Anglican converts might be permitted to worship in Anglican churches [CC]
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JRKH
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This seems to be something written from the Anglican perspective which seems rather impractical from the Catholic. How could a Catholic worship at an Anglican Church since it would not satisfy the Sunday obligation and the communion would not be valid?
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Rolltide
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You’re misunderstanding. This has to do with property issues. What they’re saying is that if an Anglo-Catholic parish converts to Catholicism, that the church building itself will still be an Anglican Church. However, the Anglicans would permit the Catholics to remain in the church and use it for Catholic services.
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JRKH
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LDNCatholic
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I’m assuming this is only for churches built pre Reformation?
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Bluegoat
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If they can do that, it would be a very good thing. It has to be better than the evil legal wranglings we see in the US.
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The_Sentry
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Wow that’s the truth!
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Rolltide
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Actually, the issue is more complex than simply giving the churches to the congregations. What they’re saying is that the buildings will continue to be ANGLICAN churches with ANGLICAN services, but that those in the congregation that move to Rome can ALSO worship there, so there will be two denominations side-by-side in these buildings, with the Anglicans being the decision-making body for the particular building. Imagine if a parish splits and only half come to Rome, but both groups still trying to worship in the same building and schedule events. It may work for some churches, but there’s nothing to stop the Anglicans from moving an new Anglican congregation into a church already occupied by an Anglican-Use congregation. This simply states they won’t kick the Catholics out.
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BernadetteM
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We will just have to wait and see if this all comes about. Actually as soon as possible these Anglicans who come into the Church would be better off working with a Catholic parish to hold their services. Also if possible purchase another building as even if the Church of England were to give or allow the Anglican Use Catholics to use their buildings, they are old and the upkeep is tremendous. In the US many Catholic churches are allowing those Anglicans who are either already Catholic or coming into the Church, the use of their churches to conduct their services.
This might just be a ploy on the part of the Church of England to appear to be charitable towards those who join an Ordinariate, when they are treating Anglo Catholics within the CoE terrible.
Time will till if this is all a political game to try to keep Anglicans from actually entering the Catholic Church by appearing to be more open and hopefully the Anglicans will decide to stay in the CoE. Who knows what is in the hearts of these Bishops.
Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary
Bernadette
This might just be a ploy on the part of the Church of England to appear to be charitable towards those who join an Ordinariate, when they are treating Anglo Catholics within the CoE terrible.
Time will till if this is all a political game to try to keep Anglicans from actually entering the Catholic Church by appearing to be more open and hopefully the Anglicans will decide to stay in the CoE. Who knows what is in the hearts of these Bishops.
Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary
Bernadette
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This happened, in a couple of CoE parishes, back in the first CoE exodus over the original “let’s put clerical vestments on females”. It lasted for a couple of years, until the local RC bishop ended it, in the early 90s.
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Or, it might be a charitable move, as it was back around 20+ years ago, in (I think) 2 Anglican parishes, until ended by the RC bishop. Or, it might be a slightly self-serving move to retain those bodies to help with the upkeep of the structures. Who knows?
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gurneyhalleck1
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i wish to God my parish and diocese would join the ordinariates but that’s just not happening. No way. +Schofield and my rector have absolutely NO intention of joining it, period. My rector is currently doing a book study. The author is Bishop C. Fitzsimmons Allison. Don’t know much about the guy but he can’t be an Anglo-Catholic if my rector chose him! LOL
I must say that Tolkien was somewhat correct when he said the Anglican usurpation of the cathedrals and parish churches were “stolen property.” It would be nice to see them back in Catholic hands where more than five people will actually fill them on a Sunday!
I must say that Tolkien was somewhat correct when he said the Anglican usurpation of the cathedrals and parish churches were “stolen property.” It would be nice to see them back in Catholic hands where more than five people will actually fill them on a Sunday!
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He’s the retired Bishop of the Diocese of SC, where +Lawrence is currently the Ordinary. He is in the Lawrence mold, conspicuously. Wrote a chapter in an anti-Spong book. Participated in the consecrations of +Rogers and +Murphy, thus kickstarting the AMIAi wish to God my parish and diocese would join the ordinariates but that’s just not happening. No way. +Schofield and my rector have absolutely NO intention of joining it, period. My rector is currently doing a book study. The author is Bishop C. Fitzsimmons Allison. Don’t know much about the guy but he can’t be an Anglo-Catholic if my rector chose him! LOL
I must say that Tolkien was somewhat correct when he said the Anglican usurpation of the cathedrals and parish churches were “stolen property.” It would be nice to see them back in Catholic hands where more than five people will actually fill them on a Sunday!
