America's 'soul' at risk over immigration, Archbishop Gomez warns

[Prodigal_Son1]

America’s ‘soul’ at risk over immigration, Archbishop Gomez warns

“And I think that’s one of the problems we are having in this immigration debate. We have lost sense of the ‘humanity’ of the men and women and children who are living in this country illegally.”

He expressed concern that we are “losing something of our national soul” in how illegal immigration is addressed.

“This great nation finds itself today reduced to addressing this major issue in our public life through: name calling and discrimination; criminal ‘profiling’ based on race; random identity checks; violent raids of workplaces and homes; arbitrary detentions and deportations.”

A quarter of persons deported from the U.S. are from intact families, he said. “In the name of enforcing our laws, now we are breaking up families.”

Last year, 400,000 persons were deported, the archbishop noted. That means that last year, 100,000 families were rent apart in the name of American law.

“These are not statistics, these are souls. Human beings. We’re talking about fathers and husbands who, with no warning, won’t be coming home for dinner tonight – and who may not see their families again for a decade at least. We are talking about a government policy that punishes children for the crimes of their parents.”

 

[seakelp]

Great article. And an atrocious practice. Hopefully we’ll see some legislation on this issue in the near future!

 

[Lancer]

Understand…and concur with the inhumanity of our broken immigration system…but the good archbishop is whistling in the grave yard so to speak.

Blessed Mother Teresa got to the heart and truth of the problem:…that is and has cost us our soul in these United States:

At the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, D.C, on February 5, 1994, Mother Theresa dared to speak her mind and heart about the right to life. Here is the text of her unforgettable address.

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…But I feel that the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child, a direct killing of the innocent child, murder by the mother herself. And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another?..

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We don’t just “accept” a mother murdering her own innocent child…we have a law that protects the mother and anyone else directly or indirectly involved…and in the most powerful and influential streams of our society and culture…it is promoted as “a good” for our society/culture.

So…I wish the good Archbishop (and all of us )…would “…go to the mattresses” on abortion…because… immigration reform…as important as it is…is not only a distant “second place” to abortion…it will become a distant “third place”…if we change the marriage laws of the land and throw out DOMA…that marriage is between one man and one woman…our culture as we knew it will be a dinosaur just looking for a date and time to become extinct…IMHO.

Pax Christi​

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Understand…and concur with the inhumanity of our broken immigration system…but the good archbishop is whistling in the grave yard so to speak.

Blessed Mother Teresa got to the heart and truth of the problem:…that is and has cost us our soul in these United States:

We don’t just “accept” a mother murdering her own innocent child…we have a law that protects the mother and anyone else directly or indirectly involved…and in the most powerful and influential streams of our society and culture…it is promoted as “a good” for our society/culture.

So…I wish the good Archbishop (and all of us )…would “…go to the mattresses” on abortion…because… immigration reform…as important as it is…is not only a distant “second place” to abortion…it will become a distant “third place”…if we change the marriage laws of the land and throw out DOMA…that marriage is between one man and one woman…our culture as we knew it will be a dinosaur just looking for a date and time to become extinct…IMHO.

Pax Christi

I don’t think the Archbishop, or any authoritative man of the Church, is remiss on the issues, of abortion, or DOMA. There are many issues, that affect the dignity of life from conception until natural death, the Church must instruct us on while we’re in the secular world.

 

[GringaMamasita]

Great article. And an atrocious practice. Hopefully we’ll see some legislation on this issue in the near future!

Amen! Every night my husband walks through the door is a prayer answered.

 

[Mrs_Sally]

Amen! Every night my husband walks through the door is a prayer answered.

Praying for you!

 

[starshiptrooper]

Secure the borders first, then we can talk about amnesty.

 

[Frank_Drebin]

I don’t think the Archbishop, or any authoritative man of the Church, is remiss on the issues, of abortion, or DOMA. There are many issues, that affect the dignity of life from conception until natural death, the Church must instruct us on while we’re in the secular world.

Perhaps in the majority of immigrants who have become citizens and voted had not voted for a virulent pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, and pro-euthenasia President, I’d be more incline to encourage more of them to come.

If they want to come and screw up the country with their votes, I don’t see the point in helping with its destruction. We have enough people voting improperly as it is. The only demographic voting properly any more is white males.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Perhaps in the majority of immigrants who have become citizens and voted had not voted for a virulent pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, and pro-euthenasia President, I’d be more incline to encourage more of them to come.

If they want to come and screw up the country with their votes, I don’t see the point in helping with its destruction. We have enough people voting improperly as it is. The only demographic voting properly any more is white males.

I didn’t see any of that discussed by the Archbishop.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Perhaps in the majority of immigrants who have become citizens and voted had not voted for a virulent pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, and pro-euthenasia President, I’d be more incline to encourage more of them to come.

If they want to come and screw up the country with their votes, I don’t see the point in helping with its destruction. We have enough people voting improperly as it is. The only demographic voting properly any more is white males.

Really? So correctness is based on race?

 

[littlenothing]

Ok, this is just a question. I am not a debater. I am seeking an answer that isn’t based on emotion.

