And Then They Came for J.K. Rowling

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Lou2U said:
I think perhaps one of the worst responses are from those that mean well, but create a “hysterical woman” narrative. I read someone who said Rowling’s trauma had affected her ability to be rational about the bathroom issues, and so she should be respected but ultimately ignored.
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She also got accused by her publisher of having a “middle aged moment” because of the gender-critical remarks she made back in December.

She’s 54.

The ageism and misogyny around this is breathtaking.
 
Lou2U said:
What I find the most sinister is people insisting Rowling needs to “educate” herself, or that people have tried to “educate” her. What they really mean is “fall in line!”. You aren’t allowed to “educate” yourself and disagree.
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Yes, and this is why it’s so hard for doctors and scientists to research trans issues.
If your findings diverge from the activist narrative, you will be deplatformed.
 
twf said:
This doesn’t register for me. The author has herself stated that her fictional fantastical world has nothing to do with real world Wicca. Within the context of the story, there are no invocations of demons or spirits or any other external entities…there’s a “race” of wizards who are born with natural magical gifts. Its actually a very key plot point that regular human beings CAN’T practice magic…that’s why Harry is abused as a child…his aunt’s jealousy that she’s an ordinary human who could never do magic no matter how hard she tries. If you condemn this fictional portrayal of fantastical magic, then you must logically also condemn every fairy tale, Lord of the Rings (written by a devout Catholic), the Chronicles of Narnia, and pretty much every Disney cartoon ever made from the early 20th century on… if you don’t, I don’t get the logic.

I can show you where Harry Potter quotes Scripture. I can show you where Dumbledore explains to Harry how his mother’s sacrifice, how by shedding her blood for her son, she saved him. I can give you many examples of the Christian symbolism in the books…but no one can provide me with a single shred of proof that there are actual demonic references. No one even tries. Its just “a priest said it so shut up and believe it or you are condemned”.

What I see in all of these threads is grave slander against a public figure. She says the Christian symbolism in the books is real. She says there is no Wicca in the books. You’re condemning her in a public forum of promoting the diabolical…that is a VERY grave charge…if you can’t prove if, you’re in morally dangerous territory…especially as you’re openly condemning Catholics who enjoy the books.
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If you don’t think humans can do magic you are terribly mistaken. There is real magic in the world that is done through the power of satan. Harry Potter books glorify magic, wizards, spells, etc. It tries to normalize it, mask it in good because the character does good with it, etc. Wizards, spells, etc. are all entry points for Satan, regardless if they are done in complete innocence and lighthearted fun. It is no different than playing with a Ouija board for “fun”. It is extremely dangerous as one is opening themselves up to the evil of Satan that roams the earth. Satan needs to be invited in, and when we crack the door to those aspects of the world, his smoke can enter freely.

You are making light of this dark world, just as Jk Rowling does with her books. Tolkien is much different and trying to connect them as similar is disingenuous.

I am not slandering anybody. I am making known what information there is out there on the subject. Pretty much every exorcist says to avoid Harry Potter. Go argue the exorcists if you have a problem with it. I will confidently repeat my assertion as well that the story of Harry Potter discusses things that are of the occult. The occult is an entry point for Satan. Is JK Rowling promoting the occult and Satan? Who knows. But what is certain is the books are making lighthearted entertainment of the occult and it is targeted towards children, Satan’s favorite prey.
 
c4csp said:
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twf:
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If you don’t think humans can do magic you are terribly mistaken. There is real magic in the world that is done through the power of satan.
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You missed my point. Yes, I know that the Occult in real life is both real and dangerous. I was pointing out that the fictional characters of Harry Potter do not employ Occult magic at all. Normal humans, in the fictional world Rowling created, cannot do magic…its a natural gift that wizards are born with…like a superpower in X-Men. And yes, I can draw many analogies with Lord of the Rings and other fantasy.
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
She also got accused by her publisher of having a “middle aged moment” because of the gender-critical remarks she made back in December.

She’s 54.

