Anger, Shock Over Leading Washington Politician for Constantly Taking His Wife with Him

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Let’s face it. The only reason this is a big deal is because Pence is a “conservative” Christian. Nobody would give a hoot if a celebrity came out and said this.
 
Many high profile men won’t be alone with women. Billy Graham won’t consult with one without his door open and others within earshot. As long as women have the power to ruin lives and reputations by screeching “sexual harassment” or “rape!” at will then it’s a sound policy.
 
AdamPeter said:
Let’s face it. The only reason this is a big deal is because Pence is a “conservative” Christian. Nobody would give a hoot if a celebrity came out and said this.
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I think it’s because he’s an elected official/public servant. Celebrities don’t owe anyone anything. Pence has an obligation to treat all citizens fairly and equally. Granting different levels of access to a public official based on gender (or race, or religion) is problematic.
 
CthgeDelendaEst said:
Many high profile men won’t be alone with women. Billy Graham won’t consult with one without his door open and others within earshot. As long as women have the power to ruin lives and reputations by screeching “sexual harassment” or “rape!” at will then it’s a sound policy.
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Common sense indicates when an account with 112 posts, almost all of them inflammatory, shows up to advocate… what? Brushing off rape accusations? It’s probably just another troll.:rolleyes:
 
CthgeDelendaEst said:
Many high profile men won’t be alone with women. Billy Graham won’t consult with one without his door open and others within earshot. As long as women have the power to ruin lives and reputations by screeching “sexual harassment” or “rape!” at will then it’s a sound policy.
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Bill Graham was a pastor, not a power broker and elected public servant.
 
AdamPeter said:
Let’s face it. The only reason this is a big deal is because Pence is a “conservative” Christian. Nobody would give a hoot if a celebrity came out and said this.
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This is a big deal because access to Mike Pence, unlike access to a mere “celebrity,” is access to the top level of the executive branch of the United States government.

Really, what if Mrs. Clinton had been elected or was the Vice President and had only been willing to socialize privately with other women? How could the Vice President of the United States have a policy like that? What if she had announced she wouldn’t meet alone with any men unless Bill Clinton were there? Worse yet, imagine Bill Clinton had not particular background in politics or even in law. It isn’t just that there would be howls that she wasn’t able to hold her own on her own like a man. It would have been a *bizarre *policy for a public servant to have.

Honestly, what if he only socialized with other Christians unless he had his pastor along? There would be some of the same arguments in favor of it, but that would be bizarre, too. He is not a private person any more. He operates under different expectations.
 
Vice President’s problem is that he isn’t a Muslim. If he was, the left wouldn’t have breathed a word of criticism of his policy.
BlueEyedLady said:
This kind of black and white impassioned outlook is not going to serve you professionally or romantically.
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And yet Mike Pence is the second most powerful man in the world with a great marriage. It worked for him, but somehow it won’t work for me.

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Estevao said:
Yes it is. That is the definition of a date.
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By that argument, I have dated a couple of my coworkers, several managers (mostly married), the yard guy, a couple of plumbers, the roofer, my OBGYN, and one quite flamboyantly gay supervisor. 😛

Either I really get around, and so does just about everyone else on the planet, or someone “being alone with a member of the opposite sex” is not, by definition, a date. BIL, an ICU nurse, would probably be rather surprised to hear that he dates 50% of his patients! Etc. 😃
 
UbiCaritas said:
By that argument, I have dated a couple of my coworkers, several managers (mostly married), the yard guy, a couple of plumbers, the roofer, my OBGYN, and one quite flamboyantly gay supervisor. 😛

Either I really get around, and so does just about everyone else on the planet, or someone “being alone with a member of the opposite sex” is not, by definition, a date. BIL, an ICU nurse, would probably be rather surprised to hear that he dates 50% of his patients! Etc. 😃
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We’re getting off track. Vice President Pence’s policy is not to eat a meal alone with women who are not his wife. I got careless in agreeing to the reducing of that to simply “being alone” with a member of the opposite sex.
 
Estevao said:
It worked for him, but somehow it won’t work for me.

:confused:
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Are you Mike Pence? Do you have his money, influence, education, charisma, or looks? Or are you an average guy who has posted on this site for years about his romantic struggles?

Would you laugh at an average, everyday woman who lives her life like Kim Kardashian and then doesn’t understand why wealthy athletes and music stars aren’t banging down her door?

And no, the VP didn’t go so far as to call this the “definition of a date”.:rolleyes:
 
No sure why people are concerned about this. He isn’t denying sole access, he’s denying sole access to himself over drinks or dinner. He’s trying to avoid the near occasion of sin. More power to him for respecting his wife to this level.
 
