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LilyM
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What does this person think confirmation is? Very much do with an imparting of the Spirit via the laying on of hands!
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johndoe100
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Yes, and I was thinking about that, but the Catholic Chrismatics in this Diocese seem to over lap with the Protesants? Also, during our Bible Studies there is a strong Protestant flavor. Whether that is good or bad? We have to leave it up to God.
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COPLAND_3
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I have printed Bibles pre-Vatican 2, and they all have prefaces from Popes encouraging reading the Bible. That’s why I find it bizzare when I hear older Catholics talk about how Catholics used to not be able to read the Bible. I see no evidence of that! Either there where clergy not doing their job catechizing, or that was a false rumor among some Catholic circles back then!
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johndoe100
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If I remember correctly, there was an advent of new bibles that were supposed to solve all of our interpretation problems? Both the Catholics and Protestants of that period were centered around these new bibles. I personally, believe that the 1611 King James Bible is the “word of god” for English speaking people. Luckily for me the new Ignatious Catholic study bible is based on the KJV and the Greek Texts.
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edwest2
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Whenever anyone ever tells anyone anything like this, ask them for a reference. Your Vatican II reference also needs a reference. Can you define what you mean by “new freedom”? I was there before and after Vatican II and most Christians had Bibles in their homes, and our Religion Class was all based on, and referenced to the Bible.
Can you provide a few examples of Bible verses you think the Church is not using?
Peace,
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edwest2
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It has become my impression that this is a falsehood that was/is being purposely spread or just being repeated by people who haven’t checked on this on their own.
Peace,
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johndoe100
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Ed, let’s face it, you are baiting me! In those days there were no Internet Search Engine Theologians. We simply went by what the priest told us during Mass. Please don’t bait
me into arguing againt the Catholic Church to strengthen your own faith. Let’s build our faith one to the other, that we may be mutually encouraged. (Romans 1:11,12)
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COPLAND_3
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Ed is asking a legitimate question with the right intention, this is Mother Church to us, and if our brothers are accusing Her of falling short then you best well be able to prove it or we cant sit here and allow our her to be accused of something that is the faults of some of Her children. Some examples of Scripture that the Church does not use is a contradiction since it was the Church that determined what Scripture is canonical.
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johndoe100
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I answered my own question in Posting #19 when a prayer group in the next town Laid on Hands and Imparted our Spiritual Gifts. (Romans 1:11,12) That was an opposite teaching from 3 days earlier in another prayer group in another town.
I am age 71, therefore you have no other choice but believe me, or write your own Church History. Why should I give a hoot, one way or the other?
My other statement about the priest telling us to apply these new Bibles to
our own life was pretty common in those early days After Vatican II. My 90
year old mother used that phrase when I was a kid, so it must have originated sometime during the mid 1930’s?
I am a retired engineer, so if you want to do battle with Internet search engines, let’s have fun doing it in a junk thread somewhere else. This is the Catholic Section.
I am age 71, therefore you have no other choice but believe me, or write your own Church History. Why should I give a hoot, one way or the other?
My other statement about the priest telling us to apply these new Bibles to
our own life was pretty common in those early days After Vatican II. My 90
year old mother used that phrase when I was a kid, so it must have originated sometime during the mid 1930’s?
I am a retired engineer, so if you want to do battle with Internet search engines, let’s have fun doing it in a junk thread somewhere else. This is the Catholic Section.
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johndoe100
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Seeing how I’m the OP of this thread, I did the search for the answer:
Fr. Felix Just has compiled the statistics you’re looking for. The short answer: Over a three-year cycle Sunday Masses include 3.7% of the Old Testament (plus Psalms) and 40.8% of the New Testament. If you add weekday Masses you’ll hear 13.5% of the Old Testament (plus Psalms) and 71.5% of the New Testament.
Fr. Felix Just has compiled the statistics you’re looking for. The short answer: Over a three-year cycle Sunday Masses include 3.7% of the Old Testament (plus Psalms) and 40.8% of the New Testament. If you add weekday Masses you’ll hear 13.5% of the Old Testament (plus Psalms) and 71.5% of the New Testament.
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COPLAND_3
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I respect your age and experience, but on the other-hand I understand that people have experienced things and can develop a perception that’s not always accurate to reality due to isolated incidents. And I believe that you are being honest about your feelings because your not the only one that I have heard this from, but the thing that I think is important is that the Church never tried to stop people from reading the Bible, but there has been lousy clergy and lax Catholics that have been a stumbling block for many people, hindering the mission of the Church to strengthen members. There is not much that irritates me any more than “Catholics” who distort the beauty and mission of the Church by their lack of interest in the Church’s true teachings and their horrible representation of being Catholic. These are the ones that were a stumbling block for me when I was in the process of converting to Catholicism. These were the people that I remember I zealously coming to and asking them about the Catholic faith and them looking at me with that deer in the headlight look, knowing nothing about Scripture and Tradition, and not interested in talking to me, after being Catholic for many years. By the grace of God I managed to find Catholics who were on fire for their faith, which gave me reassurance that I was on the right track.I answered my own question in Posting #19 when a prayer group in the next town Laid on Hands and Imparted our Spiritual Gifts. (Romans 1:11,12) That was an opposite teaching from 3 days earlier in another prayer group in another town.