The ageism and misogyny around this is breathtaking.
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😮 I missed that. Breathtaking is exactly the word. Gosh, I’m just sick of reading about Rowling being told she’s mistaken for the opinion she holds (not to mention people patronising her or apologising for her). I can’t imagine how she feels.
 
twf said:
You missed my point. Yes, I know that the Occult in real life is both real and dangerous. I was pointing out that the fictional characters of Harry Potter do not employ Occult magic at all. Normal humans, in the fictional world Rowling created, cannot do magic…its a natural gift that wizards are born with…like a superpower in X-Men. And yes, I can draw many analogies with Lord of the Rings and other fantasy.
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There are over 4,000 pages in Harry Potter series. That is a lot of pages and time to influence someone, especially children to the topic of the series. Children that are greatly vulnerable and impressed upon by things of such nature. A topic that could be “fantasy” in the series, yet a topic(magic, wizards, spells, etc.) that is diabolical in the real world when it comes to the occult. Maybe people should spend that time reading about the Saints and the lives they lived for Christ. I do not think Saint Alphonsus Liguori was reading books on witchcraft for entertainment so he could get a tickle up his leg between his ardent prayer and study.

One can read Harry Potter if they want but stop trying to normalize it as innocent. It is a book that is focused on witchcraft. Just the word should raise eyebrows for Catholics. There will be folks like me who will give a different perspective.

I focus on living a life that is Christ centered. Therefore, I am not going to be entertaining myself with topics that glorify and make light of witchcraft.
 
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Lou2U said:
What I find the most sinister is people insisting Rowling needs to “educate” herself, or that people have tried to “educate” her. What they really mean is “fall in line!”. You aren’t allowed to “educate” yourself and disagree.
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That phrases always sounds so condescending on Twitter.
 
I still don’t understand how being a best-selling author goes hand in hand with needing to express Twitter opinions. No good comes of that.

If I were fortunate enough to be a best selling author or celebrity, you would not hear boo out of me other than when necessary to thank the fans or promote my work.
 
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c4csp said:
I focus on living a life that is Christ centered. Therefore, I am not going to be entertaining myself with topics that glorify and make light of witchcraft.
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You’re laying the self-congratulation on pretty thick, my friend.
 
c4csp said:
I focus on living a life that is Christ centered. Therefore, I am not going to be entertaining myself with topics that glorify and make light of witchcraft.
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You’ve made a similar comment in a music thread.

Please understand that there are a variety of opinions among active, practicing Catholics on music, books, etc and you are not the authority on what is and is not “Christ centered.”

Also, you’re slightly off topic, as this thread is not about whether one thinks Harry Potter is okay to read or watch. We have had many past threads on that.
 
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Tis_Bearself said:
I still don’t understand how being a best-selling author goes hand in hand with needing to express Twitter opinions. No good comes of that.

If I were fortunate enough to be a best selling author or celebrity, you would not hear boo out of me other than when necessary to thank the fans or promote my work.
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Lots of people think that… until they become a celebrity 😵
 
Tis_Bearself said:
If I were fortunate enough to be a best selling author or celebrity, you would not hear boo out of me other than when necessary to thank the fans or promote my work.
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I know what you’re saying, but JKR isn’t comparable to say, James Patterson or John Grisham.

JKR’s books were released as the internet was coming of age as a communication for teens.
She always had a symbiotic relationship with her fans. She stayed very visible and very in touch with them and they gave her feedback and huggies and all was well and good and she got very rich.
In ways other authors never were.

The HP fandom is something unique for a lot of reasons. It wasn’t your dad’s Star Trek fan club.

So really, she created a monster that turned on her.
 
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Well, I’m probably safe at my age. I’m unlikely to ever be anything but a doddering, insignificant and unknown bear. Much safer that way 🙂
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
She also got accused by her publisher of having a “middle aged moment” because of the gender-critical remarks she made back in December.

She’s 54.

The ageism and misogyny around this is breathtaking.
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Maybe it’s a desperate way for them to try to get her to fall into line before she gets crucified completely, i.e. “Oh well… you know… she’s a bit out of touch”.
 
But really? Middle aged women’s opinions are easily dismissed?
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
She always had a symbiotic relationship with her fans.
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As you pointed out, she created a monster that now threatens to rip off her head.

Anyone who spent 5 minutes on the Internet or in any fandom where fans had a lot of access to their idol could see this coming. Having the fans too much all up in your private thoughts or business is always a bad idea.

As sung in “Hamilton”, “Talk less, smile more.”
 
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
But really? Middle aged women’s opinions are easily dismissed?
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There are no opinions among the radical camp. There are valid responses and then there is re-education. Refusal to be re-educated is immediate shunning.

Rowling probably doesn’t fully realize this because I think there are grains of authenticity in her. However imperfect, she identifies as a Christian and she probably holds to some views that are grounded in reality, such as the existence of women. The transgender movement will eat her alive for that.
 
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