Am I God?

[Stuckinavortex]

The mind can only do, what the mind believes it’s possible to do. If I believed that I could say to the mountain, be ye cast into the sea, then it would be so. And thus the only thing constraining me…is me…

Then why don’t you cast a mountain into the seat? Or why don’t you make a mountain taller then Everest?
Furthermore, how does this belief mesh with the ideas of Christianity, which you claim to follow?

 

[Partinobodycula]

Try to live as if you really didn’t know that and report the findings.

I have done so for over forty years, and my conclusion is that life is a very precious thing. And the only thing keeping it from be even more-so, is me.

 

[Partinobodycula]

Incorrect. If this were true then psychotic people who believe they can fly would be able to fly.

No, they would be able to fly, if I believed that they could fly. What matters is what I believe, not what they believe.

Except for everything… ever. All the science, all the history, all the people who were alive long before you were born. Your parents, for example, who birthed you. If they hadn’t existed, you wouldn’t exist. you are a contingent being who relies on external forced to maintain your existence.

You’re assuming again, that it’s the stuff that gave rise to me, and not I who gave rise to the stuff. And that includes my parents.

 

[Partinobodycula]

If the mind created ht world around it, the world around each individual would be consistent with their mind’s ideal for it.

No their worlds wouldn’t be consistent with their ideals, because along with what the mind hopes is true, is what the mind fears is true, and reality is a rational balance between the two. Between hope and fear. Love and hate. Vengeance and forgiveness. Sinner and saint. Reality is reflection of the good as well as the bad.

Since human experience of the physical reality is consistent, that is, I experience a building int he same way you do, then we know that the mind is not creating it, only interpreting it.

Seriously, this is grade school philosophy.

They’re the same, because I expect them to be the same. And they’re different in so much as I expect them to be different.

 

[Partinobodycula]

If it was the other way around, then I could just make things pop into existence with the power of my mind. But it doesn’t work that way. Only in lucid dreams does it work that way.

No, reality isn’t simply a manifestation of what you want to be true. It’s a reflection of what you expect to be true based upon both what you hope will be true, and what you fear will be true.

 

[Partinobodycula]

Have you ever seen all of creation simultaneously

Yes, if everything exists within my own mind, then anything that I’m not currently experiencing only has the potential to exist, but doesn’t actually exist.

 

[Partinobodycula]

This is a literal impossibility. You cannot be both cause and effect, because and effect cannot exist without the cause that caused it, and an effect is also separate form the cause that caused it. The effect may affect he cause, but it is not the cause itself.

Would you agree that absent time, cause and effect must be simultaneous? Are the effects of God’s actions simultaneous with His willing them, or is there a delay?

I’m not going to waste any more time arguing with you, because it’s obvious you have no real interest in learning.

Then don’t argue, reason. State why I’m wrong, not simply that I’m wrong.

Are you sure your name’s not Bahaman?

Hopefully my english is a little better than Bahman’s.

 

[LethalMouse]

Yes, if everything exists within my own mind, then anything that I’m not currently experiencing only has the potential to exist, but doesn’t actually exist.

Nice try, but that is not how it works.

Actually something can exist if God looks away… he doesn’t, but it can.

 

[Partinobodycula]

Then why don’t you cast a mountain into the seat? Or why don’t you make a mountain taller then Everest?

Because I lack faith. Things behave as I expect them to behave. Even in my reality there’s something to be said for faith.

Furthermore, how does this belief mesh with the ideas of Christianity, which you claim to follow?

Because in my reality it takes hope to overcome fear, and my hope rests not in some church, or in some dogma, but in an ideal represented by a man on a cross. The ideal of giving one’s self for others. In changing myself to such an ideal I hope to change not only myself, but everything.

 

[PraiseChrist]

I realize that there are very few people on this forum capable of appreciating the depth of this question, and doubtless no one capable of answering it, but still there may be those here who have something to gain or offer in regards to this question. So I thought that I would open the topic up for discussion.

