An Atheist ex-witch serving you the Eucharist.

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It looks like your mother is in denial about the fact that you are an atheist and maybe telling herself that you’re just confused at the moment?

To the question of what would people think if they found out you were an atheist serving communion, I’d bet that some would be extremely pissed off at you and consider this to be a grave sacrilege. Likewise your leadership role in the youth groups will come into question and you’d have a scandal.

I’d advise you to stop doing these things. Tell the priest you’re an atheist. People can respect honesty, they will not respect what they might conclude is duplicity or subversion.
 
Abbadon said:
Yes. Funnily enough I am fairly well versed in the bible and Christianity and am rather involved in youth group. I try and do my bit to bring rationality and a modern moral perspective to what I see as a rather dark age irrational situation. I’m also good friends with the local priest and nuns and often have lengthy debates on religion. However I’m not officially “out” as an atheist.
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So you regulary attend mass for something that you do not believe in? Sounds like a waste of time for a bunch of people.
 
Abbadon said:
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Then that is a serious sacrilege and you are committing mortal sin. I know you don’t believe in the concept of sin but it is a true concept. God will punish you for your sins as He will all of us for our sins.
 
Abbadon said:
I’m an athiest who used to be a witch/ pagan, I practice with friends still but out of tradition rather than belief. But

Not really… Couldn’t care less. And my family knows my official position on religion, i voice it very loudly. We argued often in the past. But now that I’m no longer a teenager I just king of let it go and I go to church and we just don’t talk about it. I mean sure we still on occasion argue hard, I try my best not to bring it up and leave it a non-issue…

I guess she is hoping that if I do the christian thing and am a good person even if I don’t believe, that her loving god won’t send the child she loves so much to hell to be tortured forever… Whatever helps her sleep at night… And I do it as a diplomatic conflict resolution…
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So you honestly believe that profaning another religion’s God is justifiable as a “diplomatic conflict resolution”??? 🤷:confused::mad:
 
Abbadon said:
I’m an athiest who used to be a witch/ pagan, I practice with friends still but out of tradition rather than belief. But

Not really… Couldn’t care less. And my family knows my official position on religion, i voice it very loudly. We argued often in the past. But now that I’m no longer a teenager I just king of let it go and I go to church and we just don’t talk about it. I mean sure we still on occasion argue hard, I try my best not to bring it up and leave it a non-issue…

I guess she is hoping that if I do the christian thing and am a good person even if I don’t believe, that her loving god won’t send the child she loves so much to hell to be tortured forever… Whatever helps her sleep at night… And I do it as a diplomatic conflict resolution…
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And your point is…??
 
Abbadon said:
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Then yes, I am sure some would care if they found out. Perhaps you could peruse the guidelines that hopefully can be found in your parish in the back flap of the missalette. Some parishes might not have those paper missalettes, though. Those guidelines request non-Christians to refrain from communion. This is part of why they would care, since it is what they request of you, and so they quite reasonably may be expected to be unhappy that you do not comply. They would also be concerned for your well-being. That, in fact, would likely be the initial response you receive. We believe it can be harmful to receive if one is not properly disposed. Also, falling away from the faith is perceived as harmful as well. I could list more considerations, but these seem sufficient.

I know you didn’t ask, but I think overall it is best to live in truth, and not a pretense of something. Receiving Eucharist is an outward expression of a unity that is not there, in truth interiorly, in your case. Also, going to mass and distributing communion does not reflect the truth of what you believe, nor does it reflect truth in your relationship with your mother. Whatever helps your mom sleep at night is not the way to go. If you leave things in dishonesty, the real and the true can never blossom between you two. In my opinion, real is better than fake. And if fake is all you think is available with your mom, still I say you can at least have truth with the Catholic community and not falsely take communion with them. We have folks at our parish who never receive, but still take part in our community (and we like them :)).
 
Okay the general jist of it seems to be slightly offended yet no difference is made to the sacrament it’s self. Other than the damning of my soul and my own mortal sinning, which I don’t care about anyway…

Now I pose another predicament. While on youth camp one year I heard about some satanic groups that pay handsomely to swap the communion wafer with some hexed or cursed wafer. I sought but could not find any such group so it’s highly likely that the pastor was making it up, as they are often prone to do.

