Am I a candidate for a TM parish?

[AdvanceAlways]

So one must certainly be bitter and frustrated to distance himself from dissidence ? What is the better way ?

If there is true dissidence (eg, calling for married priests) then try to find a good parish within your own rite. If by “dissidence” you mean fully employing the reforms of Vatican II, then the East isn’t for you. Again, the Eastern Catholic Churches are not a dumping ground for disconnected Latins. If one truly loves the East or wants to learn about the east then that’s one thing. However, too often, so called “trads” come into Eastern parishes and obliterate them by trying to latinize them. We don’t want exactly care for having our churches hijacked by bitter Romans.

 

[ProVobis]

However, too often, so called “trads” come into Eastern parishes and obliterate them by trying to latinize them.

How, for example?

 

[AdvanceAlways]

How, for example?

They come, they are vocal in their whining about Vatican II, the OF, etc, they get on to parish councils and try to turn the Eastern parish into their personal vehicle for pushing latinizations.

 

[ProVobis]

They come, they are vocal in their whining about Vatican II, the OF, etc, they get on to parish councils and try to turn the Eastern parish into their personal vehicle for pushing latinizations.

But if they all spoke nothing but Greek there, I’d bet they wouldn’t be all that vocal. Just saying.

 

[sasha7]

“When I converted, I so much wanted to BE a Catholic person and pray though I may, I’m becoming more and more disillusioned with the way things seem to be . And I’m not speaking of just one parish either.
Please don’t bombard me with negatives here, just give me some sound advice on the direction I should go. I’ve prayed a lot over this and seem to be being led in the direction of Traditional Catholicism.”
Run, don’t walk to nearest TM! Sincerely from a convert, Sasha

 

[Tradycja]

Eastern Catholic parishes are not dumping grounds for Roman traditionalists who are sick of the perceived liberalism, real or exaggerated, is in their parishes.

I was told in my local Ukrainian Greek Catholic parish that all Catholics are welcome at their parish. Is this not the case?

 

[Crusading_Canuk]

If there is true dissidence (eg, calling for married priests) then try to find a good parish within your own rite. If by “dissidence” you mean fully employing the reforms of Vatican II, then the East isn’t for you. Again, the Eastern Catholic Churches are not a dumping ground for disconnected Latins. If one truly loves the East or wants to learn about the east then that’s one thing. However, too often, so called “trads” come into Eastern parishes and obliterate them by trying to latinize them. We don’t want exactly care for having our churches hijacked by bitter Romans.

When have bitter trads tried to obliterate the Divine Liturgy? A Tradtionalist recgonizes both the Tridentine Mass and Divine Liturgy are liturgical equivalents and developments of the same Mass and traditions of the early Church. Latinization has been officially forbidden since the “Rosary Pope” Leo XIII in ORIENTALIUM DIGNITAS. If anything (forgive me if i’m wrong) you seem a little bitter to traditional Roman Catholics. If a trad comes to your parish to experience the beauty of the Divine Liturgy, it is only because they find it strengthens their faith in a way they find Novus Ordo cannot. Christ commanded us to love each other as He loved us, next time you converse with or see a trad walking into your parish remember this great commandment and embrace your fellow Catholic!

 

[Tradycja]

Actually the local Melkite parish has altar girls in procession and the hand shake of peace. They could actually use a few good trads there, LOL.

 

[CradleCath]

hbglatinmass.com/

There is the FSSP Latin Mass Community in Harrisburg. Don’t go to the other one.

Agreed! The FSSP is faithful to the Holy See. To the OP., advocating women priests from the pulpit is way beyond most abuses. As one who grew up with the TLM., I had no choice but to attend the Novus Ordo for 40 yrs. & I faced many of the same challenges that you mentioned in your message. The constant noise, they very “busyness”, the Sanctuary filled with members of the laity, etc., etc. I began to miss Mass more than I’d ever done before &, as I look back on the last 20 yrs., the reasons I did so were pretty shallow. When the Motu Proprio was issued in 2,007, I found a small, “off the beaten path” parish that celebrates both the Novus Ordo & TLM. I joined this parish & haven’t looked back. After several months, I bought a Latin/English missal & find myself praying the prayers within it daily. For the past 3 yrs., I’ve attended the Latin Mass exclusively.