Am I God, in the sense that I’m the creator of everything that I see around me?

I realize that the knee-jerk reaction is to regard this question as nothing more than trolling, but I assure you, the question isn’t as farfetched as it might at first appear, and the answer not as self-apparent as you assume.

Am I the creator of all that I see? Am I God?

Before the time of your birth, the universe was functioning just fine without us, so we aren’t necessary. You can’t give what you don’t have

 

[MPat]

I have done so for over forty years, and my conclusion is that life is a very precious thing. And the only thing keeping it from be even more-so, is me.

No, you haven’t lived as if you didn’t know you were not the one who created everything, as if solipsism might have been true.

In fact, you didn’t even argue in this thread in such way.

Start by looking at this very claim you made. Isn’t that a claim that you know something? That you know you have been a solipsist “for over forty years”? Where’s the doubt?

And such your claims to know things are numerous in this thread.

No, they would be able to fly, if I believed that they could fly. What matters is what I believe, not what they believe.

The mind can only do, what the mind believes it’s possible to do. If I believed that I could say to the mountain, be ye cast into the sea, then it would be so. And thus the only thing constraining me…is me.

You’re free to judge me as you see fit. That 's your right. But if you think that I’m vain, or egotistical, or narcissistic, or arrogant, then you’re sadly mistaken.

Why don’t you ask, how do you know any of those things?

Sorry Ceelos, I’m working on it. I’m only human.

Um, so, when that is useful, you claim to be “only human”?

But, of course, it gets better:

I’m simply asking a question. One that has indeed been asked many times before, by men far wiser than me.

Did you notice? You pretend to think it might have been that no one existed before you. Yet now you are talking about men wiser than you who existed before you.

So, couldn’t even play your role for a day?

So much for “over forty years”…

And, of course, I’ll repeat my question that you have skipped. You ask how you will get the answer without considering the question - thus, how will you find the answer by pretending that you do not know it when, in fact, you do know it?

 

[CeelosDeznos]

Of course I can’t tell you your name, but all that proves is that I’m not what you imagine God to be. But the very fact that I’m asking the question shows that I don’t really know what God should be, that’s why I’m asking. I’m not asking if I conform to your understanding of God, because obviously I don’t. I’m just trying to figure out what God might be, and reason dictates that God might be me. You and everything else might be nothing more than just the product of my own mind.

The creator of everything, might be me.

I have not imagined the Creator to be anything. God has called me several times in my life by name, and I am not the only one here who has had that experience.

You didn’t supply my name and gave an evasive reply because you cannot even prove a thing and you know it. Even evil spirits could tell you my name. You can’t even prove you are a cursed spirit, let alone the Creator.

Repent of your evil and may the One and only God of Abraham have mercy to grant you repentance in Jesus’ name.

 

[Partinobodycula]

Before the time of your birth, the universe was functioning just fine without us, so we aren’t necessary. You can’t give what you don’t have

As far as I know, there’s no such thing as before the time of my birth, in any objective sense. It may be that the world is nothing without me. It may also be that I am nothing without it.

 

[Partinobodycula]

Did you notice? You pretend to think it might have been that no one existed before you. Yet now you are talking about men wiser than you who existed before you.

So, couldn’t even play your role for a day?

So much for “over forty years”…

You need to understand that I’m talking about reality’s “existence” in two different senses of the word. An objective sense, and a subjective sense. To you the world is objective, and concrete, and physical. To me it’s subjective, and abstract, and ethereal. But that doesn’t mean that the world isn’t just as precious and real to me as it is to you, maybe more so. Because to me every child that suffers, suffers because of me. Every pain that’s endured, is endured because of me. The world isn’t “unreal” to me. The world is very “real” to me. I cry because of it, and hope because of it, and love it because of it. I am as much nothing without it, as it is without me.