I am age 71, therefore you have no other choice but believe me, or write your own Church History. Why should I give a hoot, one way or the other?
My other statement about the priest telling us to apply these new Bibles to
our own life was pretty common in those early days After Vatican II. My 90
year old mother used that phrase when I was a kid, so it must have originated sometime during the mid 1930’s?
I am a retired engineer, so if you want to do battle with Internet search engines, let’s have fun doing it in a junk thread somewhere else. This is the Catholic Section.
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johndoe100
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COPLAND 3,
You really went off on the deep end. The conflict was about (Romans 1:11,12) and the Impartation of Spiritual Gifts. The first Catholic Prayer Group forbid it, but later after I posted this thread, I attended another Catholic Prayer Meeting where we Imparted our Spiritual Gifts one to the other by laying our hand on the person to the left, and then we reversed and put our hand on the person to the right. We were sitting at a
large conference table in a Catholic Church.
Like I told someone else in this thread, stop baiting me
unto denouncing the Catholic Church. In my opinion, baiting a person into discrediting the Catholic Faith is the same as doing it yourself.
You really went off on the deep end. The conflict was about (Romans 1:11,12) and the Impartation of Spiritual Gifts. The first Catholic Prayer Group forbid it, but later after I posted this thread, I attended another Catholic Prayer Meeting where we Imparted our Spiritual Gifts one to the other by laying our hand on the person to the left, and then we reversed and put our hand on the person to the right. We were sitting at a
large conference table in a Catholic Church.
Like I told someone else in this thread, stop baiting me
unto denouncing the Catholic Church. In my opinion, baiting a person into discrediting the Catholic Faith is the same as doing it yourself.
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Vico
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The RSV 2nd Catholic Edition is used for the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible which is from the Douay-Rheims (Alexandrian texts) rather than the KJV (Antiochian texts).
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johndoe100
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That is interesting, because I have been under the impression that RSV was the National Councel of Churches Bible. From what I gather? The Catholic Church never joined the Councel, and changed (by agreement) certain verses to the Catholic Tradition to come up with the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible.
The RSV was known as the American Standard Version which was a revision of the King James Version published in 1911.
The large paper back Ignatius that I have here has 9 full pages of Introductions. It wasn’t all that expensive in Paperback. Had a lot of good information.
$16.76 at Barnes & Noble
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Vico
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Ignatius Study Bible is based on the Revised Standard Version 2nd Catholic Edition.
Yes the RSV is from the NCCB and the RSV is ASV, but is not based upon the same set of texts as the KJV.
These Bibles are based upon the Textus Receptus:
- Coverdale Bible (1535) / The Great Bible (1539)
- Geneva Bible (1557-1560)
- Bishop’s Bible (1568)
- King James Version 1611 (and Dr. Benjamin Blayney’s final revision, 1769) Authorized Version
- New King James Version (1982)
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johndoe100
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If the Ignatius mentions the text in the introduction, I haven’t found it yet? What the Introduction says, "In 1937 it was decided to make a revision to the Standard Version which should “embody the best results of modern scholarship as to the meaning of the Scriptures and express this meaning in English diction which is designed for use in public and private worship and preserves those qualities which have given to the King James Version a supreme place in English literature.”
In the English speaking world it’s impossible to alienate the King James Version. It’s all around us.
In the English speaking world it’s impossible to alienate the King James Version. It’s all around us.
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COPLAND_3
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I’m not trying to bait you into saying bad things about the Church, but I must say that some things you say on this thread, including the title of the thread, baits loyal Catholics to get defensive. Even the title makes it sound as if being Catholic is in opposition of the Bible, which is rediculous. Sorry that it offends you when people question some of the things you say, but that’s the reality of a forum.
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COPLAND_3
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By the way, if you decide to denounce the Church because loyal Catholics question some of your words that give the impression that the Church is wrong Biblically, then that’s not the fault of us. That’s a matter of your own issues that need worked out.
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Nicea325
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You can lay your hands on someones head. I had a nun at a Youth Confirmation retreat do it for me. As long as no one is being anointed with oils.
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johndoe100
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Thanks, that’s good information, because we have a gal in our
prayer group who sells little bottles of anointing oil.
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