Am I a candidate for a TM parish?

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I posted in the L&S section about the homily I heard Christmas Eve and how my jaw dropped as I listened to Fr. encourage us to hope for women priests because, “they know so much more than me” (him) and are much better in some situations than males. Of course we all know we won’t see this happen during the reign of Benedict XVI."
I’ve about had it.
I converted to Catholicism 12 years ago for a reason. I love the Doctrines and Dogmas of HMC, the reverence, the beauty, the “things of God.”
I’m tired of the yakkity yak before and after Mass right in the pews so that to sit and quietly pray is next to impossible.
I’m tired of hearing cell phones go off all during Mass and people talking during the Consecration.
I’m tired of all the “small” innovations to the traditional prayers I hear every single Mass.
I’m tired of looking at the American flag smack up against the statue of St. Joseph at the front of the church.
I’m tired of there being no confititor.
I’m tired of receiving Holy Eucharist from the hands of women.
I’m tired of seeing so few altarboys but a slew of girls. (there are plenty of boys in the church so why are the parents not directing them to this?)
I’m tired of having difficulty getting to confession because it’s only on Saturdays 4-5 and I have to work every Saturday.
I’m tired of there being no Crucifix on the altar.
I’m just tired of being tired.
There is a small church in town called Saints Peter and Paul Catholic Mission in town that I’ve been looking into. Confession 5 days per week, no flags at all, all altarboys, only Father distributing Eucharist, And, of course, the entire Mass is in Latin which I know nothing about though I have been to a couple TLMs before.
When I converted, I so much wanted to BE a Catholic person and pray though I may, I’m becoming more and more disillusioned with the way things seem to be . And I’m not speaking of just one parish either.
Please don’t bombard me with negatives here, just give me some sound advice on the direction I should go. I’ve prayed a lot over this and seem to be being led in the direction of Traditional Catholicism.
 
catsrus said:
I posted in the L&S section about the homily I heard Christmas Eve and how my jaw dropped as I listened to Fr. encourage us to hope for women priests because, “they know so much more than me” (him) and are much better in some situations than males. Of course we all know we won’t see this happen during the reign of Benedict XVI."
I’ve about had it.
I converted to Catholicism 12 years ago for a reason. I love the Doctrines and Dogmas of HMC, the reverence, the beauty, the “things of God.”
I’m tired of the yakkity yak before and after Mass right in the pews so that to sit and quietly pray is next to impossible.
I’m tired of hearing cell phones go off all during Mass and people talking during the Consecration.
I’m tired of all the “small” innovations to the traditional prayers I hear every single Mass.
I’m tired of looking at the American flag smack up against the statue of St. Joseph at the front of the church.
I’m tired of there being no confititor.
I’m tired of receiving Holy Eucharist from the hands of women.
I’m tired of seeing so few altarboys but a slew of girls. (there are plenty of boys in the church so why are the parents not directing them to this?)
I’m tired of having difficulty getting to confession because it’s only on Saturdays 4-5 and I have to work every Saturday.
I’m tired of there being no Crucifix on the altar.
I’m just tired of being tired.
There is a small church in town called Saints Peter and Paul Catholic Mission in town that I’ve been looking into. Confession 5 days per week, no flags at all, all altarboys, only Father distributing Eucharist, And, of course, the entire Mass is in Latin which I know nothing about though I have been to a couple TLMs before.
When I converted, I so much wanted to BE a Catholic person and pray though I may, I’m becoming more and more disillusioned with the way things seem to be . And I’m not speaking of just one parish either.
Please don’t bombard me with negatives here, just give me some sound advice on the direction I should go. I’ve prayed a lot over this and seem to be being led in the direction of Traditional Catholicism.
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Unfortunately there are progressives who have infiltrated the Church and perhaps you have come across one of their enclaves. But fear not - there are more conservative parishes still in existance and I imagine if you take the time and effort - you will find one. Pray that GOD Leads you to one.

Pax
 
Wow you sound really tired. What I find such a blessing though is how Christ is present too in those places you have tired of. God bless you on your faith journey and peace.
 
While the Church that you mention “St. Peter and Paul Catholic Mission” (the one in Harrisburg) looks liturgically and doctrinally sound, it looks like they do not have the authorization of the bishop.

Surely there is a Traditional Mass approved by the Bishop in your area?

Also have you checked out any of the Eastern Catholic Churches? If you are in Pennsylvania there must be a lot of Ukrainian Greek Catholic and Ruthenian Catholic Churches in the area.
 
