Amazon Synod idols cast in River Tiber today

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Sarcelle said:
We shouldn’t be angry then if Fundamentalist Baptist’s enter our Churches and smash statues of Our Lady.
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If someone brought a statue of our lady into a fundie church or a mosque or a synagogue and it got smashed or thrown into a river, I wouldn’t feel offended by anyone except the person who put it in that church/mosque/synagogue in the first place.
 
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No, in the Summa , Aquinas gives several examples where taking is not stealing. For example, if someone has no food they are permitted to take food from another who has surplus of food since “all property becomes common property”
 
Aquinas11 said:
No, in the Summa , Aquinas gives several examples where taking is not stealing. For example, if someone has no food they are permitted to take food from another who has surplus of food since “all property becomes common property”
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I was gonna make this point but let it go to avoid getting into a debate about theft. Private property is not absolute in Catholicism: so sometimes people have a right to “take” what might otherwise be your property. Private property is a convenient institution, to help organize society and share social goods but it is not an absolute and all property belongs, ultimately to God and no individual person.
 
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Sarcelle said:
I see theft and vandalism.
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Not so fast. The Pope and the Cardinals were too focused on accommodating the culture of the Amazonians into Christianity that they lose sight of some very basic principles. I am sure they have very good intentions, but it is sometimes justifiable to do something equally drastic to wake them up and tell them that they were going too far when they permitted the Amazonian idols to be displayed in our sacred places.

Actually, the act of throwing the idols into the river was not so much an act against the Amazonians, but our displeasure at the Pope and the cardinals for permitting these idols to be placed in our sacred places. This is why it is not necessary to ask their permission to throw away those idols, because the act was directed against them. Our Lord never asked the Pharisees if He could overturn the tables of the moneychangers in the temple, did He? That is because the Pharisees were the ones responsible for permitting the temple to be used as a marketplace. Christ was outraged.

Being polite and courteous, respecting the rights of others, etc. – these are “laws of ethics” that have their place at the proper time and given the proper circumstances. They do not apply all the time and in all circumstances. During a time of war, for example, you don’t ask your enemies permission if you could burn their camps and armories, do you? Right now we are at war with liberal theologians who are trying to destroy our Faith. You call the act of getting rid of the idols theft? Well, under a different set of circumstances. I’d say yes. But these liberal theologians are using these idols to deceive us about what Christianity is all about. They are sneakily trying to steal the true faith from our children and from millions of unsuspecting Catholics worldwide. Isn’t that a bigger theft?
 
No. It was not their property. It is theft. Furthermore, it is theft from Church property. Deus vult? Then people are talking about how Catholics don’t use coercion. This is an example of using force to impose beliefs. This act should be condemned. Instead it is celebrated.
 
They are idols being displayed in a Catholic Church. It is blasphemy according to catholic teaching. It doesn’t matter what the pope says.
 
Jesus said, “My Father’s house…” These vandals did not own the house or the property they stole. They are low down robbers, committing a crime deserving of prison.
 
pnewton said:
No. It was not their property. It is theft. Furthermore, it is theft from Church property. Deus vult? Then people are talking about how Catholics don’t use coercion. This is an example of using force to impose beliefs. This act should be condemned. Instead it is celebrated.
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I absolutely disagree with your attempt to paint this as coercion or force to impose beliefs. We’re defending our faith from pagan idolatry.

How is this forcing or coercing anybody???
 
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pnewton said:
Jesus said, “My Father’s house…” These vandals did not own the house or the property they stole. They are low down robbers, committing a crime deserving of prison.
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It is our father’s house. Maybe you don’t consider your adoption valid, but many Catholics do. 😉
 
Agreed, it is far more serious - millions of souls are threatened.
 
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Rubee said:
There’s no persecution. I think we need to tone down the hyperbole. It was a pagan idol in a catholic ceremony and was thrown out. I blame the prelates who insisted on it in the first place.
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I mean, if there was persecution, they could have thrown the prelates in as well
 
pnewton said:
These vandals did not own the house or the property they stole. They are low down robbers, committing a crime deserving of prison.
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This logic could be used to condemn someone for stealing slave masters key and releasing his slaves.
 
Crusader13 said:
Seriously?!?!! Low down robbers huh. Rather then try to defend the pagan idolatry (which you can’t) you decide it’s better to attack those who destroyed the idols.

Nice.
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Aquinas11 said:
This logic could be used to condemn someone for stealing slave masters key and releasing his slaves.
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Amen! It’d also call Jesus a low down robber committing a crime deserving of prison. 🙂 I agree with the criticism by Petra on cowardice but some here are outraged that a pagan deity’s image was removed from the place we’ve set aside to worship the Eucharist. Interesting times.
 
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Aquinas11 said:
This logic could be used to condemn someone for stealing slave masters key and releasing his slaves.
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Private property is nothing absolute in Catholicism. More important values/goods justify taking things that might otherwise belong to others, thank you for that teaching St. Thomas Aquinas. 🙂
 
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