Anglican Catholic Church?

[GKC]

There is a continuing Anglican Church near me. A couple of them actually. And I live in the diocese of San Joaquin that splintered away. They hooked up with some bishops from Rwanda iIRC. Anyways I am a happy Lutheran. Maybe when I move again I will go anglican.

San Joaquin is now part of the ACNA, as you likely know. Not part of the Continuum, not as uniformly High/Anglo-Catholic.

But there if you ever need them.

GKC

 

[SalusaSecondus]

San Joaquin is now part of the ACNA, as you likely know. Not part of the Continuum, not as uniformly High/Anglo-Catholic.

But there if you ever need them.

GKC

Not part of the Continuum? Why not, and what is that?

 

[Isca]

Sounds right up my alley. I like the high church trappings but more protestant in theology. Too bad there is no AC parish near me.

In the UK, these are called Anglo-Catholic parishes. I attended one for a few months before I decided to become a Catholic, as I was confirmed in the Church of England and so could take Communion there.

The church was huge and the service was very heavy on incense, genuflection and ‘the trappings’, if you know what I mean. Unfortunately, the congregation was sparse to say the least. For me, it all felt like it was falling between two stools, if you know what I mean - neither one thing nor the other.

It didn’t take me long to seek out RCIA.

 

[Izdaari]

My Episcopalian/Lutheran (ELCA) church describes itself as Anglo-Catholic, but we are not in communion with Rome. We do have a good relationship with a Benedictine monastery, and sometimes use Franciscan materials in our liturgies, but no actual Catholic connection beyond that.

 

[BernadetteM]

Usually when there’s doubt about this sort of thing, finding out the identity of their bishop will clear things up pretty quickly.

Ordinariate parishes are under an Ordinary, not the local diocesan Bishop. Anglican Use parishes are still under the local diocesan Bishop.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette

 

[JonNC]

The ACC is one of the more High Church/Anglo-Catholic Churches in the Anglican Continuum. As also the Anglican Provence of Christ the King, or, some what less markedly, the Anglican Church in America.

Might look around for them.

GKC

What about the Anglican Province in America? There is a small parish nearby. Where does it fit with these others?

Jon

 

[PRmerger]

My Episcopalian/Lutheran (ELCA) church describes itself as Anglo-Catholic, but we are not in communion with Rome.

I agree with Catholic apologist Dave Armstrong, who states (paraphrasing) that is is ridiculous to claim that there are Roman Catholics, and then a subgroup of Catholics who are not subject to the Roman Pontiff.

And I agree with St. Augustine who states (paraphrasing) that everyone wants to claim the name “Catholic”, but when a stranger comes to your town and asks where is the local Catholic Church, we all know which church you would direct him to.

 

[GKC]

What about the Anglican Province in America? There is a small parish nearby. Where does it fit with these others?

Jon

Less High/AC than the others.

These are all generalities, to be sure but more or less accurate.

Hmmm. Imagine generalizing about Anglicans.

GKC

 

[GKC]

I agree with Catholic apologist Dave Armstrong, who states (paraphrasing) that is is ridiculous to claim that there are Roman Catholics, and then a subgroup of Catholics who are not subject to the Roman Pontiff.

And I agree with St. Augustine who states (paraphrasing) that everyone wants to claim the name “Catholic”, but when a stranger comes to your town and asks where is the local Catholic Church, we all know which church you would direct him to.

Yes, I know many folk who think so. And some who think otherwise.

Not expecting a comment on this, to be sure.

GKC

 

[commenter]

Yes, I know many folk who think so. And some who think otherwise.

Not expecting a comment on this, to be sure.

GKC

A comment here, on CAF?
Our mantra is “Whatever floats your boat” and “If it feels good, do it”.

 

[KjetilK]

I agree with Catholic apologist Dave Armstrong, who states (paraphrasing) that is is ridiculous to claim that there are Roman Catholics, and then a subgroup of Catholics who are not subject to the Roman Pontiff.

And I agree with St. Augustine who states (paraphrasing) that everyone wants to claim the name “Catholic”, but when a stranger comes to your town and asks where is the local Catholic Church, we all know which church you would direct him to.

Yet, the Roman Catholic Church has never questioned the Orthodox churches when they self-identify as Catholic. They called themselves “Orthodox Catholic.” Clearly, even from a Roman Catholic perspective, you can be Catholic and not be in communion with Rome.

 

[PRmerger]

Yet, the Roman Catholic Church has never questioned the Orthodox churches when they self-identify as Catholic.

How do you know this, KjetilK?

Are you certain that this hasn’t been requested and the OCA said, “You can take your request and your papal supremacy and vamoose”?

