America's Most Dangerous Drug

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Snicker:
Spoken like a “man” who has probably never had to fight the demon of drug addiction. Your macho speak is nauseating.
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What’s nauseating is your willingness to blame others for what YOU did. YOU took drugs, I didn’t. YOU sold drugs, I didn’t. YOU turned other people on to drugs and ruined their lives, I didn’t.

What are YOU doing to help all the people you supplied with drugs?
 
vern humphrey:
Let me see if I understand you. You are a convicted drug dealer and former addict? You have no college education?
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Yes. Yes. No. I have a MA in Education.
But, having messed up your own life, and getting straight through the sacrifices and efforts of others,
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God bless 'em!!
you are now qualified to tell everyone else how the country is run?
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Just giving my opinion (like everyone else) about a topic I know well.
 
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Snicker:
Yes. Yes. No. I have a MA in Education.
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And you don’t understand Human Learning Theory?
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Snicker:
God bless 'em!!
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Pretty cold for a guy who ruined other people’s lives by selling them drugs.
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Snicker:
Just giving my opinion (like everyone else) about a topic I know well.
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If you know it so well, how many of your former customers have you rescued?
 
vern humphrey:
What’s nauseating is your willingness to blame others for what YOU did.
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Please show me where I have actually blamed others for what I did.
YOU took drugs, I didn’t. YOU sold drugs, I didn’t. YOU turned other people on to drugs and ruined their lives, I didn’t.
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And I’ve asked for and received forgiveness for these sins. Can YOU forgive me?
What are YOU doing to help all the people you supplied with drugs?
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I volunteer about 10 hours a week at drug treatment centers meeting with “drugies” doing what I can to help them help themselves…like some wonderful people did for me.
 
vern humphrey:
And you don’t understand Human Learning Theory?
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Actually I do. I just thought you were trying to sound smart.
Pretty cold for a guy who ruined other people’s lives by selling them drugs.
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Who’s being cold here?
If you know it so well, how many of your former customers have you rescued?
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Several.
 
Let’s talk about collateral damage: stealing, prostituting, pimping, defrauding, assaulting, murdering, blackmailing, and so on.

The cocaine addicts I have been unfortunate enough to encounter have had as their primary addiction many of the above. The root of those behaviours is pathological self-reliance and a kind of disconnect toward other people which for all appearances is sociopathy.

The big spin is that those behaviours happen because of the cocaine addiction. Ha! That’s the lie that keeps cocaine addicts addicted. Cocaine addicts do cocaine as a diversionary tactic to protect the thrill they get from preying on people.

Here is a typical pattern:
  1. The money, scams, criminal activities run dry.
  2. The cocaine supply therefore runs dry.
  3. The cocaine addict crashes and dives.
  4. The addict is left visibly gaunt with that pinched, darkened look.
  5. Shame and depression set in.
  6. The addict runs to an enabler who feeds, clothes, and shelters him/her.
  7. The addict then writes his own ‘recovery program.’ Bulks up in the gym, special diet, abstinence.
  8. Then the addict checks himself/herself in the mirror. Looks good. Decides to earn a little extra money by turning over some product in ‘a couple of hours’ on the street. ‘Just a little,’ ‘just a couple of hours.’
  9. The money starts tumbling in. The addict decides to reward himself/herself and gets high again, consuming in ‘a couple of hours’ the product, pawning the enabler’s cd player or whatever…
  10. And then tumbles into full-blown criminal activity again.
Take the cocaine away and you’re left with predatory, socially disconnected behaviour. Or conversely, make cocaine available through clinics and you’re left with predatory, socially disconnected behaviour. Their best thinking got them there. To heal an addict, heal the ‘best thinking.’

Meth is worse than cocaine. The recovery prospects for meth addiction are horrifyingly grim.

Jesus heals.
 
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Snicker:
Please show me where I have actually blamed others for what I did.
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Did you post this?
About two months out of prison my sister risked her life to drag me out of a crack house and take me to a treatment center (which conservatives would like to get rid of by the way).
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Snicker:
And I’ve asked for and received forgiveness for these sins. Can YOU forgive me?
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Certainly – but one thing disturbs me. You say you have a MA in Education. You were a teacher.