So when I speak of those who have come before me, don’t think that I have “slipped up” and forgotten that they’re not “real”. I know very well what I’m saying. You want to know what it means to have lived with solipsism for over forty years, well that’s what it means. It means that my world is just as real to me, as yours is to you. But more than that, it means that the only real sinner here, is me. The only one in need of redemption, is me.

And, of course, I’ll repeat my question that you have skipped. You ask how you will get the answer without considering the question - thus, how will you find the answer by pretending that you do not know it when, in fact, you do know it?

Because if solipsism is true, then the doubts made manifest in you are merely reflections of the doubts that reside in me. So when I look at you, I see myself. I can’t judge you. I can’t dismiss you. I can only try to change you, or perhaps you can change me. Either way I’m the better for having listened.

 

[Partinobodycula]

I have not imagined the Creator to be anything. God has called me several times in my life by name, and I am not the only one here who has had that experience.

You didn’t supply my name and gave an evasive reply because you cannot even prove a thing and you know it. Even evil spirits could tell you my name. You can’t even prove you are a cursed spirit, let alone the Creator.

Repent of your evil and may the One and only God of Abraham have mercy to grant you repentance in Jesus’ name.

You’re right, I can’t prove anything. I wonder however, are you willing to admit the same?

 

[CeelosDeznos]

You’re right, I can’t prove anything. I wonder however, are you willing to admit the same?

My claims are not the issue. You can’t provide any evidence that my claims can’t be proven or that it is a real issue at all. If it was, others would be making the same demands.

No, this suggestion right here of yours is called a “red herring.” It’s a distraction during a forensic debate designed to draw attention away from the main point at issue. It is what is known as a “logical fallacy.” While it may raise plausible issues, in the end they are irrelevant. It is a tactic of diversion.

The real issue is not whether I can prove anything, but that you’ve failed in your claims. Turning the tables can’t work to do anything but make you look like a worse failure and imposter because it shows your desperation.

This introduction of a side issue is saying: “Don’t point at me for failing to prove my issue that I raised. Let’s shine the light at you to turn the attention away from my failure and let’s see if I can sneak away under this type of smoke screen.” Sorry, but not falling for that.

But I will add this. The fact that I can succeed in defending my God is a promised sign of those God blesses to speak His truth. It is written:

“Show me a sign of your favor,
That my foes may see to their shame
That you, O Lord, console me and give me your help.” --Psalm 86:17.

A sign that one comes from God is their speech that cannot be denied. “No one has ever spoken as this man does,” they said of Jesus at John 7:46. And Jesus stated: “Everyone who is sufficiently trained will be like his teacher.”–Luke 6:40.

The “sign” of God’s blessing can be that a speaker is like their teacher Jesus, someone that cannot be fought against. The real proof is the wisdom seen in your speech. Can you see the teacher Jesus in the student who has been trained by him? Does he speak with undeniable wisdom like the Lord? If you really want to be like God, learn from Jesus. Learn to speak like him. I promise you, if you do this, you will have your proof.

 

[PraiseChrist]

With all due respect, there is no evidence that you are God. And this isn’t really a difficult question, we’re giving more attention to this thread than necessary…You are experiencing the universe through your own POV, everyone else is also, even animals.

If you say that you are all that there is, why not saying that someone else is all that there is? What if they claim that they are all that there is? Are you going to believe them?

 

[IWantGod]

Am I the creator of all that I see? Am I God?

The act of existence is God, but your nature is not. God is permeating you.

 

[Graceful_Lamb]

Absolutely not!

The question is blasphemous.

There is no way that you have created everything around you.

God has created everything around you, including yourself. Nature, everything that we use/have, etc.

God is way bigger than any of us.

 

[njlisa]

Are you by chance influenced by French philosopher René Descartes? We know his statement: I think therefore I am.

That’s just a small piece of his argument. That’s not where he stopped.

So, are you a Cartesian or not?