American Girl -"I can" campaign promotes Roe

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We live in the United States where our ancestors came for freedom of religion and speech, etc.**

It seems like ‘to me’ that all the posters want a Catholic view on such matters. The United States is not Catholic or any other ‘religion’… rather it shouldn’t be.

I don’t see that these posters to this thread want a “Catholic” view on the issues stated. I know many non-Catholics out there who believe the same things such as abortion being wrong. And, as I am not Catholic (yet–RCIA doesn’t end until Easter for me 😃 ), I cannot claim my view as a Catholic.

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What I don’t like is a group of ANY belief system that complains about any sort of situation such as this.

I think first and foremost this is a group of concerned mothers who do not approve of the connection between American Girl and Girls, Inc. and the message this relationship is saying to consumers. Yes, it does include Catholic thinking (such as not supporting abortion or contraception), but the agenda is not pushing Catholic beliefs on anything.

Corporate America should not be promoting such issues. Do you not see a conflict of interest when a company whose statements claim that they want to protect the innocence of children, then supports a group that undermines that innocence?

anne1234 said:
Again, write your letters and refrain from buying their products. But to want to stop someone else’s opinion and message is wrong.

So, are you saying that those who wrote letters, and changed things such as no prayer in school, or removing the 10 Commandments from government buildings, or even taking the Pledge of Alligance out of school (or trying to) are right? I may not agree with those people, however, they have the right to promote, and try to stop someone else’s opinion and message. What makes this forum and what we are doing so different from them?

You are free to your own opinion, however, to try to knock down our efforts is not charitable.
 
I sent my letters today. Great job, everyone! Keep fighting the good fight!
 
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anne1234:
**We live in the United States where our ancestors came for freedom of religion and speech, etc…

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That etc, would be the freedom of life.

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It seems like ‘to me’ that all the posters want a Catholic view on such matters. The United States is not Catholic or any other ‘religion’… rather it shouldn’t be.
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What I don’t like is a group of ANY belief system that complains about any sort of situation such as this.

Again, write your letters and refrain from buying their products. But to want to stop someone else’s opinion and message is wrong.

As parents, we will teach our children what we believe and hope they will accept and learn what we believe is true.

But to have a mindset to try and stop a whole company such as AG and their campaign for whatever reasons is wrong.

She isn’t into it much at all now, but is bombarded with other messages from magazines, t.v., movies, friends…
and alot of these messages are pro abortion, contraception, sexual activities, etc.

I talk with her all the time about all these issues.
Living in a free country, she will always hear other views.
My husband and I are doing our job as parents to educate her to issues such as these and we give her the facts.

She is 14 and I feel comfortable with our relation ship and we, her father and I, believe we are doing a good job. We know she will hear and see and read about other ideas.


Actually, the *Right *to LIfe according to the Declaration of independance and protected under the Constitution, is my main motivator. Although my Catholic faith, which I live by, supports this concept, I am also a strong and patriotic American.

Our United States of America was founded on the principal that Life should be protected. I believe that this goes much deeper than the surface. I believe that, even those who have no voice, should be protected.

I feel the responsibility to speak up for those who cannot speak themselves, yet feel the physical pain, YES, actually feel the pain of their own abortion. This is more than a Catholic issue.

The Right to Life is a Civil Rights issue. And is protected by the Constitution of the United States. Roe V. Wade was built on the Supreme Courts decisioin that they could not ,at that time, determine when life begins, so could not prohibit a woman from having an abortion. Since Roe was passed, scientists have a much clearer understanding of when life begins.

I find it disturbing that a *wanted *premature baby is afforded all the protection of the law and medical technology available, whereas a child in the womb, even a few weeks younger or months older, can be destroyed on a whim, with no protection under the law., no anesthesia for pain, often born alive to die alone in a trash can or empty room, in excruciating pain, unwanted , unloved. unprotected.

We could all take the easy route of “brushing it under the rug” and making the excuse of “its a free country, people have their own differeing ideas etc.”

Not too long ago human slaves were considered property in the United States. Not too long ago, far too may Americans justified slavery by dehumanizing African Slaves, making the excuse that they were not fully human. What if abolitionist had simply said

“Well, its a free country, The Slave Owners should be able to have their own ideas…after all what kind of future would the plantation owners have if they had to give a salary to their workers, they would lose their happiness and prospeterity!”

Our culture is doing the same thing with Unborn babies. In order to accept abortion we must ignore the humanity of the living baby, to say he or she is not fully human, and does therefore not have a right to life. You see this repeating all throughout human history. This mentality of dehumanizing members of our human race has lead Nazis to murder millions of people!

