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miguel
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It was in the local news at the time. They made a big deal out of Bishop Wegand’s insistence that the “deathscort” teacher was fired. It was discussed on this forum back in the Fall of 05.
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elts1956
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“Deathscort” who was that? I was in Hawaii vacationing for the past four years, so I missed it, or was I in Australia? Thanks.
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elts1956
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For HEAVEN’S SAKE WOMAN/MAN! Read my other posts. If you think I am in agreement with ANY pro death stand, then pigs fly. Did you read Rachel’s post #38 about NDU’s rules of ANYONE protesting on campus? If I HAVE to prove myself to you, read my posts on other threads.
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aggiecatholic05
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- i didnt think you were in agreement openly, but this is an us and them issue there is no middle ground on abortion.
- i read the posts. some rules are good others arent. we are under no obligation to obey the unjust ones-and yes i think a rule keeping prolifers off a Catholic campus is an unjust one. i also suggested they protest on the sidewalks. even on campus if a public street runs through it the accompaning sidewalk is public too.
- i never said you had to prove your self to me. i also did not intend to imply it. however we seem to disagree on how to handle this issue. i think we owe it to the unborn to do everything in our power to stop this.
- during the civil rights movement people were willing to be arrested for going places they werent wanted and saying things people didnt want to hear. people had sitins at restraunt counters knowing theyd be arrested, but tey did it anyways for their principals, and i wont fault a Catholic for protesting this holocaust even if they go into it knowing they will be arrested.
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Stonehouse
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Like Martin Luther King Junior, Alan Keyes is taking a stand on behalf of the weak and innocent at a time in history when much sacrifice is required for doing so and no personal benefit accrues. This is sanctity! By contrast, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are merely posturing for a cause long since won. The world applauds them, and they have been rewarded handsomely. This is opportunism. A sincere inquiry will always reveal this distinction between those on the one hand who take up the cross and those on the other who merely take up the collection basket. The hero (in spiritual language, the saint) stands for the word of God even when all the world despises Him for it. The demagogue (in spiritual language, the “poverty pimp”) is by contrast committed not so much to the cross as to the spoils. Where a man’s treasure lies, there lies his heart also!
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canadianguy1143
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Same goes for me as well!Having seen elts1956’s previous posts on this issue, I just want to offer moral support. Sure comes across as very strongly pro-life to me.
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Norminha
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I thought we were discussing the arrest of Keyes, not nationalities. We live in America, the land of the whole world, thanks God.
Before anything else, I am a CHILD OF GOD, citizen of heaven
Before anything else, I am a CHILD OF GOD, citizen of heaven
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Rach620
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Of course there is no middle ground on abortion–but there are many, many different ways of working against it to build a culture of life. Just because someone won’t fall in lock-step with Randall Terry in this case doesn’t mean that they’re not pro-life.
On this issue, ND students are listening to the Bishop of Fort Wayne-South Bend, John D’Arcy–whom Terry has criticized, comparing him to Peter as a betrayer of Christ–who issued this statement weeks ago:
If our own bishop won’t stand behind the types of protests Terry and aggiecatholic seem to endorse, why should anyone else?
You can’t just claim a university regulation is “unjust” in this particular instance because you want to. The University is not keeping prolifers off the campus. Anyone who will put away the signs and the “unseemly and unhelpful” attitude is more than welcome to join the NDResponse-led Mass, rally on the quad, and prayer service.
There are no public streets running through Notre Dame’s campus. It is an incredibly pedestrian-friendly campus with public roads only on the outskirts. The planned protests along Michigan Street and Angela Blvd will only affect those traveling by car to campus from the highway and will probably not be seen by many students. The rally planned on South Quad as well as the prayer service at the Grotto during Commencement time will be more likely to affect students and their families with a more prayerful form of witness. A cemetery of the innocents will be erected across from the entrance to the Joyce Center where Commencement is held. Anything more “unseemly” is not supported by our bishop and should not be encouraged by Catholic pro-lifers.
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miguel
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That was the term used to describe the workers/volunteers who escort women into the abortion clinic to protect them from all those evil rosary sayers.
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aggiecatholic05
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the bishop is intitled to his opinion but he is not infallible. i notice he never said what constituted an ‘unhelpfl’ protest. by the posts here it has been shown that the use of these graphic images to show the horror of abortion has saved the lives of the unborn-thats the exact opposite of unhelpful.
as to the street thing, i admitted i had not been there and didnt know, that was just a suggestion.
as to the street thing, i admitted i had not been there and didnt know, that was just a suggestion.
- so if by chance he were pro-choice would that mean we should all be too?(not saying he is just making a point)
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Bennie_P
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Ambassador Keyes did what is praised so much by Rosa Parks, Martin Lurther King and many others and it is protesting by an act of civil **disobedience. **
When Rosa Parks said no to going to the back of the bus it was an act against the law at the time and place. Sometimes one must in order to get the attention of others do just that break the law and in this case it was not an unjust law, trespassing, but it was a peaceful way of making a point and getting media coverage for the case against abortion (immoral, unjust, evil and violates nature law), politicians that pander to it and Catholics that pander to it as well as the politicians.