But if this given scenario was real. Access to the communion is very easy for me and my little brother (alter boy). And no doubt for some money he and I could collude to swap literally all the wafers for identical yet “cursed” wafers.

Now I know since it would defy everything we know about chemistry and biology, that nothing would happen. But I’m curious as to peoples thoughts about this. What do you think would happen? and how do you know if you are not eating cursed communion?
 
Abbadon, your posts smack of insincerity, to say the least.

To answer your hypothetical demon communion situation, that’s just absurd. It would be sheer paranoia for every parishoner to worry, at every Mass they attend, that Satanist/Hexed hosts are being given to them. Given that you have only “heard” of this happening, it seems unlikely that it is at all, in any significant sense. People often are swayed by stories of Satanism, and it can cause hysteria, such as when there were a wave of sexual molestation arrests in 70’s because children were supposedly being molested or sacrificed during Satantic ritual. Those periods of time, however, have also provided fairly strong evidence, once they were disproven, that fear of Satanists or Satanism is largely unfounded.

Given that you also have experience with Wiccanism/Witchcraft/etc., I also have to assume that you also know, however, that Satanism is not a very significant or populated movement. Which leads me to why I believe your posts are insincere, since it would be easy to prey upon the fears of good Catholics/Christians living in fear of a largely impotent “Satanist” movement. To make a post saying you’ve “heard” that Satanists are providing hexed hosts to parishoners seems like intentional provocation.
 
Abbadon said:
Okay the general jist of it seems to be slightly offended yet no difference is made to the sacrament it’s self. Other than the damning of my soul and my own mortal sinning, which I don’t care about anyway…

Now I pose another predicament. While on youth camp one year I heard about some satanic groups that pay handsomely to swap the communion wafer with some hexed or cursed wafer. I sought but could not find any such group so it’s highly likely that the pastor was making it up, as they are often prone to do.

But if this given scenario was real. Access to the communion is very easy for me and my little brother (alter boy). And no doubt for some money he and I could collude to swap literally all the wafers for identical yet “cursed” wafers.

Now I know since it would defy everything we know about chemistry and biology, that nothing would happen. But I’m curious as to peoples thoughts about this. What do you think would happen? and how do you know if you are not eating cursed communion?
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Obviously, you don’t know as much about Catholic beliefs as you think you do. Given that the wafer (cursed or uncursed, no difference) was put with those to be used during a Mass, the blessing would transform it into Christ’s body. If God can transform bread into His body, I highly doubt a curse is going to matter. It’s almost laughable…in fact, it would be laughable if I didn’t pity you. I’ll pray.
 
ridiculeddisply said:
Abbadon, your posts smack of insincerity, to say the least.

To answer your hypothetical demon communion situation, that’s just absurd. It would be sheer paranoia for every parishoner to worry, at every Mass they attend, that Satanist/Hexed hosts are being given to them. Given that you have only “heard” of this happening, it seems unlikely that it is at all, in any significant sense. People often are swayed by stories of Satanism, and it can cause hysteria, such as when there were a wave of sexual molestation arrests in 70’s because children were supposedly being molested or sacrificed during Satantic ritual. Those periods of time, however, have also provided fairly strong evidence, once they were disproven, that fear of Satanists or Satanism is largely unfounded.

Given that you also have experience with Wiccanism/Witchcraft/etc., I also have to assume that you also know, however, that Satanism is not a very significant or populated movement. Which leads me to why I believe your posts are insincere, since it would be easy to prey upon the fears of good Catholics/Christians living in fear of a largely impotent “Satanist” movement. To make a post saying you’ve “heard” that Satanists are providing hexed hosts to parishoners seems like intentional provocation.
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It was only something I was told at a youth camp. I did mention that when I sought it for my self nothing came up. It was just a hypothetical based on IF what the pastor said was true. So what if it was true?
 
