Alter Girls

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I have never seen an “Altar girl” at a TLM. Hence they don’t wear a head covering while “serving”. Although its no longer required to “cover” during Mass, most women will wear a cover of some sorts at the TLM. 😉
 
Gethsemane said:
Canon Law states that kneeling and on the tongue is the normative.
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Canon Law does not have any canons on the posture for receiving communion.
Gethsemane said:
Sadly in America/Canada Vatican 2 was misunderstood and was taken to mean in spirit one could violate Canon Law, but this is not so.
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You are accusing people of violating non-existent canons?
Gethsemane said:
No decree from any Bishop overrules Canon Law.
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You are mistaken regarding the relationship of canon law to particular law, and the authority of Bishops vis-a-vis particular law. The Bishops have wide lattitude to establish norms in their own territories, as do the Bishops conferences.

The Bishops absolutely do have the authority on this particular topic, see Redemptionis Sacramentum, 90. *“The faithful should receive Communion kneeling or standing, as the Conference of Bishops will have determined”, with its acts having received the recognitio of the Apostolic See.

Redemptionis Sacramentum* also deals with communion on the tongue/in hand: Although each of the faithful always has the right to receive Holy Communion on the tongue, at his choice,[178] if any communicant should wish to receive the Sacrament in the hand, in areas where the Bishops’ Conference with the recognitio of the Apostolic See has given permission, the sacred host is to be administered to him or her.
Gethsemane said:
There have even been Vatican officials that have said as much these few years.
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Then you should have no problem posting documentation that refutes my position. I have given you Redemptionis Sacramentum, do you have something that supercedes it?
 
minkymurph said:
OK, I have a question. What is a neo-feminist?
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I am not exactly sure either…i found this online…

In summary, a Neofeminist is an illogical, emotional creature bursting with contradictions, double-standards, and demands, all of which cause an unbearable tension within her (or, occasionally, him).

For a true feminist, injustice means that women and men are treated unequally. By contrast, the injustice for the Neofeminist is being a woman.
 
Our parish has a number of female servers and they perform excellently.
 
Angelsflight said:
I am not exactly sure either…i found this online…

In summary, a Neofeminist is an illogical, emotional creature bursting with contradictions, double-standards, and demands, all of which cause an unbearable tension within her (or, occasionally, him).

For a true feminist, injustice means that women and men are treated unequally. By contrast, the injustice for the Neofeminist is being a woman.
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So I guess, what some people may be concerned about is that female altar servers will grow up to be neo-feminists demanding to be priests. 🤷
 
Angelsflight said:
So I guess, what some people may be concerned about is that female altar servers will grow up to be neo-feminists demanding to be priests. 🤷
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I think the concern is that being allowed to be an altar server as a young woman *could *become a stumbling block because they are allowed to participate in a practice that is meant to encourage priestly vocations, and they cannot become priests themselves.
 
LaMusicaSenior said:
I think the concern is that being allowed to be an altar server as a young woman *could *become a stumbling block because they are allowed to participate in a practice that is meant to encourage priestly vocations, and they cannot become priests themselves.
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Well, then the church could just ban female servers and force boys who may not want to… 🤷
 
LaMusicaSenior said:
I think the concern is that being allowed to be an altar server as a young woman *could *become a stumbling block because they are allowed to participate in a practice that is meant to encourage priestly vocations, and they cannot become priests themselves.
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Being an alter server isn’t just about looking into the priesthood anymore, and hasn’t been for a long time. A person can be an alter server simply because they want to “serve” their parish in that way, and not for any priestly agenda.

My husband was an alter server all his life, and he NEVER considered the priesthood. He was even an alter server for his University’s parish… while he was engaged to me!

Being an alter server is not limited to looking into a priestly vocation.
 
Golf_Zulu said:
Our parish has a number of female servers and they perform excellently.
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Same here.

I’ve never seen a parish not allow girl alter servers, and didn’t even realize such notion existed until I came to CAF and saw a bunch of people having a hissy fit over it. :rolleyes:
 
englishredrose said:
You are not meant to know whether we are female or male or who we are. The gowns are there just like the priest robes to hide our identities as we serve Christ. Its not about who but about that we are serving Christ and when you are taking part in the service fully, quite who is holdling what candle, thruible or crucifix etc is irrelevant for you. I know many probably would prefer a young criminal boy to any kind of girl but what we do away from the Altar is not your concern. The Priest knows what I get upto etc and that all what matters in terms of congregation not being happy about us. He knows where I am exactly spiritually and as a citizen. The congregation needn’t worry about our genders and activities. Leave it to the Priest and God. But there are many an anglican who think just like you and it should be left to the boys. God isn’t interested iin our genders but our souls etc…
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Short of wearing masks on the altar, I don’t see how - or why - our identities are or should be hidden. The alb is symbolic of our Baptismal garment and is also symbolic of purity. The stole is a sign of the priestly office and of authority. The chasuble is symbolic of “putting on the yoke of Christ.” I see nothing in references to vestments about hiding one’s identity.
 
Angelsflight said:
:rotfl:
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Lol, seriously though!

If seeing a little girl up at the alter serving out Lord as an alter server offends you that much, then… then I really don’t know what to say to you, except that I hope things work out ok for you in other more important aspects of your life. 😃
 
Angelsflight said:
Well, then the church could just ban female servers and force boys who may not want to… 🤷
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No one is forced to be an altar server. The Mass is valid with or without an altar server, and the sacrafice of the Mass is also possible without servers - just like it is possible without music, etc.

But, again, out of curiousity and the historical-ness of altar serving: Was the movement to have girl altar servers brought about because of a lack of boys or because of an attempt of equality?
 
LaMusicaSenior said:
No one is forced to be an altar server. The Mass is valid with or without an altar server, and the sacrafice of the Mass is also possible without servers - just like it is possible without music, etc.

But, again, out of curiousity and the historical-ness of altar serving: Was the movement to have girl altar servers brought about because of a lack of boys or because of an attempt of equality?
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Who was the pope or whatever who gave girls the OK to be alter servers?

Maybe you can find an answer to your question by looking into that.
 
Debora123 said:
Being an alter server isn’t just about looking into the priesthood anymore, and hasn’t been for a long time. A person can be an alter server simply because they want to “serve” their parish in that way, and not for any priestly agenda.

My husband was an alter server all his life, and he NEVER considered the priesthood. He was even an alter server for his University’s parish… while he was engaged to me!

Being an alter server is not limited to looking into a priestly vocation.
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Good point. 😉
 
Debora123 said:
Same here.

I’ve never seen a parish not allow girl alter servers, and didn’t even realize such notion existed until I came to CAF and saw a bunch of people having a hissy fit over it. :rolleyes:
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Same for me. Welcome the club. 😃
 
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