I was born 70+ years ago, baptized as Catholic, and I attend Masses without all this, except that the Mass is in vernacular so people understand it. The Magisterium allowed that change, and there is nothing wrong with that

Not the reform had to be rejected, together with the Magisterium which sanctioned it, but the abuses, which were not sanctioned.

The true Church is hierarchical St Peter & Paul mission is not a resolution for the problems

saintspeterandpaulrcm.com/

and it is not an accident that mostly new converts, who do feel in their blood the need for the hierarchy are supporting such organizations.
catsrus said:
I posted in the L&S section about the homily I heard Christmas Eve and how my jaw dropped as I listened to Fr. encourage us to hope for women priests because, “they know so much more than me” (him) and are much better in some situations than males. Of course we all know we won’t see this happen during the reign of Benedict XVI."
I’ve about had it.
I converted to Catholicism 12 years ago for a reason. I love the Doctrines and Dogmas of HMC, the reverence, the beauty, the “things of God.”
I’m tired of the yakkity yak before and after Mass right in the pews so that to sit and quietly pray is next to impossible.
I’m tired of hearing cell phones go off all during Mass and people talking during the Consecration.
I’m tired of all the “small” innovations to the traditional prayers I hear every single Mass.
I’m tired of looking at the American flag smack up against the statue of St. Joseph at the front of the church.
I’m tired of there being no confititor.
I’m tired of receiving Holy Eucharist from the hands of women.
I’m tired of seeing so few altarboys but a slew of girls. (there are plenty of boys in the church so why are the parents not directing them to this?)
I’m tired of having difficulty getting to confession because it’s only on Saturdays 4-5 and I have to work every Saturday.
I’m tired of there being no Crucifix on the altar.
I’m just tired of being tired.
There is a small church in town called Saints Peter and Paul Catholic Mission in town that I’ve been looking into. Confession 5 days per week, no flags at all, all altarboys, only Father distributing Eucharist, And, of course, the entire Mass is in Latin which I know nothing about though I have been to a couple TLMs before.
When I converted, I so much wanted to BE a Catholic person and pray though I may, I’m becoming more and more disillusioned with the way things seem to be . And I’m not speaking of just one parish either.
Please don’t bombard me with negatives here, just give me some sound advice on the direction I should go. I’ve prayed a lot over this and seem to be being led in the direction of Traditional Catholicism.
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I have experienced similar problems in my parish. I will not relate the details since it would sound too familiar to you anyway. It is pretty much the same rejection of the Magisterium that you related.

I decided to stay in this parish and raise my two children here. They have been negatively impacted by the parish and my occasional outbursts over heresy. However, I attend daily mass at a nearby parish before work and gain strength. I have found formation groups in orthodox new movements such as Miles Christi that help me to grow. I take all of this formation and education back into my home and we pray together as a family.

We do some devotions now, pray the rosary together, and go to confession. It is working out pretty well.

In summary, I made the decision to stay and fight. I have been a persistent force in our parish for a return to orthodoxy. One victory I won stopped the practice of pouring the Blood of Christ down the sacrarium after mass (see Redemptionis Sacramentum #107).

I recommend you pray about it - whether you should stay and fight or take flight to a better parish. However, give your hard-earned money only to the good organizations, groups, and parishes. Limit what goes in the weekly envelope at this parish to a very small amount (e.g. $5). If the pastor asks why, then tell him the truth.
 
While I am torn between the idea of staying and working to bring a more orthodox presence to teh parich and “voting with your feet” and going to a TM parish, I can only answer you title question with a resounding YES. Yes you are a candidate for a TM parish. If one is not reasonably close you can, a) look for a more conservative parish nearby and b) make know your desire for the EF in your area.

Peace
James
 
catsrus said:
I posted in the L&S section about the homily I heard Christmas Eve and how my jaw dropped as I listened to Fr. encourage us to hope for women priests because, “they know so much more than me” (him) and are much better in some situations than males. Of course we all know we won’t see this happen during the reign of Benedict XVI.".
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Report him to your Bishop. Apparently your priest cares less about what the Pope has said and written about women priests and about the penalties toward any Bishop who attempts to ordain one.
 
