Am I doubting? How can I stop doubting?

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What you’ve described sounds like a great system on paper, but something impossible to achieve in practice. Or else, to achieve it I must abandon reason which seeks explanation, and give myself entirely over to emotion and what might be called “mind games”: “He hurts me because he loves me; he hurts me because it’s good for me, and good for others! My pain is helping people I cannot see in ways I do not know!” If a woman does this to justify a relationship with another human, we call it a mental disorder and insanity and the relationship abusive, but if she does it with God, we call it piety. Doesn’t that strike you as odd?

“Oh, but the difference is that God has the power to actually obtain this good, whereas humans clearly do not.” How does that justify God requiring someone to suffer before He will help someone else? Is this not sadism?

Or to approach what you’ve written another way, woe to me that my parents encouraged me to go to college, where they taught me to always systematically seek explanations to make sense of reality. Your method – which seems the same as St. Therese of Lisieux – appears to be instead to favor any ad hoc explanation that results in defense of Christian dogma. I do not see how this makes good use of reason or glorifies God. Rather, it seems even to demean His creation, making humans something less than human, rather more like sheep that exist solely for what they can give to their shepherd.
Impossible in practice? I am living it 🙂 If it was not so I would have left Catholicism and even Christianity long ago.

Sadism? He must be a sadist then in letting Christ, His own Son Who He loves even more than us, suffer then.

Anti-reason? That’s funny for me, who has a BS in Molecular Biology and Biotechnology, and a Doctor of Medicine. Besides, you probably missed the thing about being more than conquerors.

And the thing is, even though my wording seems a bit pessimistic, it is actually more than optimistic: it is glorious.

*"If we let Christ into our lives, we lose nothing, nothing, absolutely nothing of what makes life free, beautiful and great.*No!*Only in this friendship are the doors of life opened wide.*Only in this friendship is the great potential of human existence truly revealed.*Only in this friendship do we experience beauty and liberation.*And so, today, with great strength and great conviction, on the basis of long personal experience of life, I say to you, dear young people: Do not be afraid of Christ!*He takes nothing away, and he gives you everything.*When we give ourselves to him, we receive a hundredfold in return.Yes, open, open wide the doors to Christ – and you will find true life."
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Please refute my objection about sadism; don’t just brush it off. It seems plausible that God really could enjoy suffering, especially since He cannot be truly harmed by it. So your reference to God suffering crucifixion etc. does not refute the objection.

I also want you to say more about Pope Benedict’s quotation: For me, Jesus takes away my freedom to escape from my suffering into fantasy (He increases the suffering if I try to do so), and He gives me so much suffering that it prevents me from working my way out of poverty, and makes me want to die. So rather than encourage me, Pope Benedict’s quotation only discourages and disenfranchises me, as it appears another example of the Church being mistaken.

(Your response to my critique of being contrary to reason was an ad hominem fallacy, which supports my argument insofar as it hints at recurrent bad logic, but I don’t want to argue that point: Your joy in all suffering could be reasonable if one has a demonstrable basis for such profound trust in God.)
 
Well, I’m trying to do that, in part because I have no other choice that doesn’t lead to even greater misery.

How do you square that with Jesus’ revelation of God as Father, and God as love?

“Why? Would you please help me understand this, or explain to me a little of what is going on?”
“I’m ignoring you, and I want you to stop asking.”

This is not the act of a loving father. No, God does owe us an explanation, if He is to be our Father (children have a right to various things from their parents), and that is why He’s given us the Bible (and, I suppose, the Holy Spirit to interpret it for us after Baptism).
Does a father explain every detail to his toddler? Sometimes the answer is simply ‘do what I tell you to; you will understand when you are older’ and this isn’t always an unloving response.

The purpose of all of this is to ultimately form us; to conform us to Jesus Christ (which of itself requires suffering). We grow in patience (among other things) when we are forced to wait; to bear patiently with our tribulations and to press on in faith. We simply cannot stomp our foot and say ‘TELL ME NOW!’ that sort of response tends to earn some well deserved discipline from a father. Nevermind how insolent it is for us petty men of clay to take that attitude toward the God of all Creation. I see nowhere that God has promised to tell you, or me or anyone else, His eternal will in this life at least. If He chooses to tell some why He asks certain things of them, or why they suffer in such and such a way, then that is His business if He wants to dispense such a special grace. Truly, there will be a time (provided we happily make it to Heaven) that we will likely have answers to our questions, but as for now, we ‘see in a mirror dimly.’

