Altar Rail Puts Communicants on Right Track

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omgriley said:
The problem is that these Eucharistic Ministers are said to be extraordinary, yet there isn’t anything extraordinary about them. They’re at nearly every OF mass.
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They are Extraordinary because they lack the ontological character of Order.

It has nothing to do with how many there are or how frequently they are used.
 
I realize “extraordinary” here used does not refer to the frequency with which they are used. To suggest so was wrong of me.
 
omgriley said:
It’s an observation, Don. Let’s try to parse this out. Could you explain the need for it?
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I’m not Don Ruggero but I’ll explain why they are necessary in my parish. We have one priest. That’s it. No second priest, no deacon, no instituted acolyte.

Our bishop has mandated offering Communion under both species at Sunday Masses at least. We require an EMHC to offer the Cup at the Saturday evening Mass and 2 at the Sunday morning Mass.

I know Communion by intinction is an option but not one that I’ve seen used in anywhere.
 
At the Novus Ordo parish I attended growing up there were often as many as 6 lay people (mostly women) distributing Holy Communion during the earlier Sunday Mass. Our little church held about 125 people at capacity.
 
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Intinction is not allowed in the Catholic Church.

When a parishioner has come to receive from the cup and begins to dip the Host into the cup, I’ve been instructed to place my hand over the cup and tell them to receive the Host first.

Keep in mind that a person who chooses to receive by intinction, is placing their hand into the cup, something you’d never allow a stranger to do in a restaurant, never mind while receiving the Precious Blood.

Jim
 
The priest can intinct himself. Self-intinction is not allowed, but the priest can.
 
Not sure why a priest would do this, and I’ve never seen it done.

Jesus said, “take and eat,” then, “take and drink.”

Dunking was not part of the Sacrament as institutded.

Jim
 
The General Instruction of the Roman Missal, 245…

It is one of the four ways approved in the Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church for administering Holy Communion under the form of wine as well as of bread: "The norms of the Roman Missal admit the principle that in cases where Communion is administered under both kinds, ‘the Blood of the Lord may be received either by drinking from the chalice directly, or by intinction, or by means of a tube or a spoon’
JimR-OCDS said:
Dunking was not part of the Sacrament as institutded.
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That’s your opinion, and the Church disagrees with it.
 
My friend who sometimes attends Mass in California with her sister related to me that is it is a bad flu season or a lot of sickness, the priest will dip the Host in the wine before
distributing the Host. I, of course, have never seen this done.
 
and intinction and use of a tube or spoon are when the person is incapable of receiving on their own.

Otherwise, intinction is prohibited at daily Mass.

Jim
 
Hereiam said:
What are we to make with those Apostles who reclined at table with the Lord?
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What about it? That was common in their culture.

If you walked into Donald Trump’s house and he made you take off your shoes and sit on the floor, what would you think? I know I would think it would be very odd, as that is not something that is custom to my culture nor his.

But if I was in Japan, I would expect such a thing.

What respectful in one culture is fine, but should not be used in a society that does not feel it to be respectful.

Cardinal Arinze talked about this when he discussed Liturgical Dance. He mentions how it’s fine for Africans because that’s a cultural form of prayer and worship, but it’s not OK for the majority of Europeans, North Americans, and South Americans because dance is not a cultural form of prayer for most of those cultures.

The point is: if people kneel to royalty, why would they not kneel to God? Part of the issue is that with republican societies, we often kneel to no human, which starts to make the idea of kneeling to God a foreign concept.

My point, you can’t always directly compare societies and you can’t always directly compare different time periods.

I pray I’m making some sense.

God bless
 
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Source?

stupid 16 characters

Also, the USCCB says this…
  1. Holy Communion may be distributed by intinction in the following manner: "Each communicant, while holding a Communion-plate under the mouth, approaches the Priest who holds a vessel with the sacred particles, with a minister standing at his side and holding the chalice. The Priest takes a host, intincts it partly in the chalice and, showing it, says: ‘The Body and Blood of Christ.’ The communicant replies, ‘Amen,’ receives the Sacrament in the mouth from the Priest, and then withdraws."54
http://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/the-mass/norms-for-holy-communion-under-both-kinds/index.cfm
 
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JimR-OCDS said:
Intinction is not allowed in the Catholic Church.
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Of course intinction is allowed. The communicant isn’t allowed to intinct but the priest certainly can. Pope Francis has distributed Communion that way.

GIRM 285. b) If Communion from the chalice is done by intinction, the hosts should be neither too thin nor too small, but rather a little thicker than usual, so that after being intincted partly into the Blood of Christ they can still be easily distributed.

GIRM 287. If Communion from the chalice is carried out by intinction, each communicant, holding a Communion-plate under the mouth, approaches the Priest who holds a vessel with the sacred particles, with a minister standing at his side and holding the chalice. The Priest takes a host, intincts it partly in the chalice and, showing it, says, The Body and Blood of Christ. The communicant replies, Amen, receives the Sacrament in the mouth from the
Priest, and then withdraws.
 
OK, a person dipping the hosts into the cup verses a priests dipping the host into the chalice, are different than what I’m addressing.

i’ll stand corrected on this.

Jim
 
In the 1980s in my prior parish up in NJ, the church building basement was going to be renovated and the bishop said the Italian marble altar rails and the gold baldichino had to removed before the basement could be renovated. People were up in arms. Many moved to another parish and the collection dropped substantially but even the new parish didn’t receive as much in the collection as my former parish did. Needless to say neither the altar rails nor the baldichino was removed but the pastor was. Eventually the basement was renovated without any renovations to the church. I was last at the church in August.
 
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