Who did you sell drugs to?
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Snicker:
I volunteer about 10 hours a week at drug treatment centers meeting with “drugies” doing what I can to help them help themselves…like some wonderful people did for me.
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Is that enough to clean up everyone you turned on to drugs?
 
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Snicker:
Who’s being cold here?
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You are. You pushed drugs, and your victims are still suffering.
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Snicker:
Several.
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Let us know when ALL of them have been rescued, and their lives restored to what they would have been without the drugs you sold them.
 
Vern…I went to school and got my degree and began teaching AFTER my drug addiction and the like. And no…I never hung around schools selling to little kids. I’m sure that’s what you were thinking.

On your last question. I try to make up for what I did in the past. Cleaning up everyone I may have indirectly got hooked on drugs would be (name removed by moderator)ossible. By the way, how many people have you went back and “cleaned up” as a result of your bad example? Or are you sinless?
 
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Snicker:
Vern…I went to school and got my degree and began teaching AFTER my drug addiction and the like. And no…I never hung around schools selling to little kids. I’m sure that’s what you were thinking.

On your last question. I try to make up for what I did in the past. Cleaning up everyone I may have indirectly got hooked on drugs would be (name removed by moderator)ossible. By the way, how many people have you went back and “cleaned up” as a result of your bad example? Or are you sinless?
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My bad example? You mean working all my life, providing for my children, remaining married to the same woman, never using drugs? That bad example?
 
vern humphrey:
You are. You pushed drugs, and your victims are still suffering.
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I’ve been forgiven. People like me really test you faith don’t they vern?
Your posts reek with self righteous condemnation.
Let us know when ALL of them have been rescued, and their lives restored to what they would have been without the drugs you sold them.
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I do what I can.
 
vern humphrey:
My bad example? You mean working all my life, providing for my children, remaining married to the same woman, never using drugs? That bad example?
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Forgive me Saint Vern. You’ve obviously lived a spotless life and never led ANYONE in to sin of any kind.
 
Snicker & Vern:

Nasty,snide or offensive comments are not needed nor required!
 
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Snicker:
I was accused of blaming others for my prior drug problems, which I denied.

For some reason you got defensive and went on this self righteous tirade.
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For some reason you attacked “conservatives” for not cleaning up the mess you created.
 
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Karin:
Snicker & Vern:

Nasty,snide or offensive comments are not needed nor required!
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Thank you for reminding us, Karin. I stand rebuked.
 
Alternative sentencing is a good idea. Non-violent crimes should have people braceleted and treatment-- with additional penalties for infractions. We need other methods than incarceration.

As for legalization, we have seen with abortion that legalization carries with it a social imprimatur. We cannot legalize highly addictive drugs for that reason and we should not legalize SSAD behaviour or ritualize it with “SSAD Marriage” for that same reason.

Laws carry more impact than simply abiding or not abiding them.
 
vern humphrey:
Meth is all over the Ozarks. You can spot cookers – someone with two acres back in the hills, vicious guard dogs and “no tresspassing” paint on every tree.
Hhhhhmmm. :hmmm: Now that you mention it, I remember motoring with a friend south along Lake Huron. The middle and north part is quite OK. When we got closer to Lake Erie, the hairs literally stood up on the my neck. Approaching the water (I am not going to say exactly where it is), we noticed a small ghost village. Everything looked boarded up and signs everywhere: No trespassing, no dogs, no urinating, no docking, no loitering, no squatting, no smoking, no crowds, no tents, no trailers, no campfires, and so on. We thought to ourselves “Real friendly-like” and hi-tailed it out of there lickety-split.
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Ani Ibi:
Hhhhhmmm. :hmmm: Now that you mention it, I remember motoring with a friend south along Lake Huron. The middle and north part is quite OK. When we got closer to Lake Erie, the hairs literally stood up on the my neck. Approaching the water (I am not going to say exactly where it is), we noticed a small ghost village. Everything looked boarded up and signs everywhere: No trespassing, no dogs, no urinating, no docking, no loitering, no squatting, no smoking, no crowds, no tents, no trailers, no campfires, and so on. We thought to ourselves “Real friendly-like” and hi-tailed it out of there lickety-split.
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Very wise. Meth users are hyper-paranoid and dangerous. If you talk to enforcement agents, they tell you that they are also hyper-alert. Very difficult to approach.

The idea that drug use is a victimless crime is simply false.
 
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