I’d like to share with you the message from Pope St. Pius X that is written on the page prior to the beginning of the Mass of 1962.

“The Holy Mass is a prayer itself, even the highest prayer that exists.
It is the Sacrifice, dedicated by our Redeemer at the Cross, & repeated every day on the altar. If you wish to hear Mass as it
should be heard, you must follow with eye, heart & mouth all that happens at the altar. Further, you must pray with the Priest the holy words said by him in the Name of Christ & which Christ says by him (the priest). You have to associate your heart with the holy feelings which are contained in these words &, in this manner you ought to follow all that happens at the altar. When acting in this way, you have prayed the Holy Mass.”

I couldn’t do that at my previous parish. The distractions…people moving about all of the time, visiting with each other before & after (& sometimes during) the Mass, crossing the aisle to shake hands & the CONSTANT parade of lectors, EEM’s, choir members & on & on, as they make their way to the Sancturary…were too great.

I believe in this excerpt from the Second Council of Lyons, A.D. 1274:

**“It is fitting that He Whose abode has been established in peace should be worshipped in peace and with due reverence. Churches, then, should be entered humbly and devoutly; behaviour inside should be calm, pleasing to God, bringing peace to the beholders, a source not only of instruction but of mental refreshment.” **

Thanks to God & Pope Benedict, I’ve found this peace & reverence in my new parish & the Latin Mass.

 

[tampasteve]

a serious Catholic should always prefer the traditional Latin Mass.

This is offensive to anyone that might prefer the NO and is a “serious Catholic”. I have friends that attend NO mass every week and holy day, follow the regulations set by our bishop and the Pope, they are most certainly serious Catholics - but they have no inclination to attend a TLM. Are they any less of a Catholic than someone that exclusively attends a TLM?

The OP points out some grievous issues at their parish, and many parishes also have similar issues, but this is most certainly not the case at all parishes that celebrate the NO Mass and parishioners that might prefer the NO are not necessarily any less of a Catholic.

Steve

 

[catsrus]

I wish to thank every one of you from the bottom of my heart for your suggestions and information!
What a great support group you are.
Thanks to Tartini for the post and link and to CradleCath for the empathy. It’s good to know that I’m not “out there” by myself. I have no Catholic friends nor family members because friends and family all went south when I converted from lutheranism. So I did not exactly know what to do with my troubled heart.

To the person who pointed out that SSPP in York is not united with the Diocese - do you know why? I don’t, but they are so close to where I live.

I may end up having to drive to Harrisburg which is at least an hour from where I live, But if I do, then I do, because my spirt is suffering.

Once again, thanks to all of you!
I’m off to check the links you all sent me.

 

[Samuel63]

If you have a chance, check this link too.

mileschristi.org/en/activities/spiritual-exercises.php?id=53

Happy New Year!

God bless you!

 

[CradleCath]

I was born 70+ years ago, baptized as Catholic, and I attend Masses without all this, except that the Mass is in vernacular so people understand it. The Magisterium allowed that change, and there is nothing wrong with that

Not the reform had to be rejected, together with the Magisterium which sanctioned it, but the abuses, which were not sanctioned.

 

[CradleCath]

If there is true dissidence (eg, calling for married priests) then try to find a good parish within your own rite. If by “dissidence” you mean fully employing the reforms of Vatican II, then the East isn’t for you.

Well, I as a Latin rite Catholic, have never attended a mass that “fully employed the reforms of Vatican II”. In the Masses I attended for 40 YEARS, there was no Latin, no Gregorian Chant, the priests have prayed them, “ad populum”, we’ve had Liturgical dancers, been required to receive the Eucharist in our hands & on & on.

