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A wise elderly Protestant woman suggested I buy the Joyce Meyer Everyday Bible, which is an amplified version. She sincerely thinks this will help me understand scripture and apply it, that is to make it more than intellectual knowledge, though to have it affect how I live. Is there any harm in reading this translation? If there is, please provide a recommendation.
There are the Challoner Douay-Rheims Version, the Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition, the New American Bible with revised New Testament (not the revised Psalms), the original Jerusalem Bible, and the 1963 version of the Grail Psalter that were approved for liturgical use. In addition, the various national bishop’s conferences approve other translations for private reading. I do not believe that the translation you refer to is on the approved list of any bishop’s conference. Unapproved translations are are not to be published according to Canon Law, which I think means that they cannot call themselves a Catholic translation without such approval. Translations that are not approved might be inaccurately slanted to support heresy. Bible translation is not always an honest business.
 
I have “The Catholic Bible” Personal Study Edition, which is a NAB translation. I also have the RSV-CE translation. I have found I prefer the RSV-CE, though do like the reading guide in the study bible.
While you may not need another bible, please have a look at the latest Ignatius Study edition of the RSV-2CE. It is the New Testament only, though. Combined with the text that suits you, the notes will be of even more value, I would think.
 
I know preacherman’s already banned, so he (probably) won’t be around to read this, but for the record, did you know that the authentic, original 1611 King James Version had 81 books - all the books that are contained in the Latin Vulgate (73 canonical works + 3 apocrypha: Prayer of Manasses and 1/2 Esdras)? How dare you suggest that the LATE 66-book KJV, mutilated by the hands of men, is the inspired Word of God! :rolleyes: 😛
This:thumbsup:👍 post is worth another reading.
 
I’ve read some of Joyce Meyer and she’s not very good, though some n-Cs seem to think she is. 🤷

However, the Amplified Bible that I have had for many years has nothing to do with her and has actually been a handy resource despite its lack of the Deuterocanonical books.

It’s waaay too wordy for regular reading, but for study of specific passages it has been useful.

Here is John 6 from it.

Even so it’s not that great. 🤷
 
However, the Amplified Bible that I have had for many years has nothing to do with her and has actually been a handy resource despite its lack of the Deuterocanonical books.
I am glad you got back to the topic of the Amplified Bible. I too will say that it does one thing no Catholic Bible does. It gives us multiple meanings of words that truly have multiple meanings. Maybe this is good, maybe not. But we often forget, like our KJV preacherman, that we read a translation of the Bible. This is one good thing that the Amplified Bible brings out. The down side is that some of the amplifications of the words are not what the author intends, so be leary if you come across anything that sounds fishy.

The important thing is to read whatever Bible that you will actually read, and be grounded enough in Catholic doctrine to know if something is translated askew to Catholic doctrine. I like the New American Standard Bible for a raw literal translation, the next best thing to an inter linear (that is where the Greek and the English runs one on top of another). I like the NAB for the most readable. The RSVCE is the best synthesis of the two.

That’s my opinion.
 
I am glad you got back to the topic of the Amplified Bible. I too will say that it does one thing no Catholic Bible does. It gives us multiple meanings of words that truly have multiple meanings. Maybe this is good, maybe not. But we often forget, like our KJV preacherman, that we read a translation of the Bible. This is one good thing that the Amplified Bible brings out. The down side is that some of the amplifications of the words are not what the author intends, so be leery if you come across anything that sounds fishy.
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The important thing is to read whatever Bible that you will actually read, and be grounded enough in Catholic doctrine to know if something is translated askew to Catholic doctrine.
Amen to that! That cannot be stressed enough.
I like the New American Standard Bible for a raw literal translation, the next best thing to an inter linear (that is where the Greek and the English runs one on top of another). I like the NAB for the most readable. **The RSVCE is the best synthesis of the two. **

That’s my opinion.
I have the NASB but never use it and have had an interlinear NT like that and that too is useful if one is interested in such. I heartily agree with you about the RSV-CE (2nd edition). It is my “weapon” of choice. (See Ephesians 6:17 & Hebrews 4:12 :D)
 
If the Catholic Church is the true church , then why is it at the center of controversy, go to Chick Publications. com and read their tracts titled Are Romans Catholics Christians, The Last Rites and the death Cookie then come back and give me your thoughts
Well, Jesus had the most controversy because of who He was and they didn’t understand and dislike His teachings. As a result, they persecuted and crucified Him. If He was surrounded by controversy, then His earthly Body (the Church He built) would share that same burden. Political governments and other religions did everything they could to stop the growth of Christianity by either killing or politically suppressing them, and they are still doing it in today’s world. The main Christian group that are taking most of the hit is Catholicism.

