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SalamKhan;14733398]The position of the Ahlus Sunnah W’al Jama`at is that the Qur’an is the Speech of Allah, which is uncreated;
You begin the path to a true Trinity divine revelation, so long as you do not allow the “Speech of Allah” to cease at any time. And if? you can accept that Love is not an attribute of God, when God is Love.

We as Christians believe that the Word of God is eternal and living, when God is One. The Word of God is God. Divine revelation and or Holy Writ. is God breathed or inspired by God the Holy Spirit. We do not divide God (the Father) from His Word (God the Son) or From His Love (God the Holy Spirit). This God divinely revealed to our humanity in space and time.
but that the actions of humans are created. The easiest way to explain this would be this example:
  1. Allah is uncreated.
Here is a mystery by divine revelation; In the beginning, Was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word is God, and the Word became flesh.

We believe God is the creator of all things visible and invisible. We believe all things were created by the (speech) Word of God, we believe God the Holy Spirit give’s life to all things living visible and invisible. Because God lives, speaks and Love’s distinctly by divine revelation, this divine revelation, never equates God to being divided, separated or confused from His divine Word, when God’s Word became Incarnate in space and time for the SAKE of our humanity.
  1. You write Allah’s Name on a piece of paper.
  1. The paper or ink does not become uncreated.
God divinely speaks here through is Word (Matthew 5:18) " For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished".

May the peace and Love of Jesus Christ be with you
 
Jesus was a human. Can a human take position of God?
Yes, Jesus was born of the Blessed Virgin Mary, perfect human in every way except sin.

This is how the Word of God teaches believers to have the same mindset and understanding of Jesus, when He walked the earth in His flesh. When God’s Word never returns void.
Phil.2:5-11
“In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father”.

Peace be with you
 
I suppose another thing to add would be that commonly Muslims affirm the the Gospels and the Torah. Yet, if this is true then Islam is false. For to accept the Gospels and Torah would mean denying Islam. As they don’t lead to Islam. Either the Bible is inspired or it isn’t. If it’s not inspired then Islam is false. Either way Islam is false.
 
I suppose another thing to add would be that commonly ***Muslims affirm the the Gospels and the Torah. *** Yet, if this is true then Islam is false. For to accept the Gospels and Torah would mean denying Islam. As they don’t lead to Islam.
Re: covenants from God, OT and NT

The OT covenant ***

God established with Abraham is

Abraham-------->-----------Isaac----------> Jacob through Sara
NOT
Abraham----------->Ishmael through Hagar (this supposedly is the direction Muslims claim)

**
*The NT covenant ***

is from and through Jesus

Matthew 26:28
for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Mark 14:24
And he said to them, “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.

Luke 22:20
And likewise the cup after supper, saying, “This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.
 
Yes, Jesus was born of the Blessed Virgin Mary, perfect human in every way except sin.

This is how the Word of God teaches believers to have the same mindset and understanding of Jesus, when He walked the earth in His flesh. When God’s Word never returns void.
Phil.2:5-11
“In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father”.

Peace be with you
No. A human cannot take position of God. But you claim God take position of a human! That is not true. But by way of you think God can take any form which is not valid. For instance it is said that God(Holy Spirit) took form of a dove! Nobody had answered that I asked many times? Hımmm… That means God can take any form of an animal. God is so humble!
 
Yes, Jesus was born of the Blessed Virgin Mary, perfect human in every way except sin.

This is how the Word of God teaches believers to have the same mindset and understanding of Jesus, when He walked the earth in His flesh. When God’s Word never returns void.
Phil.2:5-11
“In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father”.

Peace be with you
Bible is revelation(at least writings from revelation by mouth of people) from God and in it Godhead of Jesus is not explained. Qur’an is pure revelation and Qur’an do not affirm such thing. Such thought conflicts with divine and eternal attributions of God. But for sake of tradition unfortunately revelation is ignored. Tradition is very important offcourse. But tradition should not take position of revelation.
 
Yes, Jesus was born of the Blessed Virgin Mary, perfect human in every way except sin.

This is how the Word of God teaches believers to have the same mindset and understanding of Jesus, when He walked the earth in His flesh. When God’s Word never returns void.
Phil.2:5-11
“In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father”.

Peace be with you
All prophets were sinless(but not flawless).

Can an eternal being be mortal? God do not die and not suffer, or do? If you say yes but that support materialism.

You say Father exalted Jesus and that is just Qur’an says. But why overstock the mark? God do not take nature of servants but God create natures. And Jesus was created without a father which is very easy for God.
 
