Americans Hold Record Liberal Views on Most Moral Issues

[ATraveller]

I don’t know that these are all “liberal” views. What is “conservative” about granting the government more power over people’s personal lives? I think the list is a mixed bag, but a better description might be more libertarian, or simply less authoritarian.

Most of them are liberal views. ‘Liberal’ being a drastic move away from traditional values. ‘Conservative’ is more or less defined as keeping traditions and making adjustments when needed. ‘Libertarian’ is just liberalism on social issues. The Gallup poll wasn’t about whether or not government should do anything but just people’s personal views. It confirmed Americans as a whole are now socially and culturally liberal instead of socially and culturally conservative due to the efficacy of popular culture in spreading propaganda. I do agree some of the issues don’t necessary fall into liberal or conservative thoug.
Maybe in an American context conservatism means less government but if you went to Britain or Canada prior to the 1980s conservatism didn’t mean less government, it could be more depending on the issue.

 

[xNoOnex]

This is terrible. If we stop testing drugs on animals then we will all die. God gave us animals to use them and make the best out of them, not raise them to human status. Animal right’s activist groups make me very annoyed.

Animal testing for medicine? Sure. But if we need to test our hair spray, deodorant, and make up on animals to see if it will have any negative effect on us… Well, maybe we don’t really need those things.

Our tolerance for degenerate behavior has historical precedent. The Romans held similar attitudes before their empire collapsed.

Strong men create prosperity. Prosperity creates soft and weak men. Those men are in turn the cause of bad times. The bad times make strong men. Such is the cycle of civilization. I leave you to guess where in the cycle we currently are.

There were a lot of things that lead to the collapse of the Roman Empire and claims that Rome’s degeneracy is a very gross oversimplification. External strife, largely caused by the various “barbarian” tribes and bloated and corrupt bureaucracy played a much bigger role… As did over-expansion; Rome’s army could conquer all its enemies but it couldn’t defend all its lands.

While you could argue that America is following it Rome’s footsteps, and I’d be inclined to agree with you, I’d say our fall will have more to do with how we treat the world than because some people think fornication is alright.

 

[TMC]

Most of them are liberal views. ‘Liberal’ being a drastic move away from traditional values. ‘Conservative’ is more or less defined as keeping traditions and making adjustments when needed. ‘Libertarian’ is just liberalism on social issues. The Gallup poll wasn’t about whether or not government should do anything but just people’s personal views. It confirmed Americans as a whole are now socially and culturally liberal instead of socially and culturally conservative due to the efficacy of popular culture in spreading propaganda. I do agree some of the issues don’t necessary fall into liberal or conservative thoug.
Maybe in an American context conservatism means less government but if you went to Britain or Canada prior to the 1980s conservatism didn’t mean less government, it could be more depending on the issue.

Personally, I don’t think there is a strong tradition for allowing the government to tell people how to manage their personal affairs, but I agree I may be seeing it from an American perspective.

 

[In_Hoc_Signo312]

Some trends take awhile to sink in, with their full consequences. Americans have had high rates of acceptance of abortion for some time. The stigma for having a child outside wedlock used to reflect “why did you have sex outside marriage?”. Now it is more stigma of "why did you allow *that **child *to be born, without ‘planning’?’

In the case above, it is a sad case of irony, the stigma still exists, but now for an entirely different reason. I would also say it is a worse reason.

The extremely high rate of aborting children with Down Syndrome and other conditions will, in the long run, affect how we regard persons with disabilities.

Yes, well, it is my hope at least that we can eradicate such things in the future, and not through aborting unborn babies who have it. I mean developing a cure for it someday. Are we ever going to see that?

 

[In_Hoc_Signo312]

I don’t know that these are all “liberal” views. What is “conservative” about granting the government more power over people’s personal lives? I think the list is a mixed bag, but a better description might be more libertarian, or simply less authoritarian.

Was that supposed to be sarcasm?

Many self-proclaimed conservatives I know (including me) argue against that.

 

[TMC]

Was that supposed to be sarcasm?

Many self-proclaimed conservatives I know (including me) argue against that.

That is my point. Conservatives tend to argue against government intrusions into people’s personal lives, so support for keeping the government out of people’s personal lives is not “liberal”.

 

[In_Hoc_Signo312]

That is my point. Conservatives tend to argue against government intrusions into people’s personal lives, so support for keeping the government out of people’s personal lives is not “liberal”.

I don’t get your point then because that wasn’t on the list.

 

[SuperLuigi]

That is my point. Conservatives tend to argue against government intrusions into people’s personal lives, so support for keeping the government out of people’s personal lives is not “liberal”.

It’s classical liberalism.

Very different from the regressive left, which is really just like another religion.

 

[mikekle]

Personally, I don’t think there is a strong tradition for allowing the government to tell people how to manage their personal affairs, but I agree I may be seeing it from an American perspective.