catsrus said:
I posted in the L&S section about the homily I heard Christmas Eve and how my jaw dropped as I listened to Fr. encourage us to hope for women priests because, “they know so much more than me” (him) and are much better in some situations than males. Of course we all know we won’t see this happen during the reign of Benedict XVI."
I’ve about had it.
I converted to Catholicism 12 years ago for a reason. I love the Doctrines and Dogmas of HMC, the reverence, the beauty, the “things of God.”
I’m tired of the yakkity yak before and after Mass right in the pews so that to sit and quietly pray is next to impossible.
I’m tired of hearing cell phones go off all during Mass and people talking during the Consecration.
I’m tired of all the “small” innovations to the traditional prayers I hear every single Mass.
I’m tired of looking at the American flag smack up against the statue of St. Joseph at the front of the church.
I’m tired of there being no confititor.
I’m tired of receiving Holy Eucharist from the hands of women.
I’m tired of seeing so few altarboys but a slew of girls. (there are plenty of boys in the church so why are the parents not directing them to this?)
I’m tired of having difficulty getting to confession because it’s only on Saturdays 4-5 and I have to work every Saturday.
I’m tired of there being no Crucifix on the altar.
I’m just tired of being tired.
There is a small church in town called Saints Peter and Paul Catholic Mission in town that I’ve been looking into. Confession 5 days per week, no flags at all, all altarboys, only Father distributing Eucharist, And, of course, the entire Mass is in Latin which I know nothing about though I have been to a couple TLMs before.
When I converted, I so much wanted to BE a Catholic person and pray though I may, I’m becoming more and more disillusioned with the way things seem to be . And I’m not speaking of just one parish either.
Please don’t bombard me with negatives here, just give me some sound advice on the direction I should go. I’ve prayed a lot over this and seem to be being led in the direction of Traditional Catholicism.
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I truly understand what you mean and I have great empathy for you. I am a convert and due to this am more sensitive to the changes that cradle born Catholics do not see. I would suggest several things although none are likely to satisfy the wonderful thirst you have for a true, orthodox Catholic Parish. One is to only be in the line where the priest distributes the Eucharist, and if asked openly say why. The second is to attempt to identify a Parish (that may be a drive away) that is consistent with the USCCB, as your Parish does not sound as if it is. When you have identified one, meet privately with your Parish priest, tell him of your concerns, If this falls on deaf ears, meet with the bishop. All who receive holy orders are to be faithfull to the CCC, which was revised and been out for years! Ask gently, but pointedly if the deviations within the parish are willful violations or mere misunderstandings and when these can be corrected.

It is important to help be part of the fix and be willing to tactfully and privately approach this. However it may not bear fruit. In my experience, 60% of a parish are traditional, but a vocal 10 % get all the attention and this 10% is likely the type that refer to God as “she”. Knowing this, suffering and persistence may be necessary, and at time you may opt to merely drive further away (as I do, 15 miles) to a traditional parish. But do not give up. This desire and suffering is something to “offer up” You likely have many that agree with you and they also see the errors.

I wish you the best.
 
Tradycja said:
While the Church that you mention “St. Peter and Paul Catholic Mission” (the one in Harrisburg) looks liturgically and doctrinally sound, it looks like they do not have the authorization of the bishop.

Surely there is a Traditional Mass approved by the Bishop in your area?

Also have you checked out any of the Eastern Catholic Churches? If you are in Pennsylvania there must be a lot of Ukrainian Greek Catholic and Ruthenian Catholic Churches in the area.
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Eastern Catholic parishes are not dumping grounds for Roman traditionalists who are sick of the perceived liberalism, real or exaggerated, is in their parishes.
 
AdvanceAlways said:
Eastern Catholic parishes are not dumping grounds for Roman traditionalists who are sick of the perceived liberalism, real or exaggerated, is in their parishes.
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Becoming Eastern Catholic is more than just going to a Liturgy thats 1500 years old. The praxis is different and many things one may have found and embraced as a Roman Catholic would be taught in a different way in the East. It might foster hostility as well if you are not welcoming of accepting a different praxis and just pursuing a traditional Liturgy.
 
After what you have said, it sounds like a traditional road is the way to go for you. I have often found it a little strange that we have to get back to the basics, but as the V2 experiment was a failure in many ways (but not all), we awake to realize how precious our traditions are, and always will be. The traditional Latin does require a bit of concentrated effort to get to know well, but once it is familiar, the NO Mass will seem very bland and banal in many ways. We hopefully learned a valuable lesson about a great many things, but the ship is not so far out to sea right now that we cannot bring it back and repair the holes in the hull.

I would question the validity of any priest who would advocate women priests, and this of course could reflect the validity of his consecrations, absolutions, baptisms and other aspects of his duty to save souls. Priests like that are much better off in another profession, as many just don’t realize what damage they are doing, yet we have seen the results of some of these liberal priests in the last 40 odd years.