Abbadon said:
Now I know since it would defy everything we know about chemistry and biology, that nothing would happen. But I’m curious as to peoples thoughts about this. What do you think would happen? and how do you know if you are not eating cursed communion?
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Let me extend your example. If a person has access to swap the hosts, they have access to poison the hosts. Am I going around afraid that I am going to drop dead from poison? No. It is too low on the totem pole of potentials risks. An airplane could fall from the sky, land on my house, and kill my family. I’m not worried about that, either, but of course we all know this type of thing has actually happened (if not, pull old newspapers). I’m much more worried, if you could call it worry, that I will die in a traffic accident.

I’m not sure what you mean by “happen”. Nothing would happen. If the unconsecrated hosts in the sacristy had some words recited over them by a troubled individual, nothing would happen. They would be consecrated as usual at mass. If someone sat in the pews during mass reciting certain words as some sort of incantation against the Eucharist, it would do nothing.
 
Abbadon said:
Yes. Funnily enough I am fairly well versed in the bible and Christianity and am rather involved in youth group. I try and do my bit to bring rationality and a modern moral perspective to what I see as a rather dark age irrational situation. I’m also good friends with the local priest and nuns and often have lengthy debates on religion. However I’m not officially “out” as an atheist.
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Your refer to the local priest and nuns as your ‘good friends’ while allowing them to believe you are someone you are not.
You participate in extra-ordinary duties at Mass to appease your mother, again, knowing that is not who you really are.
You practice paganism with friends even though that isn’t what you believe either.
And finally you tell your little sister that fairies, santa claus and unicorns are real when you know they are not.
So, you are being dishonest to your ‘good friends’, your mother, your other friends, and your little sister. Are you being honest to anyone? Anyone at all?

By the way, I hope you merely attend youth groups as a participant and not as a leader. If I send my kids to a Catholic youth group I’m sending them expecting they will receive, this may come as a shock, a Catholic perspective. :eek: The ‘modern moral perspective’ I’m afraid, is cheap and easily had. No need to go out of my way to send my kids off to get it. So, please, you are already lying to priests, nuns, family and friends. At the very least, if you are serving in a leadership position at youth group, please have enough compassion in your heart to step down from such a position. There’s no need to spread lies to the youth, too.
 
Abbadon said:
Out of my mothers request I am a minister (I think that is what they are called). Either way I say the body of Christ (or blood if I got the chalice) and give people the wafer or wine.
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IF I believed you, I’d say your education in Catholicism and in being an EMHC fell through the cracks.

But you sound more like a troll.
 
Abbadon said:
Although an Atheist and a once practitioner (still lover) of witchcraft and paganism (just because it’s not real doesn’t mean you can’t like it), I am still rather involved in the church. Out of my mothers request I am a minister (I think that is what they are called). Either way I say the body of Christ (or blood if I got the chalice) and give people the wafer or wine.

So what are peoples thoughts about an ex-witch/pagan and current atheist serving them the body and blood of their lord savior Jesus Christ? I also used to serve when I was a witch to.
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I would say the pastor of your parish needs to brush up on his knowledge of his parishioners. Does he pick names out of a hat? :confused:
 
MY friends what is the difference between witchcraft and god. Both do thinks that can’t be done. God is a figure of you crazy imaginations. Wake up from your dream world. Religion is created to cause fear. Your religion makes people believe they will go to “Hell” if they don’t agree with your narrow minded words.
 
heisnotreal said:
MY friends what is the difference between witchcraft and god. Both do thinks that can’t be done. God is a figure of you crazy imaginations. Wake up from your dream world. Religion is created to cause fear. Your religion makes people believe they will go to “Hell” if they don’t agree with your narrow minded words.
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And you know that these things can’t be done how, exactly? You know for a fact that God is a figment of our imaginations? How, exactly, do you know this?

Furthermore, you believe this about religion then why lie about yourself and call yourself ‘Catholic’ in your profile? You’re certainly not going to convert anyone to your cause if you exhibit such dishonesty about who you are.
 
heisnotreal said:
MY friends what is the difference between witchcraft and god. Both do thinks that can’t be done. God is a figure of you crazy imaginations. Wake up from your dream world. Religion is created to cause fear. Your religion makes people believe they will go to “Hell” if they don’t agree with your narrow minded words.
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This is off topic. I think it is also a record for one person to make one post and within 20 minutes his account is under review.
 
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