Again, the Eastern Catholic Churches are not a dumping ground for disconnected Latins. If one truly loves the East or wants to learn about the east then that’s one thing. However, too often, so called “trads” come into Eastern parishes and obliterate them by trying to latinize them. We don’t want exactly care for having our churches hijacked by bitter Romans.

 

[laszlo]

I wouldn’t be so sure about that Lazlo. I followed their links “about us” & “open letters” & it seems that they have BEGGED three Bishops to help them & were ignored:

 

[CradleCath]

This is offensive to anyone that might prefer the NO and is a “serious Catholic”. I have friends that attend NO mass every week and holy day, follow the regulations set by our bishop and the Pope, they are most certainly serious Catholics - but they have no inclination to attend a TLM. Are they any less of a Catholic than someone that exclusively attends a TLM?

The OP points out some grievous issues at their parish, and many parishes also have similar issues, but this is most certainly not the case at all parishes that celebrate the NO Mass and parishioners that might prefer the NO are not necessarily any less of a Catholic.

Steve

I agree that there are some very faithful Catholics who attend the NO. Mass. However, you’re posting on the Traditional Catholic forum & most of us attend the TLM. That does not make us “more Catholic” than those who don’t…but perhaps we are more "seeking Catholics".

As I see the faces of the young parents (in their 20’s & 30’s) as they pray in the pews…those faces say, “I knew there was more”. Because they were seeking, they found it.

 

[CMatt25]

I agree that there are some very faithful Catholics who attend the NO. Mass. However, you’re posting on the Traditional Catholic forum & most of us attend the TLM. That does not make us “more Catholic” than those who don’t…but perhaps we are more "seeking Catholics".

As I see the faces of the young parents (in their 20’s & 30’s) as they pray in the pews…those faces say, “I knew there was more”. Because they were seeking, they found it.

I’m not even certain “seeking” is a better word. As it would seem to me “very faithful” Catholics whether TLM or NO, are all seeking the same thing. And one might even go beyond those and include all those who sincerely seek in their faith walks: Eternal life with Him in the kingdom of heaven forever and ever. And as far as we know, may have found it as well. Amen. God bless. Peace.

 

[CMatt25]

Actually the local Melkite parish has altar girls in procession and the hand shake of peace. They could actually use a few good trads there, LOL.

All should be welcome of course. But I’ve never understood statements like this if a parish offers each other the sign of peace for instance, and it is for the faithful a Church approved and allowable act. God bless and peace.

 

[ProVobis]

But I’ve never understood statements like this if a parish offers each other the sign of peace for instance.

Have you ever seen this work in a bilingual community where tensions can run really high?

 

[CradleCath]

CradleCath;7410322:

On the website the priest is a nameless Father. Honest people walk in light, they have name, past, clear connections with

others.

It says that retired priests from all over the Eastern coast say the Mass there.

B]A superficial web search names the priest as voyeur for underage boys, and indicated that the Church is kept alive by an anesthesiologist who first was against this priest now hires him.

Since Mass is said by visiting priests, I’m having trouble with understanding this, Lazlo. Please give us a link to the site that you’ve found.

"The Catholic Diocese in Harrisburg disagrees (that these are faithful Catholics). Practicing the Tridentine Mass is considered renegade by local Roman Catholic officials – the late Bishop Dattilo of the Diocese of Harrisburg refused to acknowledge it – and its members risk excommunication.

The Roman Catholic Diocese in Harrisburg labels the Traditional Catholics a sect, **out of step with major changes made to open the church up to the people after the Second Vatican Council in 1962-65". **

I read that the current bishop allows ONE LATIN MASS, HELD ONCE A MONTH, in the Harrisburg Diocese & it’s prayed in a high school auditorium. This is disobedience to the Pope’s Motu Proprio which asked for “liberal use” of the Traditional Latin Mass.