UbiCaritas said:
By that argument, I have dated a couple of my coworkers, several managers (mostly married), the yard guy, a couple of plumbers, the roofer, my OBGYN, and one quite flamboyantly gay supervisor. 😛

Either I really get around, and so does just about everyone else on the planet, or someone “being alone with a member of the opposite sex” is not, by definition, a date. BIL, an ICU nurse, would probably be rather surprised to hear that he dates 50% of his patients! Etc. 😃
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You hussy! My husband has a lunch meeting tomorrow with the recruiter who placed him at his current firm. We’re 99.9% sure it’s to tell him he just a big promotion. I guess since there’s money involved, that makes my husband a… gigolo?😃
 
BlueEyedLady said:
Are you Mike Pence? Do you have his money, influence, education, charisma, or looks? Or are you an average guy who has posted on this site for years about his romantic struggles?

Would you laugh at an average, everyday woman who lives her life like Kim Kardashian and then doesn’t understand why wealthy athletes and music stars aren’t banging down her door?

And no, the VP didn’t go so far as to call this the “definition of a date”.:rolleyes:
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That’s a good point.
 
JanetF said:
No sure why people are concerned about this. He isn’t denying sole access, he’s denying sole access to himself over drinks or dinner. He’s trying to avoid the near occasion of sin. More power to him for respecting his wife to this level.
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I agree.

I think it’s become the norm to put business before family, and when you don’t, it’s seen as somehow taking something away from the job. Should we really demand that those who work as our representatives, put their families and marriages lower in priority than their job? What does that say about us?

People are acting as if being an elected official is a vocation rather than an occupation. Business hours, people.

And it’s quite possible to have a private conversation with someone without actually being ALONE with them, much less over dinner and drinks. :rolleyes:
 
JanetF said:
No sure why people are concerned about this. He isn’t denying sole access, he’s denying sole access to himself over drinks or dinner. He’s trying to avoid the near occasion of sin. More power to him for respecting his wife to this level.
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He only needs to have a policy that applies the same to everyone. If he only does politics outside of social occasions and never goes to any social occasions with anyone without his wife, there wouldn’t be this problem. That’s just refusing to mix business with socializing because it could lead to either an inappropriate friendship (gee, no man in Washington ever brought down with one of those!) or else unequal access to his political power.

People in Washington are very ambitious and very jealous of whether they have the access they think they ought to have. That goes for everyone, regardless of gender, religion, you name it. If someone only socialized with their own religious group or with non-religious people or whatever and got any fame for cutting deal with that select group, there would be howls from people outside the group. The only people who can have special access are the public servant’s constituents. Otherwise, it causes problems.
 
EasterJoy said:
He only needs to have a policy that applies the same to everyone. If he only does politics outside of social occasions and never goes to any social occasions with anyone without his wife, there wouldn’t be this problem. That’s just refusing to mix business with socializing because it could lead to either an inappropriate friendship (gee, no man in Washington ever brought down with one of those!) or else unequal access to his political power.

People in Washington are very ambitious and very jealous of whether they have the access they think they ought to have. That goes for everyone, regardless of gender, religion, you name it. If someone only socialized with their own religious group or with non-religious people or whatever and got any fame for cutting deal with that select group, there would be howls from people outside the group. The only people who can have special access are the public servant’s constituents. Otherwise, it causes problems.
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So I guess the access that LGBT lobbyists have had for years is the exception so?
 
AdamPeter said:
So I guess the access that LGBT lobbyists have had for years is the exception so?
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What do LGBT activists have to do with an elected official granting different levels of access based on gender?

Again, if this policy really is no big deal, why doesn’t he apply it to men and treat everyone fairly?
 
DaddyGirl said:
So…which “elites in Hollywood” is this reporter talking about?
He mentions one famous person, the comedian Trevor Noah, but he’s a NY-er. And that seems to be the only example he gives.

Isn’t this the publication founded by Sun Myung Moon?

I think his practice to never eat with a woman is odd as well, mainly because…at work and in business, there is often a time when you need to have lunch or dinner with a coworker or contact and they may be either male or female.
What if they are eating sandwiches or delivery in their office as they work…does that count?
Or, can he go out to lunch or dinner with a female politician/contact…but just not eat?
And…what if the wife cannot make the function where there is alcohol served? Does he miss an important function or ceremony just because of that?

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Who is Trevor Noah? :confused::confused::confused:
 
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