God can share His power with Jesus to do miracles - yes or no?
Catholic Encyclopedia

“To Christ even as man, or to His humanity, was granted a perpetual and constant power of miracles. He was able of His free will to work them as often as He judged it expedient For this He had the ever-ready concurrence of His Divinity, although there was in His Humanity no permanent quality which could be the physical cause of miracles.”

and

“The gift of miracles, as one of these charismata, was expressly promised by Christ to His disciples (John 14:12; Mark 16:17-18), and St. Paul mentions it as abiding in the Church.”

Devine, A. (1911). Gift of Miracles. In The Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company. newadvent.org/cathen/10350a.htm
 
God can share His power with Jesus to do miracles - yes or no?
Many prophets performed miracles. God can change laws to affirm prophets. And if God give someone a great power but that does not make him a god! The owner of everything is Father(God).
 
Many prophets performed miracles. God can change laws to affirm prophets. And if God give someone a great power but that does not make him a god! The owner of everything is Father(God).
Judaism agrees with this. Further, miracles per se are not to be taken as evidence of being G-d, as Moses himself cautions us in Deuteronomy.
 
All prophets were sinless(but not flawless).

Can an eternal being be mortal? God do not die and not suffer, or do? If you say yes but that support materialism.

You say Father exalted Jesus and that is just Qur’an says. But why overstock the mark? God do not take nature of servants but God create natures. And Jesus was created without a father which is very easy for God.
The Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) are divine so not created. The person of the Son of God is not created, but there is a human soul and body created in time which was assumed by the person of the Son of God. Therefore Jesus Christ has both divine and human natures and divine and human wills. Christianity does not believes in creation of the world from nothing by God and denies emanation from God, such as has been commonly taught by Arabic philosophers, producing an intermediate level of creation between God and humanity occupied by the prophets.
 
The Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) are divine so not created. The person of the Son of God is not created, but there is a human soul and body created in time which was assumed by the person of the Son of God. Therefore Jesus Christ has both divine and human natures and divine and human wills. Christianity does not believes in creation of the world from nothing by God and denies emanation from God, such as has been commonly taught by Arabic philosophers, producing an intermediate level of creation between God and humanity occupied by the prophets.
Divine nature assumed human soul! What do that mean? So do we have a god who is assumed to be in time and space? Yes yes such thoughts just can be assumed!

You use Arabic philosophers! That is the problem because doctrines were established by philosophers so you think Qur’an is words of philosophers. But Qur’an is pure revelation. The words in Qur’an are belong to Father(God) who is in OT and NT. You can check. If you do not believe in revelation but that is a very serious responsibility.
 
Divine nature assumed human soul! What do that mean? So do we have a god who is assumed to be in time and space? Yes yes such thoughts just can be assumed!

You use Arabic philosophers! That is the problem because doctrines were established by philosophers so you think Qur’an is words of philosophers. But Qur’an is pure revelation. The words in Qur’an are belong to Father(God) who is in OT and NT. You can check. If you do not believe in revelation but that is a very serious responsibility.
Not divine nature assumed human soul and body, but divine person the Son of God assumed human soul and body. Therefore Jesus Christ has both divine and human natures.

Catholics will not accept any Arabic philosophy in conflict with Christian, because we are bound to the Truth revealed by Jesus Christ and expressed in the dogmas of faith and that there will be no further Revelation.

Catechism:

God has said everything in his Word

65 "In many and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son."26 Christ, the Son of God made man, is the Father’s one, perfect and unsurpassable Word. In him he has said everything; there will be no other word than this one. St. John of the Cross, among others, commented strikingly on Hebrews 1:1-2:

In giving us his Son, his only Word (for he possesses no other), he spoke everything to us at once in this sole Word - and he has no more to say. . . because what he spoke before to the prophets in parts, he has now spoken all at once by giving us the All Who is His Son. Any person questioning God or desiring some vision or revelation would be guilty not only of foolish behavior but also of offending him, by not fixing his eyes entirely upon Christ and by living with the desire for some other novelty.
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There will be no further Revelation
66 "The Christian economy, therefore, since it is the new and definitive Covenant, will never pass away; and no new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ."28 Yet even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries.​
 
Not divine nature assumed human soul and body, but divine person the Son of God assumed human soul and body. Therefore Jesus Christ has both divine and human natures.

Catholics will not accept any Arabic philosophy in conflict with Christian, because we are bound to the Truth revealed by Jesus Christ and expressed in the dogmas of faith and that there will be no further Revelation.