Wake up! Ask yourself why a 24 week old premature baby is allowed to fight for life, is afforded all the protection of the law, and medical care Whereas the same baby in the womb can be killed up until the point of birth in a late term aboriton?

This issue is far greater than “differing American ideas in a free country”

The Southern State slave owners thought it was “wrong” to try to put a stop to their ideas

The Nazi’s thought it was for the world to try to stop their great ambition. (Also please note that Pre WWII Germany’s slow acceptance of teh Nazi regime, began with “mercy killing” and Abortion. and soon made way for killing people who were mentally ill, termally ill , mentally retarded, of what they considered to be a lesser race, and then to all those who objected to their “mission” )

To not try to stop an injustice, to not aim to change unjust laws, we would be bad Americans indeed, without any responsibility toward the human race, and those who cannot speak.
 
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Again, write your letters and refrain from buying their products. But to want to stop someone else’s opinion and message is wrong.
There are far too many *wrong *ideas that have been stopped in various cultures throughout history, by people who simply cared about their fellow human beings, and natural law.

Slavery

Apartheide

Genocide

Abortion

Infanticide

Discrimination against women

Racism

Child labor

Unjust war

Certainly, there are many “ideas” on this list which you could concede are “opinons and messages” which should be stopped, or that you are happy *were *stopped. There is much work to be done to promote justice, freedom and the protection of life for every human being.

To be passive and not try to stop an unjust law or practice would be wrong. To not speak out agains injustice, even for those who cannot speak for themselves would be wrong. American’s deserve the right to life and women deserve the Truth about abortion, in fact they deserve much better than abortion.

Parents who want better for their daughters than abortion, and who want other parents to have this information, have every right to practice their freedom of speech, political influence and to know where their money is going when they buy a product, and be very carerful that their money is going to help women and girls, rather than hurt them.

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I had started a thread on this over in Culture of Death. Thanks 1ke for pointing me here…

As an aside,
There was a major controversy here in the Chicago area recently over a latino American Girl doll because her story line describes her family moving away from the Pilsen neighborhood in Chicago because it was too dangerous. We had aldernen, community leaders, and parents threatening Matel all over the news. I bet this one doesn’t even get a mention in the regular press or TV news. :mad:

Now that I think about it, her parents moved the family to Des Plaines! Maybe I could go over to their house and protest…
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Just to keep everyone up to date, this was the reply from Feminists for Life, I thought it was a good response and charitable. 🙂
Thank you again for the information. We are aware of concerns about American Girl and Girls, Inc. LifeNews.Com has also published an article about it, encouraging people to take action. We are glad that you contacted American Girl directly.
Feminists for Life is a small organization with limited staff and resources. We must focus on our specific mission: “Feminists for Life of America recognizes that abortion is a reflection that our society has failed to meet the needs of women. We are dedicated to systematically eliminating the root causes that drive women to abortion—primarily lack of practical resources and support—through holistic, woman-centered solutions. Women deserve better than abortion.” Feminists for Life works especially to secure practical resources and support for the group at greatest risk of abortion, college and university women.

The most effective response to American Girl will probably be direct communication from concerned parents and teachers. If further action regarding American Girl is required, we recommend contacting an organization with a broader mission, like National Right to Life.



NOTICE:

Feminists for Life’s new address is

P.O. Box 20685

Alexandria, VA 22320

Feminists for Life of America

www.feministsforlife.org

“Abortion is a reflection that we have not met the needs of women. Women deserve better than abortion.”

REFUSE TO CHOOSE® WOMEN DESERVE BETTER®
 
I have a question. Do all of you really feel that ALL breast cancer survivors are pro choicers? or have used ABC or have had an abortion??!! I hope i am just reading this wrong.
 
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TarAshly:
I have a question. Do all of you really feel that ALL breast cancer survivors are pro choicers? or have used ABC or have had an abortion??!! I hope i am just reading this wrong.
In answer to your question, are all breast cancer survivors pro-choice—absolutely not…I do not believe that.

I’m a bit confused…what are you reading here that ties abortion to breast cancer to American Girl? Did I miss something?
 
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jimmytoes:
I had started a thread on this over in Culture of Death. Thanks 1ke for pointing me here…

As an aside,
There was a major controversy here in the Chicago area recently over a latino American Girl doll because her story line describes her family moving away from the Pilsen neighborhood in Chicago because it was too dangerous. We had aldernen, community leaders, and parents threatening Matel all over the news. I bet this one doesn’t even get a mention in the regular press or TV news. :mad:

Now that I think about it, her parents moved the family to Des Plaines! Maybe I could go over to their house and protest…
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I started this thread in family because my main intent was to get the word out to fellow parents so they could make informed decisions about their daughters and the “I Can promise.” The word is out to Pro-life and Pro-family groups, it is really good to have threads in the Pro-life forum, since it is mainly in the Pro-life domain. I probably should have thought to post the information there too, when I started this one.

