discipline? Being an altar boy was not only a recruiting ground for priests.

There is no doubt in my mind that a segment of the Church in the U.S. wants to discourage the centrality of the priesthood. Certainly, many want womens’ ordination. So many actions of various bishops; from virtually no emphasis on vocations; massive “lay ministry” programs; women all over the sanctuary with the priest as a cipher in a corner; ever increasing nun-run parishes; suggest to me that some have decided that they are determined to change the Church to fit a “progressive” image they desire. Trouble is, it serves neither men nor women to impose a pervasive feminist overlay onto the Church.

One of the posters said that Islam is a masculine religion; and so it is. Very excessively so. Many protestant sects are as well. The Catholic Church, uniquely, found a balance; one that brought men to service and women to participation and dignity almost unique in history. Alistair Cooke remarked, wisely, that unlike mosques and protestant churches, traditional Catholic churches are “full of women and babies” in imagery and obvious attention. Over feminization of the Church in the U.S. is, in my opinion, a terrible mistake. Having altar girls is only one aspect of that mistake. Perhaps I’m paranoid, but I think, among some, it’s intentional.
 
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