Am I allowed to Baptise people?
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MiserableSinner
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Wait what happens if there is no danger of death? Is it a sin?
I baptized my small daughter when she was sick. There was no danger of death that I was sure of, but it was in the middle of the night and I was thinking “just in case.”
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marymary1975
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Yes it is allowed.only in danger of death. I believe if there was no danger of.death it is.not valid. However I would recommend you to talk to a.priest to give you an.accurate answer as we don’t know.the details.of.the situation and.Our.answers here may not.be right. Go to your local.church and.check.with your priest.
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MiserableSinner
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I know that every baptism that is done with proper form “I baptize you in the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit” and with water is valid. The Holy Spirit comes and lives in that person. Literally God’s Spirit. That’s true even for Protestants. Even for Protestants who think they receive the Holy Spirit the moment they believe.
Do you mean illicit? It might be illicit. But is it a literal sin or just illicit?
Yes, it is sinful. Especially so if one does so against the parents’ will, e.g. grandparents baptizing their grandchildren in the tub.
No, it is valid even without danger of death; the person cannot be baptized again. But it is highly illicit. Violation of the Church’s law has a moral component, and is therefore sinful.
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MiserableSinner
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Is there any point at which it becomes a grave sin?
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Bookcat
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Catechism:
V. WHO CAN BAPTIZE?
1256 The ordinary ministers of Baptism are the bishop and priest and, in the Latin Church, also the deacon.57 In case of necessity, anyone, even a non-baptized person, with the required intention, can baptize58 , by using the Trinitarian baptismal formula. The intention required is to will to do what the Church does when she baptizes. The Church finds the reason for this possibility in the universal saving will of God and the necessity of Baptism for salvation.59
1239 The essential rite of the sacrament follows: Baptism properly speaking. It signifies and actually brings about death to sin and entry into the life of the Most Holy Trinity through configuration to the Paschal mystery of Christ. Baptism is performed in the most expressive way by triple immersion in the baptismal water. However, from ancient times it has also been able to be conferred by pouring the water three times over the candidate’s head.
1284 In case of necessity, any person can baptize provided that he have the intention of doing that which the Church does and provided that he pours water on the candidate’s head while saying: “I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”
scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c1a1.htm#1272
V. WHO CAN BAPTIZE?
1256 The ordinary ministers of Baptism are the bishop and priest and, in the Latin Church, also the deacon.57 In case of necessity, anyone, even a non-baptized person, with the required intention, can baptize58 , by using the Trinitarian baptismal formula. The intention required is to will to do what the Church does when she baptizes. The Church finds the reason for this possibility in the universal saving will of God and the necessity of Baptism for salvation.59
1239 The essential rite of the sacrament follows: Baptism properly speaking. It signifies and actually brings about death to sin and entry into the life of the Most Holy Trinity through configuration to the Paschal mystery of Christ. Baptism is performed in the most expressive way by triple immersion in the baptismal water. However, from ancient times it has also been able to be conferred by pouring the water three times over the candidate’s head.
1284 In case of necessity, any person can baptize provided that he have the intention of doing that which the Church does and provided that he pours water on the candidate’s head while saying: “I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”
scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c1a1.htm#1272
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marymary1975
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I.am.not.sure. May be illicit
that is why I am suggesting her to speak.with a.priest. I had with my own daughter an odd.baptism.situation. When I first spoke.with the priest he thought that my daughter needed to be.baptized again but after a little.more.digging he said.it.was valid but that my daughter was not a member of the Catholic.church. So it seems.that in my daughter’s case circumstances player a role.there. But because every situation may be different I think her best bet would be to.speak with a priest.
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Bookcat
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Catechism:
V. WHO CAN BAPTIZE?
1256 The ordinary ministers of Baptism are the bishop and priest and, in the Latin Church, also the deacon.57 In case of necessity, anyone, even a non-baptized person, with the required intention, can baptize58 , by using the Trinitarian baptismal formula. The intention required is to will to do what the Church does when she baptizes. The Church finds the reason for this possibility in the universal saving will of God and the necessity of Baptism for salvation.59
1239 The essential rite of the sacrament follows: Baptism properly speaking. It signifies and actually brings about death to sin and entry into the life of the Most Holy Trinity through configuration to the Paschal mystery of Christ. Baptism is performed in the most expressive way by triple immersion in the baptismal water. However, from ancient times it has also been able to be conferred by pouring the water three times over the candidate’s head.
1284 In case of necessity, any person can baptize provided that he have the intention of doing that which the Church does and provided that he pours water on the candidate’s head while saying: “I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”
scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c1a1.htm#1272
V. WHO CAN BAPTIZE?
1256 The ordinary ministers of Baptism are the bishop and priest and, in the Latin Church, also the deacon.57 In case of necessity, anyone, even a non-baptized person, with the required intention, can baptize58 , by using the Trinitarian baptismal formula. The intention required is to will to do what the Church does when she baptizes. The Church finds the reason for this possibility in the universal saving will of God and the necessity of Baptism for salvation.59
1239 The essential rite of the sacrament follows: Baptism properly speaking. It signifies and actually brings about death to sin and entry into the life of the Most Holy Trinity through configuration to the Paschal mystery of Christ. Baptism is performed in the most expressive way by triple immersion in the baptismal water. However, from ancient times it has also been able to be conferred by pouring the water three times over the candidate’s head.
1284 In case of necessity, any person can baptize provided that he have the intention of doing that which the Church does and provided that he pours water on the candidate’s head while saying: “I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”
scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c1a1.htm#1272
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MiserableSinner
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If there were uncertainties I am surprised he didn’t do a conditional baptism.I.am.not.sure. May be illicit
I baptized both of my daughters but just to make sure they were validly baptized I was planning on having conditional baptisms done. That way there can be no sin, from my understanding, and there can be a certainty of valid baptism. I am not certain if this is appropriate or not.
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phil19034
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Grave sin yes. Mortal sin, depends on whether you know you are breaking Church law.
If you Baptized your daughter and didn’t tell your parish priest, please tell him. If you already told your priest, then you should be fine.
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pianistclare
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Why would you not simply take them to the priest to be Baptized in the first place?
It likely is a grave sin already on its own.
Mortal sin subject to the other two subjective conditions.
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phil19034
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As FYI:
The Catechism actually says “In case of necessity”
But does not define what necessity is.
St. Thomas Aquines also says in “cases of urgent necessity” in the Summa Theologica
newadvent.org/summa/4067.htm#article3
“Urgent necessity” for baptism, given the definition of the sacrament, is the imminent loss of the salvation of the soul. This means danger of death ONLY.
Canon law specifically limits emergency baptism to danger of death only. This is what “urgent necessity” means in the context of baptism.
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Seamus_L
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My girlfriend has done 3 in the last 6 yrs. All were near death.
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marymary1975
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I think that is a very charitable.thing to do. I also know.a.labor.and.delivery nurse who has done.several baptisms in danger of.death of.newborns who.died.minutes or very soon after being.born.
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pianistclare
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Somehow I don’t think that was the scenario. Nurses baptize all the time. Totally different
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