1 Corinthians 13:12-13 RSVCE
“For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall understand fully, even as I have been fully understood. So faith, hope, love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.”
 
+JMJ+
Please refute my objection about sadism; don’t just brush it off. It seems plausible that God really could enjoy suffering, especially since He cannot be truly harmed by it. So your reference to God suffering crucifixion etc. does not refute the objection.
Unfortunately you cannot brush off the Crucifixion. Unlike any person who can be evil, God cannot be evil by definition. So unless you use a different God the Crucifixion still stands. See also Romans 8:32.
I also want you to say more about Pope Benedict’s quotation: For me, Jesus takes away my freedom to escape from my suffering into fantasy (He increases the suffering if I try to do so), and He gives me so much suffering that it prevents me from working my way out of poverty, and makes me want to die. So rather than encourage me, Pope Benedict’s quotation only discourages and disenfranchises me, as it appears another example of the Church being mistaken.
I am really sorry for your trials. I have been praying for you.

But it is just because you do not want to give up your freedom that you are not free.

The basic act of freedom, you see, is to give itself away. If you want to go somewhere now, you cannot be at the same time be going somewhere else. If you want to do something now, you cannot be doing something else. It is only in giving away your freedom freely that you become truly free.

True spiritual joy’s price is very steep, but the prize is not only true joy but also true freedom. It is the power to be as powerful as God Himself, because you would be doing and resting in God’s Will and Power.

It is not something that the Church is mistaken, but it is something that the saints have proven time and again.
(Your response to my critique of being contrary to reason was an ad hominem fallacy, which supports my argument insofar as it hints at recurrent bad logic, but I don’t want to argue that point: Your joy in all suffering could be reasonable if one has a demonstrable basis for such profound trust in God.)
I just showed I am like you: “my parents encouraged me to go to college, where they taught me to always systematically seek explanations to make sense of reality” (as I copy and pasted) applies to me too. If you call an ad hominem fallacy on my part, well same to you. Call it a weakness to snark, for which I apologize.
 
Unfortunately you cannot brush off the Crucifixion. Unlike any person who can be evil, God cannot be evil by definition.
You are assuming that our conception of God must match the reality of God. (Or to put it another way, that the god of the philosophers must be the god of Abraham.) It is possible for God to exist contrary to our rational conception of Him, precisely because He existed before our thoughts, and especially since we are known to be fallible in our reasoning. (If this error isn’t possible, please tell me why.)
But it is just because you do not want to give up your freedom that you are not free.
It’s not that I don’t want to give my freedom to an all-perfect being. It’s that I don’t have confidence that the Catholic Church is correct – that is, that I would be making the right decision to put all my confidence in someone who lived 2000 years ago who other people tell me is God. The Quran promises everlasting torment for Christians, and I do not see that the Christian god has eased my suffering, so there seems a reasonable possibility that the Quran is true and the Church is false, and that it would be a grave mistake to entrust myself fully to the Christian conception of God and declare that my suffering is “a good thing”, rather than a punishment as a sign to repent of erroneous attributions of divinity to other persons.

I have tried to please God, and I have tried to “taste and see that He is good,” but I keep sinning despite my best efforts, and the last time I received Holy Communion my throat began hurting after I swallowed, and now I am sick. So either what was only a wafer gave me a cold due to unwashed hands, or God is punishing me and I don’t know why or how to successfully beg Him to stop, or I am helplessly confused and would be better off dead than continue thinking in circles – and yet I cannot stop thinking and praying, as it is my only means of seeking after God. And yet God remains absent, and so I hate my life and hope this illness turns fatal.
 
