American Catholic Church

[Veridical16]

And no, I am not asking permission for anything. I simply do not find your reading of it persuasive when looking at history.

And I am not leaving anything. Just thinking out loud after attending a funeral.

Sounds like you’re falling trap to sola scriptura, we are not protestants, we have a Magisterium and a Pope, to clear up our own interpretations that often leads us to come to a false interpretation when we rely on our own individual private judgments ( that ultimately ends up justifying many sins for instance; divorce, promiscuity, adultery)

We are not to follow Martin Luther’s approach, all one has to do is look what happened to him.

And I old also quote scripture about vain traditions and mouths talking but hearts far away, but I won’t.

But You did, and that does not rebuke the Catholic Church, nor does it say anything about tradition itself. It says “vain” traditions, or superficial gestures, there are those with hearts united with God who uphold big T traditions, as well as little t, traditions…

 

[TexanKnight]

Sounds like you’re falling trap to sola scriptura, we are not protestants, we have a Magisterium and a Pope, to clear up our own interpretations that often leads us to come to a false interpretation when we rely on our own individual private judgments ( that ultimately ends up justifying many sins for instance; divorce, promiscuity, adultery)

We are not to follow Martin Luther’s approach, all one has to do is look what happened to him.

But You did, and that does not rebuke the Catholic Church, nor does it say anything about tradition itself. It says “vain” traditions, or superficial gestures, there are those with hearts united with God who uphold big T traditions, as well as little t, traditions…

not falling into any trap. The question, though, is when did certain traditions start. Just because something is called a tradition does not mean is TRADITION

 

[Cristiano]

The American Catholic Church is neither in communion with Rome nor Catholic. Most of the sacraments that they perform are invalid and their chosen explanation of the sacraments is just plain stupid because goes against how they are defined by scripture and tradition.

 

[livingwordunity]

not falling into any trap. The question, though, is when did certain traditions start. Just because something is called a tradition does not mean is TRADITION

The Catechism of the Catholic Church answers all of these questions. And the CCC provides further reading with copious references to Church councils, Papal encyclicals, the early Church fathers, Catholic saints, and other works of Christian antiquity. From the way you describe it, it sounds like someone is trying to exploit your emotions by trying to use an emotional event such as a funeral to try to talk you out of the true Catholic Church and into a false one that calls itself “catholic”. The Catechism of the Catholic Church can answer your questions better than we can here. So, I strongly recommend it. It’s available on the Vatican’s official website here: vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

If you have further questions, it’s likely that it’s been asked and answered by one of the Catholic Answers apologists on this website. And here’s a good online resource for Pope John Paul II’s Theology of the Body: crossroadsinitiative.com/library_category/37/Theology_of_the_Body.html.

 

[Veridical16]

not falling into any trap. The question, though, is when did certain traditions start. Just because something is called a tradition does not mean is TRADITION

When you look back at the Church history there is glaring continuity – especially through the letters of the early Church Fathers, you’ll find the Tradition of the Chuch
St. Irenaus and St. Ignatius of Antioch, and St. Polycarp, are some to reference.

The Didache is also an indication of Tradition, that the Church has been the Church since the beginning. Then one can see that emphasis of Tradition through the Popes

If one wants to argue the disciplines (like Meat on Fridays; fasts before the Mass) that have changed that is not necessarily related to the Tradition I’m referring to, but the Bible was born , out of the Tradition established by the Church Christ founded and instituted, not the other way around. So Tradition & Scripture go hand in hand.

I don’t know what you’re objecting to as far as questioning which “tradition” or part of Tradition is suspect or about what is and what isn’t, as the folks in this thread pointed out how this particular parish branch is not in communion with Rome.

And as Jesus says,* “Those who do not gather with me, scatter”*

 

[Blessed_is_He]

I would love to stay Roman Catholic but I feel rejected by them.I am gay with a family. 9I feel the American Catholic is where we belong although I do not agree with married or female priests and also the open communion but what else can I do when my son will ask US why do we have to hide who we are.It tears my heart out leaving the church but I have to.

 

[ccmcmg]

I would love to stay Roman Catholic but I feel rejected by them.I am gay with a family. 9I feel the American Catholic is where we belong although I do not agree with married or female priests and also the open communion but what else can I do when my son will ask US why do we have to hide who we are.It tears my heart out leaving the church but I have to.

Blessed Is He,

May God bless you and guide you on the path He wants you to take.

I don’t have the answers, but I know He does. What they are for you, I do not know, but I pray that you will find your path in this lifetime.

Peace,

 

[EvangelCatholic]

Let us look at it…

25And Jesus knowing their thoughts, said to them: Every kingdom divided against itself shall be made desolate: and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand. 26And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself: how then shall his kingdom stand? 27And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28But if I by the Spirit of God cast out devils, then is the kingdom of God come upon you. 29Or how can any one enter into the house of the strong, and rifle his goods, unless he first bind the strong? and then he will rifle his house.

30He that is not with me, is against me

Again, taken with Luke 9, it sure seems to be saying that just because you do n ot do things exactly the same way does not mean you are not of God.