My daughter wasn’t interested in that doll you mentioned, so we haven’t read the book. It is a modern hispanic girl who is a dancer. Thanks for the info, I didnt’ know anything about the protests in Chicago!
 
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TarAshly:
I have a question. Do all of you really feel that ALL breast cancer survivors are pro choicers? or have used ABC or have had an abortion??!! I hope i am just reading this wrong.
What would make you have that impression?

Cancer has many, many triggers. Many are still unexplained. However, there are many things which we know to increase the risk of cancer. For example: a person who is around carcinogenic chemicals such as uranium will have a far greater risk of having cancer. So too will a person around asbestos. A person who smokes cigarettes. A person who smokes cigars or pipes. A person who used to smoke cigarettes. A person exposed to second-hand smoke. Each of these increases the risk of cancer, but some in far greater amounts than others. However, there are still people who don’t have any of these triggers and still contract lung cancer.

No one here is arguing that those with breast cancer are pro-choice. What they are arguing is that having an abortion has been scientifically linked to increasing the risk of breast cancer. Pro-choicers refuse to give this information to women and girls considering abortion and actively fight any law that would require them to give this information.

When the OP asked what the girls are told by Girls, Inc about abortion, the response was, “Just the facts.” She asked if the “facts” included the facts, like the increased risk of breast cancer and emotional distress, etc. She was told they are not told any of that negative stuff.

In a joke (playing on irony) someone said that next American Girl would promote a doll for breast cancer awareness. The irony would be that at the very same time they were making people “aware” of breast cancer and its potential triggers, symptoms, etc, they would be encouraging girls to do something which would increase their risk of breast cancer but refusing to tell them about it.
 
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auppie:
In answer to your question, are all breast cancer survivors pro-choice—absolutely not…I do not believe that.

I’m a bit confused…what are you reading here that ties abortion to breast cancer to American Girl? Did I miss something?
she may be referring to post 49 in this tread.

Arlene
 
Please don’t read more into what I say then what I wrote. This is not about abortion or contraception.

Love you all,
Kathy Gibbs
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TarAshly:
I have a question. Do all of you really feel that ALL breast cancer survivors are pro choicers? or have used ABC or have had an abortion??!! I hope i am just reading this wrong.
I think that the things you mention have an impact on breast cancer. The majority of women that have been victims of this horrible cancer are just that victims. As a 58 year old woman I have known and still know many women that have this cancer. Some of them fell into the categories you mentioned, but, most did not. Some are still with us after many years of being cancer free. Some have died.

But IMHO, just as my melanoma is random, and probably would have happened anyway, the situation can be made worse under certain circumstances. As an informed woman I try to avoid what I can. Teach others what I know. Go on with my life as best I can. What happens now is in Gods hands.

But, we are all obligated to be informed about our own bodies and help others understand theirs.
 
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Arlene:
she may be referring to post 49 in this tread.

Arlene
Post #49:
Speaking of the Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer stuff…

http://www.lifeissues.org/AbortionBreastcancer/komen/fact_sheet.pdf

It’s keeping with the topic somewhat. The fact sheet details how Susan G. Komen foundation supports Planned Parenthood, yet never is it mentioned the link between abortion and breastcancer.
The link here between breast cancer and abortion is the same irony. A foundation that is there to fight against breast cancer is monetarily supporting a foundation that refuses to warn girls and women about an increased risk of breast cancer. This is not a statement about those with breast cancer, but on the charitable giving practices of a specific foundation, and the irony of the foundation giving money to a group that fundamentally undoes some of the work the original foundation is doing.
 
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auppie:
In answer to your question, are all breast cancer survivors pro-choice—absolutely not…I do not believe that.

I’m a bit confused…what are you reading here that ties abortion to breast cancer to American Girl? Did I miss something?
Someone posted side information about the Komen foundation giving money to Planned Parenthood, just to let us know. Mattel (who owns American Girl and Barbie) has a Breast Cancer awareness Barbie, which donates money to this foundation. I think the poster who gave that information was trying to show us that we need to be careful where we donate our money, because just as the “I Can” promise from American Girl goes to “Girls Inc.” which promotes abortion, The Komen foundation has apparently given money to Planned Parenthood and does not give women medical information regarding the fact that Abortion is a risk factor for breast cancer.