+JMJ+

Again, sorry I haven’t been able to reply right away due to family and personal reasons.
You are assuming that our conception of God must match the reality of God. (Or to put it another way, that the god of the philosophers must be the god of Abraham.) It is possible for God to exist contrary to our rational conception of Him, precisely because He existed before our thoughts, and especially since we are known to be fallible in our reasoning. (If this error isn’t possible, please tell me why.)

It’s not that I don’t want to give my freedom to an all-perfect being. It’s that I don’t have confidence that the Catholic Church is correct – that is, that I would be making the right decision to put all my confidence in someone who lived 2000 years ago who other people tell me is God. The Quran promises everlasting torment for Christians, and I do not see that the Christian god has eased my suffering, so there seems a reasonable possibility that the Quran is true and the Church is false, and that it would be a grave mistake to entrust myself fully to the Christian conception of God and declare that my suffering is “a good thing”, rather than a punishment as a sign to repent of erroneous attributions of divinity to other persons.
Ah, I see. A very noble reason: we are talking about giving your freedom to Someone who you do not know. I completely understand: it did take me more than a decade of convincing myself that the Catholic faith is the one true faith and giving myself to the Holy Trinity and His Church fully.

How I got to such a faith, however, is so convoluted that it may not be of much help to you to tell the whole story. I might, however, give you some shortcuts on how to at the very least find yourself to where you should go.

The major tip I think is that the shortest and most direct way to choose a faith is to look at the results. What do the best practitioners of each faith look like?

Of all the faiths, it is the best practitioners of Catholic and Orthodox saints that impressed me the most. As Dale Ahlquist said:

There may be outstanding individuals in history who did one thing well or lived notable and worthy lives: Buddha, Confucius, Spinoza, Gandhi, Martin Luther King and so on. But whoever you want to name, not one of them, not one of them, compares with the smallest saint, with St. Maria Goretti, with the Little Flower, with Don Bosco, with St. Francis de Sales, with Blessed Miriam Baouardy, with Mother Teresa. One saint is enough to prove the truth of the Church. But we have hundreds and hundreds, every one of them with an exemplary life worth contemplating and imitating

catholiceducation.org/en/culture/catholic-contributions/everything-proves-it.html

But not only that: I found you can also judge faiths by how they have affected society. And in that, nothing, and I mean nothing, beats the Catholic faith. Watch this series, it is a very interesting watch (at least for me): youtube.com/watch?list=PL57857981F3CC5D78&v=m5siHd1P5zk
I have tried to please God, and I have tried to “taste and see that He is good,” but I keep sinning despite my best efforts, and the last time I received Holy Communion my throat began hurting after I swallowed, and now I am sick. So either what was only a wafer gave me a cold due to unwashed hands, or God is punishing me and I don’t know why or how to successfully beg Him to stop, or I am helplessly confused and would be better off dead than continue thinking in circles – and yet I cannot stop thinking and praying, as it is my only means of seeking after God. And yet God remains absent, and so I hate my life and hope this illness turns fatal.
I am really sorry to hear that. You do know that I have been praying for you.

I found that, when it comes to trials, especially in those that really make no sense or even seemingly shows God’s negligence to me, it is these trials that eventually show me God’s love for me the clearest.

For example, I have struggles with masturbation, and this had been going on for years. I have prayed for so long for the Lord to deliver me from this vice because I have tried my best to cultivate good habits to supplant them, but still I fall.

Then, inexplicably, I was able to not do it for more than a month. I was ecstatic! Finally I was able to kick off that habit. And yet I started to become careless with my eyes and movements, and eventually I fell again.

I was devastated when that happened, but after looking back, I saw that I was committing already the sin of pride. I was praying less, giving myself more rewards with respect to games and foods, and not doing my house chores and such things. I even recalled more than a few times telling the demons. “See how my Lord is protecting me? I have full confidence in Him! Give Us your best shot! I will not fall again!”

With that episode, the Lord showed me how prideful I actually was, and He would rather have me suffer in my shameful vice than let me commit the much worse vice of spiritual pride and conceit.

Of course that does not give me the excuse to slacken my fight against sin, but the Lord showed me I have to be more patient with myself and trust more in the Lord that He would someday save me from it.
 
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