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captainmike
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with someone who contends it is a man-made doctrine. need some helpful articles and scripture passages. thanks.
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Matt. 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Now, if your dialogue partner is questioning the Christ as fully God, then John 1:1.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
They seem like a good starting place to me.
Jon
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CatholicGuyNY
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what is the religion of the person you’re discussing with? This will help in the approach you take.
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Araninski
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Hi guys!
1 John 5:7
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
It couldn’t be more clear.
God bless
1 John 5:7
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
It couldn’t be more clear.
God bless
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CatholicGuyNY
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You may want to read this:Hi guys!
1 John 5:7
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
It couldn’t be more clear.
God bless
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum
The New American Bible, a Catholic translation, and the translation used in Catholic parishes on Sundays, does not include that verse. So, the Bible that the person in question is using may or may not include this verse, and they may or may not know the history of it.
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jakasaki
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What religion does this person follow…???
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Nicea325
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Is this ‘someone’ a JW? Ask them who was God referring to in Gen 1:26 and 3:22.?
Gen 1:26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
3;22: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Hope that helps out!
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Araninski
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Thanks man didn’t know this.
Well anyways JonNC posted scriptures that explain it too.
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roveau
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Yes, the I John 5:7 verse about the ‘three’ has been discredited because it doesn’t appear in the early manuscripts and that’s why it’s left out ofthe latest editions of the Bible.
However, the Matt. 28:19 verse, “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” would be the quote I’d use for those doubting the Holy Trinity. The doubters argue that the Holy Spirit is just the spirit of the Father or the Son… so I would ask, why then mention the Holy Spirit if the Father and the Son had already been listed. Plus, aren’t they all ‘spirit’ anyway.
However, the Matt. 28:19 verse, “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” would be the quote I’d use for those doubting the Holy Trinity. The doubters argue that the Holy Spirit is just the spirit of the Father or the Son… so I would ask, why then mention the Holy Spirit if the Father and the Son had already been listed. Plus, aren’t they all ‘spirit’ anyway.
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Nicea325
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Exactly! If the HS is ‘just’ the spirit of the Father and the Son,then why would Jesus even bother to say: Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"
Evidently ALL three are three distinct persons of the Godhead.
They may doubt it, but Christ seems to make a distinction in John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
He says the Holy Spirit will be sent by God in His (Christ’s) name.
Jon
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Nicea325
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Theodora
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From the sentence you can deduct that the Holy Spirit is a person. Down the line, the Holy Spirit is refered to as “he” and not as “it.”
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captainmike
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these are great verses. i appreciate everyone sending them to me. these will give me some great ammo.
not sure the denomination of the other person.
do you have any good verses to support these beliefs:
Jesus is “fully God”
Jesus is “fully man”
thank you
not sure the denomination of the other person.
do you have any good verses to support these beliefs:
Jesus is “fully God”
Jesus is “fully man”
thank you
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Nicea325
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John 5:18 we are told that Jesus’ opponents sought to kill him because he “called God his Father, making himself equal with God.”
In John 8:58, when quizzed about how he has special knowledge of Abraham, Jesus replies, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am”—invoking and applying to himself the personal name of God—“I Am” (Ex. 3:14). His audience understood exactly what he was claiming about himself. “So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple” (John 8:59).
In John 20:28, Thomas falls at Jesus’ feet, exclaiming, “My Lord and my God!” (Greek: Ho Kurios mou kai ho Theos mou—literally, “The Lord of me and the God of me!”)
In Philippians 2:6, Paul tells us that Christ Jesus “[w]ho, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be g.asped” (New International Version). So Jesus chose to be born in humble, human form though he could have simply remained in equal glory with the Father for he was “in very nature God.”
Also significant are passages that apply the title “the First and the Last” to Jesus. This is one of the Old Testament titles of Yahweh: “Thus says Yahweh, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, Yahweh of armies: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; besides me there is no god’” (Is. 44:6; cf. 41:4, 48:12).
This title is directly applied to Jesus three times in the book of Revelation: “When I saw him [Christ], I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand upon me, saying, ‘Fear not, I am the First and the Last’” (Rev. 1:17). “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the First and the Last, who died and came to life’” (Rev. 2:8). “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense, to repay every one for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the beginning and the end” (Rev. 22:12–13).
This last quote is especially significant since it applies to Jesus the parallel title “the Alpha and the Omega,” which Revelation earlier applied to the Lord God: “‘I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty” (Rev. 1:8).
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