In reality, you are making a case for why Catholicism is the true Church that Jesus founded.
 
If the Catholic Church is the true church , then why is it at the center of controversy,
Maybe because the truth hurts?
go to Chick Publications. com and read their tracts
I’d as soon get a root canal thanks anyway… Answering Chick Tracts
titled Are Romans Catholics Christians,

  1. *]Baptism

    Chick singles out two problems with baptism as understood and practiced by Catholics. The first is that one is born again in baptism and the second that Catholics baptize infants.
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                    Scripture clearly indicates that we receive God’s grace in baptism.  Peter says that in the ark "eight persons were saved through water.  Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of  dirt from the body * but as  an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of  Jesus Christ *" (1 Pet.  3:20–21). Paul tells us that when we were baptized we were united to  Christ’s death so that "we might walk in newness of life" (Rom. 6:4),  and when Paul himself was baptized, he was told: "Rise and be baptized,  and wash away your sins, calling on his name" (Acts 22:16). On the day  of Pentecost, Peter preached: "Repent, and be baptized every one of you  in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins" (Acts  2:38). The early Church Fathers were *unanimous** in understanding  John 3:5 ("unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter  the kingdom of God") as referring to baptism.
    
                    Regarding infant baptism, when Peter preached baptism for the  forgiveness of sins, he added: "For the promise is to you and to your  children" (Acts 2:39). Jesus himself said, "Let the children come to me,  and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of God" (Luke  18:16), and he was speaking of infants (cf. Luke 18:15)! It is no  surprise then when we see entire households being baptized at once (Acts  16:15, 33; 1 Cor. 1:16). This is natural when one recognizes that  baptism is "the circumcision of Christ" (Col. 2:11) or the Christian  equivalent of circumcision—which was applied to infants.
    
                    It also is worth noting that many Protestants believe in baptismal  regeneration and practice infant baptism. The first Protestant of  all—Martin Luther—did so, as does the Lutheran church to this day.
    *]Divided Loyalties

    Chick occasionally takes swipes at Catholics for having divided loyalties between the Church and the U.S. (insinuating or directly stating that their loyalty to the former is greater than to the latter). This kind of argument was common in many older American anti-Catholic works. At the time these works were written, many Catholics in the U.S. were immigrants, and their loyalty to their new country was suspect. Most anti-Catholics today have dropped this allegation—and with good reason—yet Chick hangs onto it. It’s essential to his Catholics-out-to-subvert-the-U.S. conspiracy theory.
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    From Are Roman Catholics Christians?

    The reason that most anti-Catholics no longer make the charge is that now most Catholics in the U.S. are native-born. They are as loyal to America as anyone. They have put their lives on the line for her whenever the nation has gone to war, and many are war heroes.
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                    In addition, Chick’s facts are wrong. Catholics are not "citizen[s]  of two countries." The Vatican City State has a tiny number of  citizens—fewer than a thousand.[50] They are mostly people who live and  work at the Vatican. The vast majority of Catholics are citizens of only  one state—their homeland—and they understand their civic duties as well  as anyone. The *Catechism of the Catholic Church* stresses these  duties,[51] and the Catholic Bible says just as much as the Protestant  one, "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to  God the things that are God’s" (Matt. 22:21).
    *]Confession

