An observation about the bible and book of mormon

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RebeccaJ said:
I doubt any Catholic is going to reconsider that position, as it is a very basic belief of Christianity. We look for hope in Christ.
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I did not really expct any Catholic here to change their position. The point I was making was that my faith enables me to do more than just hope! I can and do hope; however I also expect and anticipate answers to prayer - I don’t jut hope that they will be answered. I can say that “I hope God will answer my prayers” or I can say “I know that God will answer my prayers”. I choose the latter. Prayer is always answered. However, it is always answered on God’s time with God’s answer - not always what I want to hear.

Annie
 
Annie_B said:
I did not really expct any Catholic here to change their position. The point I was making was that my faith enables me to do more than just hope! I can and do hope; however I also expect and anticipate answers to prayer - I don’t jut hope that they will be answered. I can say that “I hope God will answer my prayers” or I can say “I know that God will answer my prayers”. I choose the latter. Prayer is always answered. However, it is always answered on God’s time with God’s answer - not always what I want to hear.

Annie
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and just so we are clear that is the same position that the Catholic church takes.
 
hosemonkey said:
You misunderstand. One can only hope that you will go back to wherever you came from and cease to vex honest Catholics.
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Hosemonkey:

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The rude comments are unnecessary and also unacceptable according to forum rules of conduct. If you feel you must resort to them, then don’t bother posting. Most everyone here seems that they are able to disagree in a more mature fashion than you have chosen. Follow their example.

Annie
 
Annie_B said:
Thank you - it was not obvious from the post I was referencing.

Annie
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I think I am lost. :confused:

Which post were you referencing?

The way I followed this is that hosemonkey made a remark that he hoped you would go back to wherever you came from (I don’t agree with that, BTW). You replied that prayer is better than hope. I thought it was an odd sidetrack, as the sort of hope that hosemonkey was talking about wasn’t really of the sort that has to do with faith. But, since you went there, I thought I would point out that we have hope in Christ.

I guess hosemonkey could pray for you to go back from wherever you came from. Myself, I wouldn’t give such a prayer. It would be better to pray for you.
 
RebeccaJ said:
I think I am lost. :confused:

Which post were you referencing?

The way I followed this is that hosemonkey made a remark that he hoped you would go back to wherever you came from (I don’t agree with that, BTW). You replied that prayer is better than hope. I thought it was an odd sidetrack, as the sort of hope that hosemonkey was talking about wasn’t really of the sort that has to do with faith. But, since you went there, I thought I would point out that we have hope in Christ.

I guess hosemonkey could pray for you to go back from wherever you came from. Myself, I wouldn’t give such a prayer. It would be better to pray for you.
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You are right about the type of hope that hosemonkey was referring to; I was just rying to bring it back to a spiritual level rather than let the pathetic sarcasm that is only aimed at insulting another (which did not work anyway:thumbsup: ) reign.
It worked even though it was slightly confusing;)

Annie
 
Annie_B said:
No - you misunderstand.

(Yes - the Mormons believe in the same God as you do!)

Annie
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No Annie, Catholics (Christians) and Mormons do not believe in the same god. The Christian God is the ONE God, always has been God and always will be God. He is the creator of the universe, of all that is seen and unseen. He is spirit; omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent and immutable; etc., etc., etc.

The Mormon god is corporeal, an exalted man from another planet who lives on a planet near the star kolob; he is one of many gods in the universe.

The two concepts are mutually exclusive.
 
RC_Matt said:
No Annie, Catholics (Christians) and Mormons do not believe in the same god. The Christian God is the ONE God, always has been God and always will be God. He is the creator of the universe, of all that is seen and unseen. He is spirit; omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent and immutable; etc., etc., etc.

The Mormon god is corporeal, an exalted man from another planet who lives on a planet near the star kolob; he is one of many gods in the universe.

The two concepts are mutually exclusive.
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You are wrong. I will not argue about it, but you are wrong. I will make you a deal though; you do not tell me what I believe and I will not tell you what you believe, ok?🙂

Annie
 
I’ll make YOU a deal. I won’t tell you what you believe as an individual but I will certainly tell the world what the LDS church teaches and has taught in the past. I will back up all of my claims with verifiable sources. All you have to do is stop telling us who we worship.
 
Annie_B said:
You are right about the type of hope that hosemonkey was referring to; I was just rying to bring it back to a spiritual level rather than let the pathetic sarcasm that is only aimed at insulting another (which did not work anyway:thumbsup: ) reign.
It worked even though it was slightly confusing;)

Annie
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That’s one way of looking at it I guess. Your replies to hosemonkey were meant to be insulting, so I don’t agree that you accomplished anything other than apparently your own sense of self satisfaction.
 