Catechism:

God has said everything in his Word

65 "In many and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son."26 Christ, the Son of God made man, is the Father’s one, perfect and unsurpassable Word. In him he has said everything; there will be no other word than this one. St. John of the Cross, among others, commented strikingly on Hebrews 1:1-2:

In giving us his Son, his only Word (for he possesses no other), he spoke everything to us at once in this sole Word - and he has no more to say. . . because what he spoke before to the prophets in parts, he has now spoken all at once by giving us the All Who is His Son. Any person questioning God or desiring some vision or revelation would be guilty not only of foolish behavior but also of offending him, by not fixing his eyes entirely upon Christ and by living with the desire for some other novelty.
27
There will be no further Revelation
66 "The Christian economy, therefore, since it is the new and definitive Covenant, will never pass away; and no new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ."28 Yet even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries.​
You say Jesus has a human soul and that is good at least we agree on. And also you say God assumed that soul so humanity of Jesus is also divine which make Him God! I cannot understand that. If God had interacted with soul of Jesus by anyway so why do we call Jesus to be God? And I cannot understand the nature of “assuming”. Can anyone elaborate that?

Jesus Himself said that He was a prophet.

4-Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town, among his relatives and in his own home.” Mark 6

Jesus always said Father had given Him and Father is superior and Father is unique good etc… I mean Jesus never talked about divine!? part of Himself. Here some verses:

36 ¶ But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Matthew 24

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. John 10

18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. Mark 10

I ask why do you call Jesus as god? There is none god but one, that is, God(Father)

If divine nature of (God)Jesus had assumed human soul so Jesus would not say “call me not good!”

You are bound to Catechism. Is Catechism something above revelation? Or are writings of philosophers above Gospels?

Qur’an is pure revelation and Jesus declared that.

16- And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; John 14
 
You say Jesus has a human soul and that is good at least we agree on. And also you say God assumed that soul so humanity of Jesus is also divine which make Him God! I cannot understand that. If God had interacted with soul of Jesus by anyway so why do we call Jesus to be God? And I cannot understand the nature of “assuming”. Can anyone elaborate that?

Jesus Himself said that He was a prophet.

4-Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town, among his relatives and in his own home.” Mark 6

Jesus always said Father had given Him and Father is superior and Father is unique good etc… I mean Jesus never talked about divine!? part of Himself. Here some verses:

36 ¶ But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Matthew 24

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. John 10

18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. Mark 10

I ask why do you call Jesus as god? There is none god but one, that is, God(Father)

If divine nature of (God)Jesus had assumed human soul so Jesus would not say “call me not good!”

You are bound to Catechism. Is Catechism something above revelation? Or are writings of philosophers above Gospels?

Qur’an is pure revelation and Jesus declared that.

16- And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; John 14
And that other Comforter is thought to be Muhammad according to Islam? If so, why not some other prophet such as the Bab? Not Abrahamic? Or perhaps a Comforter who has not yet arrived, such as the Messiah?
 
You say Jesus has a human soul and that is good at least we agree on. And also you say God assumed that soul so humanity of Jesus is also divine which make Him God! I cannot understand that. If God had interacted with soul of Jesus by anyway so why do we call Jesus to be God? And I cannot understand the nature of “assuming”. Can anyone elaborate that?

Jesus Himself said that He was a prophet.

4-Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town, among his relatives and in his own home.” Mark 6

Jesus always said Father had given Him and Father is superior and Father is unique good etc… I mean Jesus never talked about divine!? part of Himself. Here some verses:

36 ¶ But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Matthew 24

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. John 10

18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. Mark 10

I ask why do you call Jesus as god? There is none god but one, that is, God(Father)

If divine nature of (God)Jesus had assumed human soul so Jesus would not say “call me not good!”

You are bound to Catechism. Is Catechism something above revelation? Or are writings of philosophers above Gospels?

Qur’an is pure revelation and Jesus declared that.

16- And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; John 14
The Holy Trinity is three persons indivisible and indwelling reciprocally in one another. The human person is composed of a soul and body. When the Son of God (one person on the Holy Trinity) assumed a human nature the person of the Son of God took assumed a human nature in the incarnation of Jesus Christ. The Trinity, which itself is impenetrable, penetrates the humanity, so Jesus Christ is deified without ceasing to be perfectly human.

You see the affirmation of the belief by the Apostles.

John 1:1, 14 (RSV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. . . . [14] And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father.

2 Peter 1:1 . . . our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

At times Jesus spoke as from human viewpoint and at other times affirmed his divinity.

John 10:30 “I and the Father are one.”

John 20:27 Then he saith to Thomas: Put in thy finger hither, and see my hands; and bring hither thy hand, and put it into my side; and be not faithless, but believing. 28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

God speaks:

Matthew 23:34 Therefore behold I send to you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them you will put to death and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city: …

Matthew 23:37 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered together thy children, as the hen doth gather her chickens under her wings, and thou wouldest not?
 
And that other Comforter is thought to be Muhammad according to Islam? If so, why not some other prophet such as the Bab? Not Abrahamic? Or perhaps a Comforter who has not yet arrived, such as the Messiah?
For instance Bab was a Muslim and has no original revelation. He should be an intellectual and moraly high scholar in religion but he has not valid revelation and has not standarts of a prophet.