Many liberal minded and “progressive” Catholics want to just merge completely with protestantism to the point that the Church will cease to resemble Catholic ways at all. This is a pipe dream that will never happen, and the traditional mass is quickly taking hold again. This return to tradition will also have to be accompanied by the return of tradition thought and morals. No more communion in the hand, girl alter servers, hippy music and people in the parish who think they have to do the job of a priest in distributing communion. It has to change back to the traditional ways, or we are in serious trouble–and I can well say, with a great sigh of relief, that we are seeing these changes taking place now.

It will take time, but I can predict that the New Mass may very well be on it’s way to being less available and the TLM more available. Seminarians are now being trained and there are many FSSP priests who I know who are training priests already out in the field for the changes that are coming. I can see the value of the New Mass for those just entering the Church, to easily aquaint them with the parts of the Mass, but a serious Catholic should always prefer the traditional Latin Mass. A person even of an average intelligence can understand the Latin required if only they would APPLY themselves to the task and remember the Sacrifice of Holy Mass is not a Broadway show or a platform for opinionated priests or parishioners to express themselves. Before V2, there was no “New” Mass, one just learned it and there was no problems…why would something have to change that was already perfect? There are to many “opinions” on that, and they all smack of protestant thinking in one way or another. Ecumenical relations only work if the person (protestant or pagan or heathen or whatever) you are cavorting with becomes a Catholic, other than that it is rather pointless. Respect them, but don’t compromise the truth for political correctness.

I urge you to find a parish that offers the traditional Latin Sacrifice of Holy Mass, do more research on the way it is done and learn all you can. I provided a great link for you below.** And most of all, pray**. Prayer is what worked for many who wanted the traditional Mass and it’s widespread return and that says a great deal. The pews are full and the Church is becoming Catholic again. God Bless You.

The best site I have ever seen for understanding the TLM:
sanctamissa.org/en/index.html
 
ConstantineTG said:
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Becoming Eastern Catholic is more than just going to a Liturgy thats 1500 years old. The praxis is different and many things one may have found and embraced as a Roman Catholic would be taught in a different way in the East. It might foster hostility as well if you are not welcoming of accepting a different praxis and just pursuing a traditional Liturgy.
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I do not know how is it in the US but in Hungary they changed the language to vernacular much before the XXI Ecumenical council, also the traditional closing of the sanctuary for the Canon is abolished. May be here it is different, and everything is traditional.

Also as far as I know changing rite was forbidden in the original agreements. It seems to me that the council retained this rule with some exceptions

Finally, each and every Catholic, as also the baptized of every non-Catholic church or denomination who enters into the fullness of the Catholic communion, must retain his own rite wherever he is, must cherish it and observe it to the best of his ability (4),
 
laszlo said:
I do not know how is it in the US but in Hungary they changed the language to vernacular much before the XXI Ecumenical council, also the traditional closing of the sanctuary for the Canon is abolished. May be here it is different, and everything is traditional.

Also as far as I know changing rite was forbidden in the original agreements. It seems to me that the council retained this rule with some exceptions

Finally, each and every Catholic, as also the baptized of every non-Catholic church or denomination who enters into the fullness of the Catholic communion, must retain his own rite wherever he is, must cherish it and observe it to the best of his ability (4),
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Ummm… rite changing is perfectly allowed under canon law.
 
CMatt25 said:
Wow you sound really tired. What I find such a blessing though is how Christ is present too in those places you have tired of. God bless you on your faith journey and peace.
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👍 Life is messy. People are imperfect. God is with us…
 
AdvanceAlways said:
Eastern Catholic parishes are not dumping grounds for Roman traditionalists who are sick of the perceived liberalism, real or exaggerated, is in their parishes.
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Well, that’s encouraging. Do all EC’s feel this way ?
 
At_Trent said:
Well, that’s encouraging. Do all EC’s feel this way ?
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Most would. While we welcome everyone, we don’t want frustrated and bitter Romans coming in and using us as a safe haven. Eastern Catholicism is an entirely different praxis and Romans like myself who come to Eastern Catholicism do it out of love for Eastern traditions and praxis, not out of running away from the “liberal” monster in the closet.
 
AdvanceAlways said:
Most would. While we welcome everyone, we don’t want frustrated and bitter Romans coming in and using us as a safe haven. Eastern Catholicism is an entirely different praxis and Romans like myself who come to Eastern Catholicism do it out of love for Eastern traditions and praxis, not out of running away from the “liberal” monster in the closet.
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So one must certainly be bitter and frustrated to distance himself from dissidence ? What is the better way ?
 
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