Annie_B said:
You are wrong. I will not argue about it, but you are wrong. I will make you a deal though; you do not tell me what I believe and I will not tell you what you believe, ok?🙂
Annie
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Hi Annie,

I said:

The Mormon god is corporeal,

"The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s” (D&C 130:22)

an exalted man from another planet

“God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!!! . . . We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea and take away the veil, so that you may see” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345)

who lives on a planet near the star kolob;

And the Lord said unto me: These are the governing ones; and the name of the great one is kolob because it is near unto me, for I am the Lord thy God…(BoA 3:3)

If two things exist, and there be one above the other, there shall be greater things above them; therefore Kolob is the greatest of all the Kokaubeam that thou hast seen, because it is nearest unto me… (BoA 3:16) ( Kokaubeam = Stars)

he is one of many gods in the universe.

Just go to the LDS website and read chapter four of the BoA.

No disrespect intended, but that is NOT the God we worship as Christians.
 
The tragic thing (and I mean that) is that the Mormons who come here to deny that they believe what we call false doctrines, simply do not know what their religion teaches.

On the other hand it is wonderful that their beliefs, in spite of their church, is much more Christian than their leaders would wish. 👍

God love 'em,
Paul
 
majick275 said:
I’ll make YOU a deal. I won’t tell you what you believe as an individual but I will certainly tell the world what the LDS church teaches and has taught in the past. I will back up all of my claims with verifiable sources. All you have to do is stop telling us who we worship.
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You sound a bit angry:confused: I have never told you who you worship except in the context that we worship the same God. Ok, so we disagree on that. Now, the non-Mormons here have been having a hay-day telling us who and what we worship. I think that the courtesy of telling the other what they worship or not should be extended to both sides. But, that would be next to impossible I am sure. Lighten up - nobody is telling you anything that is going to change your mind!

Annie
 
By the way, I would never send a Mormon to a Catholic to learn about the LDS church anymore than I would send a Catholic to a Mormon to learn bout the Catholic church. The vast majority here who are NOT LDS seem to think that they are an authority on the LDS church while the LDS members just sit back and watch you guys get angry and spout off whatever you think at the moment. Why is that? So far there has been nothing said by a Catholic that makes me either doubt my faith or want to look into theirs, That is sad.

Annie:(
 
Annie_B said:
By the way, I would never send a Mormon to a Catholic to learn about the LDS church anymore than I would send a Catholic to a Mormon to learn bout the Catholic church. The vast majority here who are NOT LDS seem to think that they are an authority on the LDS church while the LDS members just sit back and watch you guys get angry and spout off whatever you think at the moment. Why is that? So far there has been nothing said by a Catholic that makes me either doubt my faith or want to look into theirs, That is sad.

Annie:(
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It is more than possible that a mormon sent to a Catholic would learn more about mormonism by virtue of the facts that he may get from the Catholic are facts that his own church would not want him to know. It seems that very many mormons do not really know what mormonism believes or teaches. They just drift along in a fog of unknowing only to be greatly surprised and offended when presented with the truth. Another problem area arises when people from a religion with no credentials appear on CA forums, attacking and questioning the doctrines and beliefs of a Church founded by Jesus Christ Himself and bringing with it nearly two thousand years of history and scholarship. They come not to learn but to accuse the Catholic Church of “apostacy” and the like, most of the time unable to even define the term. Chutzpah, I call it.
 
that would be because many of us are former LDS who KNOW what the LDS church teaches and has taught in the past. We also know the milk before meat approach and other similar tactics. we know that just like scientology it’s difficult to get the full doctrine from an LDS. Catholics have a catechism, everyone can see what our doctrine is. LDS folow the example of gordon hinkley and say I don’t that we emphasize that or I don’t what that means. Yuo the individual may believe anything and I pretty much have to take your word on it. The LDS church on the other hand, is something I know enough about that I can easily speak to what they teach. You may believe that you worship the same God as me (assuming you know as much about catholicism as you do mormonism) But I know the mormon teaches a different worship AND a different God than the Catholic church and I am confident I can prove that from LDS sources.
 
Annie_B said:
By the way, I would never send a Mormon to a Catholic to learn about the LDS church anymore than I would send a Catholic to a Mormon to learn bout the Catholic church. The vast majority here who are NOT LDS seem to think that they are an authority on the LDS church while the LDS members just sit back and watch you guys get angry and spout off whatever you think at the moment. Why is that? So far there has been nothing said by a Catholic that makes me either doubt my faith or want to look into theirs, That is sad.

Annie:(
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The only problem with this statement is that when you ask a LDS a question about their church, they dont actually answer. From what I have seen, the getting angry has been hapening on both “sides” which happens in debates. So that is really a non-issue.

But you are right, that is sad. Because you appear not to even know what your faith is to doubt it. I hope that you look into those questions that I asked you, for yourself rather than me.
 
Annie_B said:
Hosemonkey:

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Messages posted to this board must be polite and free of personal attacks, threats, and crude or sexually-explicit language, rude comments and innuendo.

The rude comments are unnecessary and also unacceptable according to forum rules of conduct. If you feel you must resort to them, then don’t bother posting. Most everyone here seems that they are able to disagree in a more mature fashion than you have chosen. Follow their example.

Annie
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I am quite aware of the rules and have no need of lectures from the likes of you. I am not rude, I merely speak directly, with candor.
 
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