We certainly do not believe that all breast cancer surviviors or people who donate to the Susan Komen foundation are pro- Choice, but those of us who are concerned about their affiliation with Planned Parenthood, and not giving women all the information regarding the higher risk of cancer after an abortion, may want to consider seeking out another breast cancer foundation. Information is power.

I feel a moral obligation to seek out pro-life medical organizations when I donate money. (not supportive of abortion or fetal or embryonic experimentation, cloning etc.) I wish charitable organizations were more careful to stick to the charity they are promoting, rather than sticking things like this in. March of Dimes also refuses to give parents the crucial information that if they have had an abortion, they are at an increased risk for miscarriage, and they give abortion as an option for disabled babies. This is something Pro-life ppl are concerned about. March of Dimes used to list it in their pamphlets as a risk factor, but recently removed it so as not to offend anyone.

Americans, as a whole, have alot of money to spend and I feel I have a moral obligation to try to spend it in a way that does not promote the culture of death.

Try not to let the Breast cancer topic invade this thread, but the poster of that information had a good point about charitable organizations, and it was relative to the topic. 🙂
 
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Peace-bwu:
Someone posted side information about the Komen foundation giving money to Planned Parenthood, just to let us know. Mattel (who owns American Girl and Barbie) has a Breast Cancer awareness Barbie, which donates money to this foundation. I think the poster who gave that information was trying to show us that we need to be careful where we donate our money, because just as the “I Can” promise from American Girl goes to “Girls Inc.” which promotes abortion, The Komen foundation has apparently given money to Planned Parenthood and does not give women medical information regarding the fact that Abortion is a risk factor for breast cancer.

We certainly do not believe that all breast cancer surviviors or people who donate to the Susan Komen foundation are pro- Choice, but those of us who are concerned about their affiliation with Planned Parenthood, and not giving women all the information regarding the higher risk of cancer after an abortion, may want to consider seeking out another breast cancer foundation. Information is power.

I feel a moral obligation to seek out pro-life medical organizations when I donate money. (not supportive of abortion or fetal or embryonic experimentation, cloning etc.) I wish charitable organizations were more careful to stick to the charity they are promoting, rather than sticking things like this in. March of Dimes also refuses to give parents the crucial information that if they have had an abortion, they are at an increased risk for miscarriage, and they give abortion as an option for disabled babies. This is something Pro-life ppl are concerned about.

Americans, as a whole, have alot of money to spend and I feel I have a moral obligation to try to spend it in a way that does not promote the culture of death.

Try not to let the Breast cancer topic invade this thread, but the poster of that information had a good point about charitable organizations 🙂
Thanks for the update…I did miss something somewhere. Guess that’s what I get for trying to do this at work
 
I think part of the reason the issue with American Girl has struck a nerve perhaps more so than the Susan Komen Foundation and Starbucks boycotts is two-fold:
  1. money raised by Komen/earned by Starbucks may incidentally go to PP; however that is not the primary focus of either entity when you spend your money with them;
  2. Komen and Starbucks’ target market is adults–who, whether you agree or disagree, can put their money where their values are. AG, by contrast is marketing DIRECTLY to children and selling an item (bracelet) with one message, the proceeds of which go directly and substantially towar funding an entity with quite a different mission. Kids can be sold the trinket, without ever understanding the inappropriateness of the organization who is benefitting from the fundraising.
 
It’s made the AP wire! 😃
Jennifer

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Groups Threaten to Boycott American Girl
By DAVID CRARY
AP National Writer

NEW YORK — American Girl, manufacturer of a highly popular line of dolls and children’s books, has become the target of conservative activists threatening a boycott unless the toy maker cuts off contributions to a youth organization that supports abortion rights and acceptance of lesbians.

The protest is directed at an ongoing American Girl campaign in which proceeds from sales of a special “I Can” wristband help support educational and empowerment programs of Girls Inc., a national nonprofit organization which describes its mission as “inspiring girls to be strong, smart and bold.”

American Girl, whose often patriotic products have long had a loyal following among conservatives, issued a statement Friday defending its support of Girls Inc. and assailing the protest campaign.

“We are profoundly disappointed that certain groups have chosen to misconstrue American Girl’s purely altruistic efforts and turn them into a broader political statement on issues that we, as a corporation, have no position,” the statement said.

The Mississippi-based American Family Association, in a campaign launched Wednesday, is urging its members to demand that American Girl halt support for Girls Inc., which it called “a pro-abortion, pro-lesbian advocacy group.”