And again, what some complain about is that form (tradition) often overrules substance. Jesus decried the traditions of men.

Should’t we be careful?

I think your understanding of Scripture and being non-judgemental will continue to serve you well. What you question is what the Vatican is also beginning to question.

Anyway, the church you describe sounds Episcopalian or Lutheran where other former Roman Catholics have joined.

 

[EvangelCatholic]

Sounds like you’re falling trap to sola scriptura, we are not protestants, we have a Magisterium and a Pope, to clear up our own interpretations that often leads us to come to a false interpretation when we rely on our own individual private judgments ( that ultimately ends up justifying many sins for instance; divorce, promiscuity, adultery)

We are not to follow Martin Luther’s approach, all one has to do is look what happened to him.

But You did, and that does not rebuke the Catholic Church, nor does it say anything about tradition itself. It says “vain” traditions, or superficial gestures, there are those with hearts united with God who uphold big T traditions, as well as little t, traditions…

What happened to Martin Luther? Is it the same Luther that Pope Benedict spoke of?

In his address Benedict makes a number of key points regarding Luther. First, there is Luther’s “burning question”, as Benedict puts it: “what is God’s position towards me, where do I stand before God?” This remains the central question of life today, even though many people don’t realize it.

Second, there is Luther’s Christ-centered spirituality. For Luther, “This God has a face, and he has spoken to us. He became one of us in the man Jesus Christ – who is both true God and true man,” explains Pope Benedict. According to Luther, Christ is the interpretative center of the Bible, notes Benedict, which presupposes “that Christ is at the heart of our spirituality and that love for him, living in communion with him, is what guides our life.”

Benedict clearly thinks on both of these points Luther is right and that calling attention to this fact is important for all Christians today
firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2011/09/26/why-pope-benedict-like-martin-luther/

 

[benjohnson]

I would love to stay Roman Catholic but I feel rejected by them.I am gay with a family.

You are in my prayers.

We all have our personal and persistent sins. And even though the Law condemns us all for the willful sinners we are, the Gospel gives us true hope in Him.

That even though you feel rejected by the church, you are not rejected by Him. We are called to repent and sin no more - but even though we sin, again and again, and repent again and again, God grants us undeserved love and grace.

I urge you not to abandon the Catholic faith that has sustained you. Instead, draw strength from it and Him who loves you as a father loves a child.

Again, you are in my prayers.

 

[livingwordunity]

I would love to stay Roman Catholic but I feel rejected by them.I am gay with a family. 9I feel the American Catholic is where we belong although I do not agree with married or female priests and also the open communion but what else can I do when my son will ask US why do we have to hide who we are.It tears my heart out leaving the church but I have to.

Why not repent and go to Confession? That’s what those who you say you feel rejected by do when we sin. It seems that you are assuming that heterosexuals have it easy. But, believe it or not, heterosexuals don’t have it easy with the sins that we have to struggle with. In fact, there are sins that I have struggled with nearly all my life. But I don’t blame the Catholic Church for my sins. It’s easier to make the Catholic Church into a scapegoat than to admit that we are the ones who have the problem. If we say that we have no sin what did Christ die for? For Christ to forgive our sins and save us from them we have to admit that we have sins that need to be forgiven. The one who is self-righteous is the one who says he has no sin. But if we say we have no sin then we are guilty of at least one sin which is pride.

 

[cmodrmac]

per roman catholic tradition is not the Eucharist valid -if consecrated by a Male with valid Orders ( not necessary licit orders)-we have an Old roman catholic Church (Carfora derived) that had an ecumenical service with our Church-I spoke to the Priest-he very much felt he had valid orders

I ask for clarification one of the prior posts stated that when a Church ordained a woman their orders lost all validity? - I can buy in RC thinking that the woman would be invalid per Papal edict but would the entire sect loose valid orders ( realizing from a RC perspective -the orders would not be licit)

My Aunt was a member f the Pus the V ( not the X) society and I attended her funeral-Priest with back to people-Latin- women with hats et al-they felt they had valid orders

So if a sect ordains one woman -ALL the Priest loose their valid orders ???

 

[cmodrmac]

*[/We are not to follow Martin Luther’s approach, all one has to do is look what happened to him.I]

He did pretty well -helped stop some abuses and founded a large faith community that exists to today*

 

[cmodrmac]

[II would love to stay Roman Catholic but I feel rejected by them.I am gay with a family. 9I feel the American Catholic is where we belong although I do not agree with married or female priests and also the open communion but what else can I do when my son will ask US why do we have to hide who we are.It tears my heart out leaving the church but I have t]

attend the Church where you are accepted -stay with the Old Catholics or swim the Thames where you will be accepted and loved as one of God’s children

 

[ccmcmg]

[/We are not to follow Martin Luther’s approach, all one has to do is look what happened to him.*

He did pretty well -helped stop some abuses and founded a large faith community that exists to today

Hmmmm, I think most of this Catholic forum that you are on would disagree for the most part… I’m going to stick with the Church ‘founded’ by Jesus Christ.