    Chick tells us that “no man has the power to forgive sins.” It’s true that God’s forgiveness is the one that counts, but this doesn’t mean that God doesn’t use men as the instruments by which he absolves people.The Pharisees made the same charge against Jesus during his own public ministry (cf. Mark 2:7), but Jesus proved he had the power to forgive sins by healing the paralytic man. When the crowds saw it, “they glorified God, who had given such authority to men” (Matt. 9:8, emphasis added).
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                    With the coming of Christ, God began to use men as instruments of  his forgiveness, and after the Resurrection Jesus commissioned his  disciples to do this, telling them: "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you  forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of  any, they are retained" (John 20:22–23).
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  • Clergy & Religious
Chick has a big problem with the pope, priests, and religious (e.g., monks and nuns). We will deal with the pope in another section, but as for priests, the word priest is actually taken from the Greek word presbuteros (“elder”).Further, Paul tells us that God’s ministers in the New Testament age do perform “priestly service” (Rom. 15:16).
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                 Regarding monks and nuns, the Old Testament records  people who took  special vows of consecration to God (Nazirites, cf.  Num. 6), the Old  Testament equivalent of monks and nuns. In the New  Testament, Anna the  prophetess seems to have lived like a cloistered  nun, as "she did not  depart from the temple, worshiping with fasting  and prayer night and  day" (Luke 2:37). Paul tells us of an order of  widows devoted to good  works who had vowed to not marry again (cf. 1  Tim. 5:9–12).
The Last Rites and the death Cookie then come back and give me your thoughts
  • Eucharist
Chick makes the usual charges against the Eucharist. He doesn’t like the Real Presence and the sacrifice of the Mass in particular. He even says that the Mass is not mentioned in Scripture, despite the fact that the very first Mass occurred during the Last Supper (cf. Luke 22:19–20). The charges he makes have been answered many times.
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				What is distinctive about his approach is the attempt he makes to  link the Eucharist with paganism. 					He claims: "On the altars of Egypt were sun-shaped wafers made of  unleavened bread. 					These wafers were consecrated by the Egyptian priests and  supposedly they magically became the flesh of the sun god, Osiris."[52]
				
				Although Osiris was an Egyptian god, he wasn’t the sun god. 					That was Ra (in some cases identified with Horus). 					Osiris was the grain god and the god of the dead. 					There were grain cakes (little and not so little) connected with  the worship of Osiris, but, since he wasn’t the sun god, they were not  shaped like the sun. 					They were shaped like a man since Osiris was pictured as a man. 					The use of these grain men was connected with Osiris’s annual cycle  as the god of grain. 					Every year, the Egyptians made cakes shaped like Osiris out of  grain as an offering asking the grain god to reappear and make the land  fruitful again. 					According to Egyptian wall art, priests even watered the cakes to  get the grain in them to sprout and send up shoots. 					These Osiris cakes weren’t anything like communion wafers.[53]
				
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Another of Chick’s attempts to link the Eucharist with paganism is found in his frequent depictions of the host imprinted with the letters IHS. He tells the reader that this stands for a trio of Egyptian gods (who were *not *a trinity, incidentally). Chick’s claim is nonsense. The letters aren’t English at all, but Greek. In fact, they are the first three letters of Jesus’ name in Greek: iota-eta-sigma (capital eta in Greek looks like the English H). This has been a common abbreviation for Jesus throughout Church history.
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				Though you wouldn’t know it from Chick, few Catholics have ever *seen*  a host imprinted with these letters. Most hosts either have nothing on  them or a cross design. What design, if any, is imprinted on a host is  up to the maker. There is no Church regulation on this, and few makers  have used the IHS design. Yet Chick would lead one to believe that it is  omnipresent in Catholic churches.
Like many, Chick does not understand what the term anathema means. He thinks that it means “damned as a heretic.”[41] Elsewhere he uses “damned as a heretic” in place of the word anathema.[42]
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				But this is not what the term means. In Catholic documents the term  refers to a kind of excommunication. By the time of the Council of  Trent (which Chick faults for using it), it referred to an  excommunication done with a special ceremony. Thus when Trent says  things like "If anyone says . . . let him be anathema," it means that  the person can be excommunicated with the ceremony. It also did not  apply to Protestants since they were not part of the Catholic Church.  Only someone who is part of the Catholic Church can be excommunicated  from it.

				The purpose of excommunication is not to damn a person but to bring  him to repentance—the same principle Paul uses in 1 Corinthians 5 and 2  Corinthians 2:5–10.

