Altar Rail Puts Communicants on Right Track

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We’ve definitely become more degenerate. At least the hypocrites of the 50s paid lip service to what was right and wrong and didn’t try excuse evil.
 
I cited the GIRM
Maximilian75 said:
the Blood of the Lord may be received either by drinking from the chalice directly, or by intinction, or by means of a tube or a spoon’ (General Instruction of the Roman Missal, 245).
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It says nothing about papal restrictions.
 
His Lordship has become an unofficial patron of sorts to a certain community…
 
I think it is disrespectful of a bishop to be commenting on how often he spends in his country.
 
I am sure that this is the case with some, and perhaps even most of the people.

But because we are a social people, appearances count, and perceptions count. A lot of people see communion kneelers in 2018 as people preoccupied with a holiness competition.
 
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Well then that’s their problem, not the problem of those kneeling.
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Actually its nobody’s “problem”, its just an explanation of how the kneelers are seen by a portion of the general public- as showoffs.

If you don’t care what people will think, and think that you want to kneel, go right ahead. Its irrelevant to you what the views of the public are.
 
And I admitted that I was wrong for being that uncharitable in my thoughts.
 
But see no disrespect in this aux. Bishop endlessly commenting on how wrong the Pope is? Interesting.

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I disagree that the Bishop is necessarily disrespecting the Pope by commenting on those issues.
Good communication is a work of charity. Asking for clarification is an act of charity for the good of the Church.
Now, as to the Bp’s personal motivations and his spiritual disposition, I simply have no idea.
 
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The norm is standing.
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Fortunately for Church, the US Bishops did not put a period where you did, but rather a comma, describing the Norm in more detail.

We saw the same thing in GIRM 43. “The faithful kneel after the Agnus Dei (Lamb of God) unless the Diocesan Bishop determines otherwise.”

When a bishop uses the authority granted to him by the GIRM to have the faithful in his diocese kneel, he is not acting outside the norm, but inside it, using the authority of the norm.
 
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Nice try, but not even close.

The norm is standing.
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I’ll never understand why people would want to kneel if everyone else is standing.

I can appreciate that people might want to be an individual, but there is a time and a place for that and this isn’t it.
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The Church feels differently.
 
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You can never go back of course, but here in America, the 1950’s were a real high point in church history as far as attendance, membership, funding, etc.
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I met a small group of Catholics from the United States…they were African Americans who lived the faith during the 1950s. They described it as everything EXCEPT a high point in Church history.

The 1950s are not a period I look back upon with any sense of pining. The eras which followed were distinct improvement.
 
Was that because of the actions of the Church, or of general society?
 
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Segregation was evil. Many people not only tried to excuse that they fought to keep it. Each period of time has its own evil. There is no one time that was better than another in my opinion.
That is with one exception. The advances in the care of many illnesses that were fatal in the fifties means that now we have longer lifespans and therefore a greater opportunity to repent.
 
Don_Ruggero said:
I met a small group of Catholics from the United States…they were African Americans who lived the faith during the 1950s. They described it as everything EXCEPT a high point in Church history.

The 1950s are not a period I look back upon with any sense of pining. The eras which followed were distinct improvement.
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I was referring more to the high levels of church attendance and growth during the decade, more than to the social problems that existed during that time frame.

I was only born in 1956, so I can’t speak authoritatively on qualitative issues during that time frame.

Here in Pittsburgh- even later when I was a young man, the Catholic Church was pretty balkanized as many of the immigrants from the industrial age were still around. The Poles had their own parish, same with Italians, Slovaks, Slovenes,etc. It was certainly a different world and a different church.
 
Thank you Father. There are a handful of regulars on this forum who paint a picture of 1950s America as some sort of Christian utopia.I remember one poster went so far as to say that African-Americans were 'better off" in 1950 America than they are today. One could say a lot about rose tinted glasses and revisionist history…
 
Any of us can propose anecdotes. I remember the 50s quite positively in terms of my Catholic experience, and the 70s quite bleakly. Anecdotes do not make or break reality, except within the narrow confines of their memory, either faulty or quite accurate.
 
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Thank you Father. There are a handful of regulars on this forum who paint a picture of 1950s America as some sort of Christian utopia.I remember one poster went so far as to say that African-Americans were 'better off" in 1950 America than they are today. One could say a lot about rose tinted glasses and revisionist history…
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No one would want to be so foolish as to try to tell me that the 1950s were a better era. They would meet with a response that would leave them quite displeased – and leave me thinking that said person is sick in the head.
 
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