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starshiptrooper
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Glad to know that you are God and know the state of their souls.
Apparently finding some inspiration to be a better man from God himself is “hijacking”.
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Apparently finding some inspiration to be a better man from God himself is “hijacking”.
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Walking_Home
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Walking_Home:
Glad to know that you are God and know the state of their souls.
Apparently finding some inspiration to be a better man from God himself is “hijacking”.
If you really want to become a better man stick to Jesus/the Faith —not the redpill that teaches men how to “dread game” — and “spin plates (plate therory)”
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starshiptrooper
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The questions was if I considered Jesus to be strong man. I answered it. Why is this relevant?
I realized that finding the truth was something I had to do on my own. Nobody who should have had the answers was willing or able to tell me.
All well and good, except for the uncomfortable fact that the red pill explained all the things that I saw in my own relationships and those close to me. Combine that with the fact that the Catholic Church in my area has effectively been coopted by feminists and has no interest in talking about masculinity except to remind us that men and women are the same except when men are worse.
I realized that finding the truth was something I had to do on my own. Nobody who should have had the answers was willing or able to tell me.
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Walking_Home
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Oh yea – in your mind the “redpill” has “enlighten” you-- but the realilty is – you’ve been plugged into gnostic hive with a manichean view of women.
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starshiptrooper
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Let me guess they both became men before the 70’s and lived in Ireland?
Yadda yadda yadda, muh soggy knee and all that. It explains reality and it works.
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Walking_Home
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In the “redpill” hive mentality – a man in a stable marriage/ loves and respects his wife-- is a “beta cuck”. He needs to be “enlighten” that the woman he is married to is a manipulative so and so – ready to stab him in the back – first chance she gets.
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Walking_Home
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The reality is – the “redpill” kills you spiritually-- that you will never find happiness – with any woman you marry.
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starshiptrooper
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Given the current state of American women and American family law you would have to be a masochist to be a happily married man.
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In_Hoc_Signo312
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That doesn’t sound very to fair to paint with a wide brush.
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Walking_Home
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You’ve proved my point – no matter who you marry-- that part of you that makes for a loving husband – is spiritually dead.
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SuperLuigi
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So then what’s your solution? More single-parenting and so-called gay marriage?
BTW, the red pill is not an either/or option. I consider myself red-pilled and I have a pretty good marriage.
Marriage is something you work at, and it’s not just about “a ring and ceremony” as Dennis Prager would say.
So stop trying to make it look like that just because people are aware of domestic abuse against men and can see the culture war for what it is are somehow going to swear off all women.
And if they do, they’ll end up the male-version of the cat lady.
If you really want to know why so many men are turning towards MGTOWS, it’s because of the FAILED leadership of Christians AND single parenting. There has been a vacuum in the arts and communications now for the past 60 years. Why?
Because many in the clergy and many parents thought they could just show up and do well.
We don’t have the luxury anymore, and frankly, we never should have given what was going on in the culture between closed doors.
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SuperLuigi
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So what’s the expectation here? For you to just sit there and take it feeling bad for yourself cause you are man?
We sure have fallen a lot from the behavior modeling of the early Church that converted most of the Old World into Christianity or at least monotheism.
If the Church isn’t going to lead and parents aren’t going to parent, well, that’s how you have young people turning to folks like Milo, Tommy Sotomayor, and Dave Rubin. Of course, their mouths go agape when one of them drops the f-bomb, but are evidently fine with or unaware of their children being indoctrinated in public schools because they dress nicely and are supposed to be professional or something. :rolleyes
The only thing I would say is that there are women out there who don’t fall for this BS and dislike it as much as you do. Don’t cut yourself off spiritually from that. The regressive left and its third-wave feminists don’t like it, but men and women (my wife and I included) are fighting this stuff together.
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Padres1969
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As a happily married American man I’d disagree…
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starshiptrooper
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And whine about how society is unfair and the government needs to fix it like a feminist? Of course not. I take out most of my anger at the gym and spend most of my time disregarding females and acquiring currency. The rest of it is spent trying to figure how exactly the events in my past contributed to the counterproductive beliefs I subconsciously held in hope of understanding them and changing them.So what’s the expectation here? For you to just sit there and take it feeling bad for yourself cause you are man?
That may be the case. I suspect that changes on the scale of the sexual revolution and 2nd wave feminism will have to occur before we see any actual change.
Happy, married, American, and male? I am pretty sure you can only have 2 of those attributes.
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Walking_Home
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If you don’t want single parenting – men need to keep their pants zipped up. It takes two to make a child. The man needs to held accountable for his part not just the woman. But the “double standard” – and yes even in Christian culture – the woman is the one “stoned”.
Of course the “manosphere” sees it as “failed” Christian leadership – for it no longer follows the path of “stoning” women – controlling women “to save women from themselves”. After all – women by “nature” – from the time a girl is conceived-- is born to be manipulative etc. etc.