“Let American Girl know they are making a terrible mistake,” AFA chairman Don Wildmon said in a statement. The AFA says it has more than 2.2 million members.

The Pro-Life Action League, a Chicago-based anti-abortion group, also is asking supporters to contact American Girl to express dismay. The league’s executive director, Ann Scheidler, said her organization might call for a boycott of American Girl’s products and organize picketing at its stores in Chicago and New York if the company doesn’t sever ties with Girls Inc.

“Parents need to know that this effort to promote self-esteem among girls is not as innocent as it seems,” Scheidler said. “While Girls Inc. has some good programs, they also support abortion, oppose abstinence-only education for girls, and condone lesbianism.”

American Girl, a subsidiary of Mattel Inc., said the “I Can” initiative supports three specific Girls Inc. programs — building girls’ skills in science and math, developing leadership skills, and encouraging athletic skills and team spirit.

“All of these aims are appropriate to our 7- to 12-year-old American Girl fans,” the company said. “The American Girl brand exemplifies the values of wholesomeness and responsibility that we would expect any organization to commend.”

Girls Inc., which traces its roots back to a center founded in Waterbury, Conn., in 1864, serves about 800,000 girls a year, many of them black or Hispanic and most from low-income families.

The “advocacy” page on its Web site lists some of the positions that roused conservative ire — for example a clear endorsement the 1973 Roe v. Wade court decision establishing a woman’s right to abortion.

Girls Inc. also supports a girl’s right to have access to contraception and pledges support for girls dealing with issues of sexual orientation.

Joyce Roche, the president of Girls Inc., said the New York-based organization had never before been targeted by a protest campaign.

“We were taken aback,” she said in a telephone interview Friday. “Our programs are well-respected. We’re all about helping girls see possibilities and dream big dreams.”

She said Girls Inc. takes positions on public policy issues if it believes women’s rights and opportunities are at stake. “Our philosophy is that women should have the right to make decisions about themselves,” Roche said.

One of the protest coordinators, American Family Association special projects director Randy Sharp, said the campaign was noteworthy because American Girl’s products have long been favored by conservatives. Its dolls (full-sized models sell for more than $80) include a series from different eras of American history — such as Felicity, from the Revolutionary War, or Addy, who escapes from slavery during the Civil War.

“American Girl has won the trust of millions of conservative families,” Sharp said. “It’s very popular among the home school movement because of the values the company followed.”

“Now we find they’re teaming up with Girls Inc., which supports the very things we oppose. It’s very troubling.”

Sharp said the AFA was not yet ready to call for a boycott, but he predicted that many conservative families — including his own — would be reluctant to keep buying American Girl products. “I think no question this will have a financial impact on American Girl,” he said.

On the Net:

American Family Association: afa.net/

Girls Inc. advocacy positions: girlsinc.org/ic/page.php?id4.3
 
:bounce: :clapping: :bounce: :clapping:

Woo hoo!!!
Jennifer J:
Groups Threaten to Boycott American Girl
By DAVID CRARY AP National Writer
“We are profoundly disappointed that certain groups have chosen to misconstrue American Girl’s purely altruistic efforts and turn them into a broader political statement on issues that we, as a corporation, have no position,” the statement said.
Doesn’t their endorsement of Girls, Inc. as a whole make a silent statement that they support all of Girls, Inc.? Does to me!
 
Now that it’s been picked up by the AP, that’s all the more reason to keep up the letter writing campaign and pressure. What a bunch of hypocrites. I may not buy any more AG products even if they do sever their ties.
 
I just drafted a follow-up to the president of American Girl regarding the statement made by American Girl as reported through the AP.

Ms. Ellen L. Brothers
President, American Girl – Mattel
8400 Fairway Place
Middleton, WI 53562

Dear Ms. Brothers:

I just read the story by Associated Press National Writer, David Crary. I am extremely dismayed about the following statement released American Girl:
American Girl, whose often patriotic products have long had a loyal following among conservatives, issued a statement Friday defending its support of Girls Inc. and assailing the protest campaign.
“We are profoundly disappointed that certain groups have chosen to misconstrue American Girl’s purely altruistic efforts and turn them into a broader political statement on issues that we, as a corporation, have no position,” the statement said. [emphasis added]
American Girl states that it has no position on the issues that have previously caused many parents to be concerned. How can a huge corporation be so blasé about this? When you support an organization, you do not get to pick and choose what parts of that organization you approve and disapprove. Support of an organization is just that…support of the ENTIRE organization, and every program it initiates.

Please understand that I am just a concerned parent who is taking back my sole right to choose who, what, when and how my daughter learns her education, and again, it will not be Corporate America.
 
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