 

[GKC]

Not part of the Continuum? Why not, and what is that?

The Anglican Continuum is the name given to those Anglicans who are not in Communion with Canterbury and the official Anglican Communion, having split from it, at varying times, for theological and ecclesiological reasons since roughly 1978, and since, following an Anglican tendency, schismed into a bewildering number of independent entities, some of whom I have named here. Here’s a brief snapshot:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuing_Anglican_movement

As with many things, it is a complicated story.

The Anglican Church in North America (ACNA), is not technically a Continuing Church ( and it is far larger, too), since it is, in a sense, still a member of the Communion, in the sense that about 1/3 of the constituent Anglican jurisdictions of the Anglican Communion are in communion with the ACNA. At the recent enthronement of ++Beach as Primate of the ACNA, roughly 9-10 Anglican Communion Primates, or their reps, were present and laid hands on him. These folk represented a majority of the total membership of the Anglican Communion, by head count.

The ACNA is anchored by the four dioceses that left the Episcopal Church in this country, as entities, and may be joined by a fifth. They are more on the reformed side of the Anglican world, though they do have an Anglo-Catholic presence. In the fullness of time, they hope to replace the train wreck that is the contemporary Episcopal Church in America, in the Anglican Communion. Hence, they are not part of the Continuing movement, which has more or less shook off the dust of the Communion.

Another story with many details. Anglicanism is like that, these days.

GKC

 

[Per_Crucem]

Yet, the Roman Catholic Church has never questioned the Orthodox churches when they self-identify as Catholic. They called themselves “Orthodox Catholic.” Clearly, even from a Roman Catholic perspective, you can be Catholic and not be in communion with Rome.

However, that is because from the Latin Church’s perspective, the Orthodox have apostolic succession and are, therefore, Catholic in that respect. That isn’t true of any Protestant communion, with the exception of a few Anglican bishops here and there.

 

[GKC]

A comment here, on CAF?
Our mantra is “Whatever floats your boat” and “If it feels good, do it”.

That was addressed specifically to the OP I replied to. For reasons she has stated.

GKC

 

[QNDNNDQDCE]

Ordinariate parishes are under an Ordinary, not the local diocesan Bishop. Anglican Use parishes are still under the local diocesan Bishop.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette

That’s a good point for someone to be aware of, but even so, one should be able to find information about the bishop and who he is in communion with.

 

[Novocastrian]

And I agree with St. Augustine who states (paraphrasing) that everyone wants to claim the name “Catholic”, but when a stranger comes to your town and asks where is the local Catholic Church, we all know which church you would direct him to.

As I’ve said many a time, this is a bad argument to use unless you’re willing, on the same grounds, to abandon the Roman Church’s claims to being ‘orthodox’ and ‘evangelical’. If I asked for the orthodox church in town, or the evangelical church in town, you wouldn’t send me to the local Roman parish.

 

[PRmerger]

As I’ve said many a time, this is a bad argument to use unless you’re willing, on the same grounds, to abandon the Roman Church’s claims to being ‘orthodox’ and ‘evangelical’. If I asked for the orthodox church in town, or the evangelical church in town, you wouldn’t send me to the local Roman parish.

And I have responded to this numerous times.

I am quite willing to state that the Catholic Church is not the Orthodox and Evangelical Catholic Church.

Here, I will do it again:

[SIGN1]The Catholic Church is NOT the Orthodox and Evangelical Catholic Church![/SIGN1]

 

[Novocastrian]

And I have responded to this numerous times.

I am quite willing to state that the Catholic Church is not the Orthodox and Evangelical Catholic Church.

Here, I will do it again:

[SIGN1]The Catholic Church is NOT the Orthodox and Evangelical Catholic Church![/SIGN1]

You’re twisting my words slightly. You’re turning the whole thing into a proper noun, which is not what we were discussing. We’re discussing the Roman Catholic Church’s claims to be:

• the Catholic Church
• the Orthodox Church
• the Evangelical Church

i.e. the one, true Church.

 

[PRmerger]

You’re twisting my words slightly. You’re turning the whole thing into a proper noun, which is not what we were discussing.

Absolutely it is what we’re discussing, Novo.

I maintain that it is absurd for any church to declare itself to be Catholic when it is not subject to the Roman pontiff.

There is no such thing as a group of Catholics who are not subject to the Bishop of Rome.

That’s just wishful thinking and gaga, lala nonsense.

We’re discussing the Roman Catholic Church’s claims to be:

• the Catholic Church
• the Orthodox Church
• the Evangelical Church

i.e. the one, true Church.

I have never heard the CC declaring itself to be “the Orthodox Church” and “the Evangelical Church”.

Can you please point me to some documents which profess this?