If I entered a country illegally and later was found out and sent back to the States, maybe without my family, shouldn’t I bear the responsibility for what I chose to do? Even if I was trying to “have a better life” or make more money or whatever, shouldn’t I realize I amy get caught and my family torn apart because of it?

 

[Frank_Drebin]

Really? So correctness is based on race?

Only you would read into some random inferrence that has nothing to do with anything.

Who said anything abour correctness having to do with race. Statistically speaking (meaning no causation per se), the good votes in this last election cam from a majority of white males. No other major demographic breakdowns along race or gender lines produced a proper vote. Perhaps if we include marital status, married women got it right too, so good on them.

Every other category blew it.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Only you would read into some random inferrence that has nothing to do with anything.

Who said anything abour correctness having to do with race. Statistically speaking (meaning no causation per se), the good votes in this last election cam from a majority of white males. No other major demographic breakdowns along race or gender lines produced a proper vote. Perhaps if we include marital status, married women got it right too, so good on them.

Every other category blew it.

We’re close to going off topic. An outcome of an election is opinion. An expression of white males being correct, that’s another thing altogether in my opinion.

 

[bellasbane]

America’s ‘soul’ at risk over immigration, Archbishop Gomez warns

“The question for us is what’s our role in immigration reform, as religious people? … I think our role is to be the voice of conscience and vision. That’s what’s been missing in the debate so far.”

I think breaking up families and taking children away from their parents is evil. There should be a way to negotiation some kind of arrangement where the family goes or stays as a unit.

 

[Frank_Drebin]

We’re close to going off topic. An outcome of an election is opinion. An expression of white males being correct, that’s another thing altogether in my opinion.

Oh no, off topic! That’s almost as bad as being accused of being uncharitable!

Everything posted in this topic is opinion - not sure why you bother to point that out. Most of the message board is opinion. Yours is all over the place. You can’t suddenly wave the “that;s an opinion” flag unless you want to go back and delete 90% of your posts,.

And it is quite on topic. Read my first post. I welcome anyone to this country, so long as they support people who protect the unborn. I wouldn’t encourage people who endorsed Nazis to vote any more than I do people who support candidates that protect abortion. It is called being Catholic.

What I’d like to see is the Bishops encourage those who come to America to vote with authentic Catholics values that protect the unborn and elderly first and foremost. VOting for the party that promises leniency on immigration policy primarily is not how we are to vote as Catholics.

 

[Francoist]

The PRI and its forebears have, since their rise to power out of the bloody revolutions at the turn of the century, forced a succession of Communist and Socialist regimes upon the Mexican people. Mexico has always had the population and the natural resources to be a top-rate country. However, since the fall of Diaz nobody besides President Fox has had any serious notion of ending corruption, cronyism and economic decay in that country. Diaz heavily subsidized rail construction and Limantour and los cientificos brought in not only foreign investment but foreign technology, including refrigerated cars and froth flotation mining.

Since the rise of the PRI Mexico has been nothing but a third-world hellhole. It’s too bad their grip on the country is so close to absolute.

It’s no wonder so many Mexicans want to come to the USA. It’s a much nicer place to live and work. Sadly, the horrible state of Mexico as a country means that the people who come here are often not equipped to be functional citizens.

I propose a trade: the USA will trade one liberal, Leftist or registered Democrat to Mexico for each hard-working conservative Catholic they send to us. Then the USA can flourish with the help of morally straight Mexicans and our liberals can help Mexico remain the squalid socialist armpit that its rulers seem to want it to be.

 

[Frank_Drebin]

“The question for us is what’s our role in immigration reform, as religious people? … I think our role is to be the voice of conscience and vision. That’s what’s been missing in the debate so far.”

I think breaking up families and taking children away from their parents is evil. There should be a way to negotiation some kind of arrangement where the family goes or stays as a unit.

That’s one area we agree on. Though I wish more parents who came here took responsbility for that decision when these penalties come into play rather than simply blaming the government, but I don’t like seeing families broken apart.

 

[bellasbane]

That’s one area we agree on. Though I wish more parents who came here took responsibility for that decision when these penalties come into play rather than simply blaming the government, but I don’t like seeing families broken apart.

How should they take responsibility? Pay a fine? I think some of those options are being considered. Maybe the “host” country could also recoup some of the healthcare and education costs from the “home” country.

 

[seakelp]

Ok, this is just a question. I am not a debater. I am seeking an answer that isn’t based on emotion.

I admire your curiosity!

If I entered a country illegally and later was found out and sent back to the States, maybe without my family, shouldn’t I bear the responsibility for what I chose to do? Even if I was trying to “have a better life” or make more money or whatever, shouldn’t I realize I amy get caught and my family torn apart because of it?

Absolutely. People’s actions have consequences, and they must know the risks they take when they engage in some action. I don’t think anyone would be against making this sort of evaluative judgment.

I think the deeper question is how we ought to treat the least among us here in the United States, especially those who immigrate here in order to make a better life! And I think we also ought to try and find a just solution to the challenges of immigration - and one that does not result in heartbreak and sorrow for families.

 

[Cider]

So how many times are we going to give out amnesty to those that have entered and stayed in the country illegally? We did it in the 80s, didn’t change a thing. So we now we are talking about doing it again. I suppose that all nations should have no borders at all?