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starshiptrooper
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Ha! Catholics spend plenty of time haranguing the nice guys in the pews with that message. Somehow their daughters still wind up having kids out of wedlock. Your attitude reminds me of the drunk who dropped his keys in the sewer but is looking for them by the lamppost.
The correct answer is to outlaw abortion, figure out some way to get rid of contraception, and stop subsidizing single mothers and praising their lifestyle. Strangely enough when women were actually held accountable for their choices there were fewer single mothers.
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dvdjs
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Your forget that the first step in the process, given the reports from the thread on American moral values, would have to be be suspend the Constitution of the US. Mre comic book stuff.
Ahhh, now that’s the double standard that was being talked about.
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Walking_Home
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Apparently – you have a problem with the message. Bet the end result is that yes – when a man fails at keeping his pants zipped – the fingers and stones were/are aimed at the woman.
As to subsidizing single mothers – in my research into the “redpill/manosphere” – I’ve come across the objection to “subsidizing” via paying child support for the child the man helped create. In the “hive” mentality – literally leaving the mother holding the baby with no financial help whatsoever – well it will enforce that a man can unzip his pants and drop it all on the “accountability” of the woman.
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Regular_Atheist
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Sure, I think there are comparisons between our society and the declining Roman Empire in some ways, but I wouldn’t identify them as coming from the same source so much.
Firstly I wasn’t taking a shot at Christianity. There was no anti-Christian sentiment in what I said - I was not trying to claim that Christianity was responsible for the fall of Rome. I was just pointing out that Rome became Christian long before its eventual collapse, and started to take a “more Christian” approach to issues like homosexuality.
I’m not an atheist, though I can see why my unfortunate username might confuse you. I am certainly not a New Atheist in the style of Richard Dawkins or Ricky Gervais or whatever.
I really don’t think this suggests that “degeneracy” was the reason for the decline of Rome. Keep in mind masculinity is a relative concept and the ideal for masculinity will be different in different societies. You’re probably aware of the Ancient Greek sculptures with the tiny penises, and the fact that to the Ancient Greeks this was the peak of masculinity. This is of course a radically different perspective on the male genitalia than our own society. Similarly many thriving empires have practiced pederasty and considered it to be an appropriate expression male sexuality, like the Ottomans. It’s clear that masculinity is a relative concept - when you look at those statues you see a noodly, “gender-confused” twink that doesn’t meet your standards for what constitutes a man. The average Roman or Greek would likely disagree, however, and would likely find your own depiction of the ideal man to be feminine.
This is the problem with nationalist depictions of history, namely that they rely so much on presentism - projecting modern concepts onto the past. It isn’t enough to just look at a statue and assume that because we see it as feminine and “gender-confused” then the Romans held femininity up as an ideal. Chances are they just had a different conception of masculinity. This sort of presentism is rife within nationalism, which has to pretend that modern ethno-nationalist concepts existed in the past, as if people living in feudal Europe had the same idea of national identity as we do in the modern nation-state. The most obvious example of this is the Nazi comparison of the Holy Roman Empire with the modern German state - the idea that the Holy Roman Empire constituted some kind of Aryan “First Reich.”
I just don’t see how you can find this compelling. The entirety of the Roman Empire, from its dawn to its peak was Pagan, “degenerate” and explicitly anti-Christian. It was only nearing its collapse that it moved towards a Christian ethos. Maybe the lifestyle of the late Romans doesn’t totally reflect what you consider to be true Christian ethics, but it certainly was less offensive than the earlier Roman Empire. This is why it seems strange to blame degeneracy.
I don’t understand what this has to do with degeneracy or bad virtues or whatever. Most of those problems are economic - the empire overextended as a necessity to conquer more land and obtain more slaves, and in doing so faced even more administrative and economic issues. The over-reliance on slave labour created an underclass who were left pretty much useless, hence the mass migration to cities and the use of “bread and circuses” to appease the masses. Slave society collapsed under its own weight, as a result of its own contradictions - the need for slaves drove the empire to over-expansion, and it fell as a result of this over-expansion and over-reliance on slave labour.
Yes, I think there are parallels between our current society and Rome, though I wouldn’t attribute them to the same cause as you would. In much the same way as slave society existed in an over-developed state at the end of the Roman Empire, capitalism currently exists in an over-developed state. Commodity production penetrates everything now. Human social relations have been totally commodified - there is definitely something very inhuman and wrong with the way we live.
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starshiptrooper
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When it is time to rewrite the Constitution, the lessons of the past 100 years will be learned.
Apparently you do not realize that until very recently male sexual conduct was violently regulated by other men.
Apparently you did not read what I wrote. The nice guys in the pews are not the problem. The jerks, the daughters, and the lack of leadership and accountability are.
Complain about it all you want. It still worked.
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