Well, today its almost like tyranny is welcomed and applauded, I cannot think of one thing the Govt is not somehow involved in, in regards to our daily lives, and yet We see no calls for revolution or to ‘throw off’ such govts, in general people are more obedient than ever.

That really happened though, because those in power found a sneaky way to make tyranny acceptable…make them all believe its being done for them, to better protect/ serve them.

 

[TMC]

I don’t get your point then because that wasn’t on the list.

Most of the things on the list meet that description.

 

[TMC]

It’s classical liberalism.

Very different from the regressive left, which is really just like another religion.

I don’t think they meant classical liberalism, but I agree that is very different from the left/right political liberalism in the US today.

 

[TMC]

Well, today its almost like tyranny is welcomed and applauded, I cannot think of one thing the Govt is not somehow involved in, in regards to our daily lives, and yet We see no calls for revolution or to ‘throw off’ such govts, in general people are more obedient than ever.

That really happened though, because those in power found a sneaky way to make tyranny acceptable…make them all believe its being done for them, to better protect/ serve them.

Yes, that is how authoritarians get their start.

 

[starshiptrooper]

There were a lot of things that lead to the collapse of the Roman Empire and claims that Rome’s degeneracy is a very gross oversimplification. External strife, largely caused by the various “barbarian” tribes and bloated and corrupt bureaucracy played a much bigger role… As did over-expansion; Rome’s army could conquer all its enemies but it couldn’t defend all its lands.

While you could argue that America is following it Rome’s footsteps, and I’d be inclined to agree with you, I’d say our fall will have more to do with how we treat the world than because some people think fornication is alright.

You are correct, degenerate behavior is one piece of the puzzle. However it is indicative of the character of the people and explains some of the motives behind their other bad decisions.

 

[Otar_Mendes]

Our tolerance for degenerate behavior has historical precedent. The Romans held similar attitudes before their empire collapsed.

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When Roman empire collapsed it was a Christian empire They abandoned their traditional values and religions. So we can as well blame Christianity for the fall of the Rome if you’d like to go down this road

And Christian rule wasn’t a pretty one.You lot like to talk about persecution, religious freedom etc? Read the history books and learn about what started happening when Christians started gaining power and influence.

And what ru calling degenerate behavior? Genocide (flood) ? Napalm terrorist acts? Mass murder? Forcing bears to tear little children apart? Ripping pregnant women’s bellies open coz their tribes didn’t want to worship the Judeo-Christian god? Genocide and persecution (executions, torture, burning alive, prisons etc) of gay people, pagans etc etc ? I should hope so.

 

[ProVobis]

Why do people still believe pollls?

RIght. Statistics is not an exact science.

 

[ProVobis]

I don’t know that these are all “liberal” views. What is “conservative” about granting the government more power over people’s personal lives? I think the list is a mixed bag, but a better description might be more libertarian, or simply less authoritarian.

Good points.

 

[ProVobis]

Was that supposed to be sarcasm?

Many self-proclaimed conservatives I know (including me) argue against that.

I’ve been considered a traditionalist in many ways, but FWIW, I do appreciate the better understanding of the psychology behind many of the moral issues the Church has to deal with these days.

 

[abucs]

When Roman empire collapsed it was a Christian empire They abandoned their traditional values and religions. So we can as well blame Christianity for the fall of the Rome if you’d like to go down this road

The Western Roman Empire fell. The stronger, and certainly more Christian (at that time) Eastern Roman Empire continued for another thousand years before falling to the evil of Islamic jihad.

So no, it is not reasonable to blame Christianity for the fall of the (western) Roman empire.

 

[SuperLuigi]

When Roman empire collapsed it was a Christian empire They abandoned their traditional values and religions. So we can as well blame Christianity for the fall of the Rome if you’d like to go down this road

Even with all of the mental gymnastics anti-Christian historians have applied, they only thing they have in the 4th Century is that changing the official religion to Christianity caused some administrative headaches, but was definitely not the reason for the collapse since Rome was already in decline since 64 AD. High inflation and over-spending proceeded.

And Christian rule wasn’t a pretty one.You lot like to talk about persecution, religious freedom etc? Read the history books and learn about what started happening when Christians started gaining power and influence.

 

[Walking_Home]

Jesus was the best example of what it means to be a man.

He worked in manual labor and was therefore physically strong. He had iron willpower and was unafraid of confrontation be it moral, intellectual, or physical. He never compromised his moral principles. He was a leader with a mission and he was willing to endure great suffering and death to accomplish that mission.

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You left out a most important attribute – Holiness. Holiness which is lacking-- in those who have now high jacked Jesus. The Red Pill --Returnofkings/manosphere

The fact is that Jesus Christ was a tough, red-pilled individual, and his strength and grit manifested itself in several ways that masculine men can learn from and appreciate