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BernadetteM
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Which state are you in? Of course an AU parish could be in your state, but way too far for you. I also am hoping for one, my former parish. It is quite far from where I live now, but worth the drive if it comes in. There is one close to my daughter that is coming, but the congregation is Vietnamese and the Mass is said in that language. But they also have a Hispanic priest, so who knows maybe they will have it in English at some point.i wish to God my parish and diocese would join the ordinariates but that’s just not happening. No way. +Schofield and my rector have absolutely NO intention of joining it, period. My rector is currently doing a book study. The author is Bishop C. Fitzsimmons Allison. Don’t know much about the guy but he can’t be an Anglo-Catholic if my rector chose him! LOL
I must say that Tolkien was somewhat correct when he said the Anglican usurpation of the cathedrals and parish churches were “stolen property.” It would be nice to see them back in Catholic hands where more than five people will actually fill them on a Sunday!
God Bless
Bernadette
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gurneyhalleck1
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Come on now, Bernadette. You know I’m a huge Giants fan! I’m a California boy! But you are correct; there are NO anglican use parishes within 250 miles of here. There are a couple of Orthodox churches about 45 miles from here and a Latin tridentine Mass about 45 miles away I’ve considered. Otherwise it’s mainstream ACNA Anglican or watered-down Latino-liberation theology Catholicism around here. 
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Why is not valid ? what about the anglo-catholics ? they are closer to the Roman Church and traditionalist …ive spoken with one anglican priest and he believes in the mistery of transubstantiation…they believe in the real presence …
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gurneyhalleck1
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Put on your seatbelt and get ready for a reference to Apostolicae Curae by Pope Leo XIII to which GKC will mention the particulars and defend the Anglican position that is basically the intention, form, and ceremony was perfectly fine. GKC will mention a book he loves to read about it. Then I’ll mention the Dutch Touch and things will roll along…
Oops, I’m playing prophet!
Oops, I’m playing prophet!
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gurneyhalleck1
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Thanks, Jim. But I already know all that. I’ve read about him in the past and remember the AMIA stuff well. Controversial at the time. No big woop now since all the crazy hooplah has happened in Anglicanism! LOL. I didn’t know about the anti-Spong book though. In my opinion, it’s the easiest task in the world to write against Spong. It’s like writing against Edi Amin, Pol Pot, Jimmy Carter, Rosie O’Donnell, or Timothy Leary and the gang. Spong is a nutjob, not a Christian, and has never flown on all thrusters!
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Eh? What is this Apostalicae…Curae you mention?Put on your seatbelt and get ready for a reference to Apostolicae Curae by Pope Leo XIII to which GKC will mention the particulars and defend the Anglican position that is basically the intention, form, and ceremony was perfectly fine. GKC will mention a book he loves to read about it. Then I’ll mention the Dutch Touch and things will roll along…
Oops, I’m playing prophet!
Oh. Yeah. That thing I posted about in the Anglo-Catholic thread just down the page a little.
It’s sort of tricky, but, in shorthand, Momentomori, one need only, as a RC, understand that the RCC does not consider Anglican priests (generally, might be some exceptions) to be valid priests, or able to validly celebrate Mass, or perform other priestly functions. They are considered laymen.
The history and explanation of all that is sort of complicated, but the above is all that is needed to be understood, from a RC standpoint.
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CAN A BISHOP BE WRONG. Edited by somebody. I think it’s on the shelf where I can’t get it right now.Thanks, Jim. But I already know all that. I’ve read about him in the past and remember the AMIA stuff well. Controversial at the time. No big woop now since all the crazy hooplah has happened in Anglicanism! LOL. I didn’t know about the anti-Spong book though. In my opinion, it’s the easiest task in the world to write against Spong. It’s like writing against Edi Amin, Pol Pot, Jimmy Carter, Rosie O’Donnell, or Timothy Leary and the gang. Spong is a nutjob, not a Christian, and has never flown on all thrusters!
His latest book, AFAIK, is The Cruelty of Heresy: An Affirmation of Christian Orthodoxy. Never read it, myself. And you may know of it, anyway; it could be the one that is being read.
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