				Further, though ordinary excommunication still exists, the  ceremonial form of excommunication (anathema) does not exist. The 1983 *Code of Canon Law*  ended the penalty. Thus, while one can still be excommunicated for  holding beliefs against the Catholic faith, one cannot be anathematized.
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Chick occasionally takes swipes at the Catholic Church for not teaching “assurance of salvation” and cites verses such as 1 John 5:13—“I write this to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.” He’s taking this verse out of context. John has just been giving tests by which one can tell whether one is in a state of salvation (1 John 4:16–5:12). These tests include whether one believes in God and Jesus, whether one loves God and one’s neighbor, and whether one keeps God’s commandments. This means that one can have a reasoned assurance of salvation but not an absolute one. One cannot claim to “know” that one has eternal life without applying (and passing) the tests, and there is always the possibility that one could be self-deceived about whether one passes the tests. Thus assurance can be only relative, not absolute.
  • Faith Alone
One would expect Chick to have problems with Catholic teaching on salvation, and he does. The verses he uses most often[54] to attack it are Ephesians 2:8–9—“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God—not because of works, lest any man should boast.”
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				Catholics agree with what is being said in these verses. Even if  one grants Chick’s understanding of "works" in this passage as "good  works" rather than "works of the [Mosaic] Law," it remains true. Good  works do not contribute to our coming to God and being saved. In fact,  Catholic theology holds that it is *impossible* for a person who is  not in a state of justification to do good works, because he lacks the  principle—charity—that makes them supernaturally good. It is when one is  in a state of justification and has the virtue of charity that good  works become possible.
  • Other Christs
Chick periodically rails against Catholics worshiping multiple Jesuses, as in this picture:Let us see if Chick’s charge of idolatry holds up:
  • Images of the Baby Jesus: Catholics do not worship these. They worship Jesus by venerating images of him, just as one might kiss a photo of a departed loved one.
  • Crucifixes: First, who says that Jesus on the cross is dead? He is depicted being crucified, and there is no reason to suppose that crucifixes depict only the brief time between when he died and when he was taken down from the cross. Second, we worship the real Jesus in heaven by venerating his image on earth. The crucifix is an image of the most important thing he did for us on earth.
  • The Pope: The pope is not “Jesus on earth,” and Catholics don’t worship him. He is the vicar (representative) of Christ. What is wrong with treating one of Christ’s representatives with respect?
  • Priests: Priests aren’t worshiped, but they do represent Christ as his ministers. Don’t Protestants treat their own ministers with respect (1 Thess. 5:12)?
  • The Eucharist: The Eucharist is worshiped, but since it is Jesus himself it does not amount to worshiping “another” Jesus. Many other Christians, including Lutherans, believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist (although they do not in fact have the Real Presence in their churches) and recognize that Jesus is to be worshiped wherever he is.
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      			**Purgatory**
Chick claims: “Purgatory is NOT in the Bible! It was created by the Vatican as one of the greatest sources for money ever invented. Billions have made ‘the Whore’ rich from poor Roman Catholic survivors who paid to get their loved ones out of purgatory.”[75]
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				What Chick is referring to (as he makes clear in context) is the  paying of Mass stipends when a priest says Mass for a departed loved  one. This does not make the Vatican rich. A typical Mass stipend is five  dollars, and if a priest gets an occasional five dollars for saying  Mass for someone’s loved one, it doesn’t make him or the Church rich.  The priest himself keeps the stipend, and the practice is closely  regulated to prevent abuse.[76] As a moneymaking scheme, purgatory  leaves a lot to be desired.

				But then that isn’t what it is. It has been part of the  Judeo-Christian tradition since before the time of Christ. Judah  Maccabee and his men prayed for and took up a collection for an offering  (the Old Testament equivalent of a Mass) for men who, although they  "fell asleep in godliness" (2 Macc. 12:45), nevertheless needed to be  purified from the consequences of their sins. Similarly, Paul tells us:  "The fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work  which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a  reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he  himself will be saved, but only as through fire" (1 Cor. 3:13–15). Even  common sense tells one that, since we will be totally pure in heaven, we  must be purified if we are still impure at our deaths. Purgatory is the  name the Church gives to this purification.
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As for his stuff on Salvation, I have an answer on my blog. Who REALLY Preaches “A Different Gospel”?

I won’t waste any more time or bandwidth on the other 2 piece of Chick a-C propaganda, but anyone who wants to really see just how intensely fouled up that stuff is need only take the time to read The Nightmare World of Jack T. Chick and see it well refuted here at Catholic Answers.

You might also want to read this article from someone who used to buy into this source.
Did the Catholic Church Have Its Origin in Paganism? (This Rock …

Preacherman…if you’re out there reading this…you need to start honestly looking at the stuff you’ve been fed and believed. Does it make sense that someone who so grossly misrepresents the Catholic faith is a reliable source for truth? If your teachers and other preachers share that same belief isn’t it time to do your own homework and discover the real truth? It will take the courage of your convictions if you really believe them.

May the Holy Spirit open your eyes and heart and convict you of His truth.
In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Amen.
 
***Thank you to all who participated in this discussion. This thread is now closed.

 
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