What really gets me is how many of the same people, Catholics included, that oppose what Keyes and Terry did, speak so ofton how grand of another person, Ghandi, who is sighted as the father of the use of civil disobedience, yet when he did it it provoked violence against the protestors which resulted in thousand to to be killed. And here with what Keyes and Terry did, they provked no violence at all, in a protest of the murders of millions that continues in each and every day,
It is sad that when a Catholic acts in a peaceful protest he is condemned by fellow Catholics (I expect it from the pro-aborts) and called a self-seeking oportunist, but when a Hindu does it and causes thousands to be killed he is called a man of peace. I think we all need to take some time to do a reality check -
Of course sometimes I think way too many claim to be Catholic but don’t just fail to live up to that claim (we all have our failures and fall short) but go out of their way to disgrace themselves and the Church in despite of that claim, such as priest that run Catholic universities and politcians that vote for and pander to the pro-abort agenda…
May God have mercy on the American Catholic Church
When Rosa Parks said no to going to the back of the bus it was an act against the law at the time and place. Sometimes one must in order to get the attention of others do just that break the law and in this case it was not an unjust law, trespassing, but it was a peaceful way of making a point and getting media coverage for the case against abortion (immoral, unjust, evil and violates nature law), politicians that pander to it and Catholics that pander to it as well as the politicians.
What really gets me is how many of the same people, Catholics included, that oppose what Keyes and Terry did, speak so ofton how grand of another person, Ghandi, who is sighted as the father of the use of civil disobedience, yet when he did it it provoked violence against the protestors which resulted in thousand to to be killed. And here with what Keyes and Terry did, they provked no violence at all, in a protest of the murders of millions that continues in each and every day,
It is sad that when a Catholic acts in a peaceful protest he is condemned by fellow Catholics (I expect it from the pro-aborts) and called a self-seeking oportunist, but when a Hindu does it and causes thousands to be killed he is called a man of peace. I think we all need to take some time to do a reality check -
Of course sometimes I think way too many claim to be Catholic but don’t just fail to live up to that claim (we all have our failures and fall short) but go out of their way to disgrace themselves and the Church in despite of that claim, such as priest that run Catholic universities and politcians that vote for and pander to the pro-abort agenda…May God have mercy on the American Catholic Church
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aggiecatholic05
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excellent, excellent post. :tiphat:Ambassador Keyes did what is praised so much by Rosa Parks, Martin Lurther King and many others and it is protesting by an act of civil **disobedience. **
When Rosa Parks said no to going to the back of the bus it was an act against the law at the time and place. Sometimes one must in order to get the attention of others do just that break the law and in this case it was not an unjust law, trespassing, but it was a peaceful way of making a point and getting media coverage for the case against abortion (immoral, unjust, evil and violates nature law), politicians that pander to it and Catholics that pander to it as well as the politicians.
What really gets me is how many of the same people, Catholics included, that oppose what Keyes and Terry did, speak so ofton how grand of another person, Ghandi, who is sighted as the father of the use of civil disobedience, yet when he did it it provoked violence against the protestors which resulted in thousand to to be killed. And here with what Keyes and Terry did, they provked no violence at all, in a protest of the murders of millions that continues in each and every day,
It is sad that when a Catholic acts in a peaceful protest he is condemned by fellow Catholics (I expect it from the pro-aborts) and called a self-seeking oportunist, but when a Hindu does it and causes thousands to be killed he is called a man of peace. I think we all need to take some time to do a reality check -
May God have mercy on the American Catholic Church
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AnimalGal
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No, I like “publicity hound”.
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elts1956
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Thanks. I didn’t put the two words together.
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elts1956
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Gracias.
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colliric
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For some reason This sounds like something familar from a Star Trek debate over Spock…
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elts1956
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I don’t know when you were a student, but I was in Grade school during the 40s amd 50s. Went to Catholic schools through Grade, High School and had a bit of Catholic college education when schools that said they were Catholic really were Catholic.
I think you would agree that Catholic Culture is almost an unknown in these days. I think there is a time and a place for expressing both one’s Catholic Culture and one’s anti abortion beliefs and values. I truly think the ND pro life students are expressing more of our Catholic Culture while they are expressing their pro life values than has been seen in decades. Notre Dame at one time, in a distant past, was a beacon of Catholic culture. It is no longer, so I am happy to see these students expressing themselves by protesting bo’s appearance at NDU in a Catholic way.
I congratulate the students on handling this scandal as best they can by upholding not only their pro life values, but also saying, “Here we are, we are Catholic”. “We place this day in Our Lady’s hands”.
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elts1956
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Yeah, but Spock had a green complexion and pointed ears. One could tell he was Vulcan by the ears. :bounce:
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