Qur’an is the best evidence. Qur’an cannot be words of Muhammad who was unlearned. Qur’an is miraculous at least by seven ways. It took to long to explain but I give just headlines.
  1. Literature of Qur’an is miraculous.
  2. Contents of Qur’an is so extensive which just God could know such inclusive knowledges.
  3. Giving the true knowledges which includes all times from creating of universe to eternal.
  4. Qur’an always stands and remain young and durable. Morever in the length of time Qur’an becomes more young because some detail can be undertand by time.
  5. Qur’an address to all people from uneducated to professor in all times. God just can do such thing.
  6. With very short words Qur’an explain many things. There are thousands of interpretations(Tafsir) to explain all these meanings. Muhammad was not so aware!
  7. Qur’an is so lovely and pleasant cause no any boring and tired by reading every day. A child can memorise whole verses.
Sahabas were witness of revelation and they saw remarks of prophethood on Muhammad. They were so hard and rough but by principles of Islam they learnt very much.

The second evidence is Muhammad Himself. He had all good attributes. Just think a good deed and there is no anyone to be better than Muhammad. He was most devous and obey all rules of religion. Nobody could do as much as Him. He worshiped God during very of nights. He could not change a law by Himself. He was not rich. …

15 ¶ Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Matthew 7

All fruits from Muhammad are good.

42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. Matthew 21

The kingdom of God were taken from Jews. In a Hadith Muhammad said: With me the representation of prophets do like a villa but the place of a brick is empity. People look at it and say that is very nice but the place of that brick is empity. So that villa is completed with me.

Here Muhammad says He is the stone which Jesus had informed.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. John 16

Muhammad guided humanbeing to all truth. Muhammad did not talk from Himself. He told what He heard. That is explained in Qur’an:

3- Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination.
4-It is not but a revelation revealed, An-Najm(53)

Messiah is Jesus Himself.
 
The Holy Trinity is three persons indivisible and indwelling reciprocally in one another. The human person is composed of a soul and body. When the Son of God (one person on the Holy Trinity) assumed a human nature the person of the Son of God took assumed a human nature in the incarnation of Jesus Christ. The Trinity, which itself is impenetrable, penetrates the humanity, so Jesus Christ is deified without ceasing to be perfectly human.

You see the affirmation of the belief by the Apostles.

John 1:1, 14 (RSV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. . . . [14] And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father.

2 Peter 1:1 . . . our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

At times Jesus spoke as from human viewpoint and at other times affirmed his divinity.

John 10:30 “I and the Father are one.”

John 20:27 Then he saith to Thomas: Put in thy finger hither, and see my hands; and bring hither thy hand, and put it into my side; and be not faithless, but believing. 28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

God speaks:

Matthew 23:34 Therefore behold I send to you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them you will put to death and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city: …

Matthew 23:37 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered together thy children, as the hen doth gather her chickens under her wings, and thou wouldest not?
Holy Spirit is assumed to be one divine personality of God, true? So Holy Spirit took form of a dove. Did God also assumed an animal sould and body?

The word directly refer not to Jesus. Jesus also is called Kalimullah(word of God) in Islam. But nobody think Jesus is god. There are many different interpretations of John1:1. My one is that God create every thing through words. That is explained in Qur’an.

117- Originator of the heavens and the earth. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, “Be,” and it is. Al-Baqarah(2)

Jesus was born without a father and that is very easy for God. God said be"a word" and it is.

Jesus was a savior but not God.

I and Father are one! So that prove that Jesus claimed to be divine? No. We should read the whole case. Jesus tried to persuade people to believe in Him and Jesus reject accusing of people to claim being divine. We must start from 25 to 37:

25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me.

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.

30 I and my Father are one.

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” prove Godhead of Jesus? No. I think we should look at original text to have true interpretation.
 
Holy Spirit is assumed to be one divine personality of God, true? So Holy Spirit took form of a dove. Did God also assumed an animal sould and body?
no. Because animal souls do not need salvation from sin. The Holy Spirit has blessed the entire Creation by restoring it.
The word directly refer not to Jesus. Jesus also is called Kalimullah(word of God) in Islam. But nobody think Jesus is god. There are many different interpretations of John1:1. My one is that God create every thing through words. That is explained in Qur’an.
nobody, or those considered by mainstream to be “orthodox”?
117- Originator of the heavens and the earth. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, “Be,” and it is. Al-Baqarah(2)
Jesus was born without a father and that is very easy for God. God said be"a word" and it is.
so you say, but that does not disprove the Christian belief, only provide an Islamic counter belief
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” prove Godhead of Jesus? No. I think we should look at original text to have true interpretation.
What did the Apostles teach, not what you, Islam or the Bab taught, the Apostles and the Church?
 
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