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If you mean those Anglo-Catholics moving to the Ordinariates, one would assume that they do. If you mean Anglo-Catholics in general, some do, for some of those doctrines, some for all.
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jordananglo
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Those Anglicans entering the Ordinariate will affirm that “The Catechism of the Catholic Church is the authoritative expression of the Catholic faith professed by members of the Ordinariate.”, to quote section 5 of AC.
So in a word, yes. Or at least, they understand that this is the teaching of the church. Unfortunately, membership in the Catholic Church is not a guarantor of orthodoxy.
I also find that when many Anglicans trot out these “hard” teachings, they have a caricatured understanding of the church’s teaching. For example, is the granting of an Indulgence really more difficult to accept than the church’s ability to forgive sins?!
Many Anglo-Catholics have a very profound devotion to Eucharistic adoration, and Our Lady. I grew up attending Benediction and the stations of the cross every Friday in Lent. One lady in my parish prays the rosary every day; this is simply who we are.
After many decades of bad news, happy days are here again. Thank God.
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The idea that some people could do more good works than are required, and that the CC can save up and dispense the extras, seems to be rather a belief-stretcher to me, I must say.
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Ok that is what I figured, and that makes sense.
That sounds condescending to me. I can’t speak for all, but some have investigated the church’s position on these issues and found that they do not agree with the Church’s teachings. Remember, non Catholics do not accept that Catholic church teaching is by default infallible.
Personally, I accept real presence, but see Transubstantiation as rooted more in Aristotle than Scripture and Tradition, which the former-real presence- is more supported by.
I actually maintain many practices. I say the rosary every now and then, and appreciate the stations of the cross.
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To the past two posts:
Well, yes. That is the point.
The Anglican Ordinariate is not about debating the Catholic church’s teaching. It is not about importing protestant belief. Those that are not Catholic in belief will not join. Problem solved. Self-selection is the easiest answer.
What it is about, is letting those of us from the Anglo-Catholic tradition, who have been praying for this reunion for many years, to have a place in the Catholic Church.
But concerning belief stretchers, isn’t basically everything we say in the Creed a belief stretcher? Lord I believe, help my unbelief.
Well, yes. That is the point.
The Anglican Ordinariate is not about debating the Catholic church’s teaching. It is not about importing protestant belief. Those that are not Catholic in belief will not join. Problem solved. Self-selection is the easiest answer.
What it is about, is letting those of us from the Anglo-Catholic tradition, who have been praying for this reunion for many years, to have a place in the Catholic Church.
But concerning belief stretchers, isn’t basically everything we say in the Creed a belief stretcher? Lord I believe, help my unbelief.
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RevDrNorth
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Anglicans taking advantage of the ordinariates by their nature will be conservative and orthodox. In fact, this fact alone, has caused some irritation among liberal Catholics.
In my own personal experience I have met gay Roman Catholic clergy who were active (one living with his friend and had done for years), RC clergy who affirmed women’s ordination (one announced that from the pulpit), etc. These sort of issues are why some liberal elements were not pleased with Benedict XVI when he announced the ordinariates. He will be injecting a conservative stream of orthodox traditionalists into the church. This has the potential to be invigorating or aggravating depending on your bent.
Make no mistake, Anglicans coming over are going to have to affirm all Roman Catholic doctrine. As someone pointed out, this is NOT the caricature of RC doctrine they will be affirming but actual doctrine. Those who are orthodox but cannot do so will remain outside the ordinariates (e.g the Anglican Catholic Church which is around twice the size of the ACA, Bishop Jack Iker and so on). Their are faithful Anglican Christians who are biblically orthodox and cannot affirm RC doctrine.
In my own personal experience I have met gay Roman Catholic clergy who were active (one living with his friend and had done for years), RC clergy who affirmed women’s ordination (one announced that from the pulpit), etc. These sort of issues are why some liberal elements were not pleased with Benedict XVI when he announced the ordinariates. He will be injecting a conservative stream of orthodox traditionalists into the church. This has the potential to be invigorating or aggravating depending on your bent.
Make no mistake, Anglicans coming over are going to have to affirm all Roman Catholic doctrine. As someone pointed out, this is NOT the caricature of RC doctrine they will be affirming but actual doctrine. Those who are orthodox but cannot do so will remain outside the ordinariates (e.g the Anglican Catholic Church which is around twice the size of the ACA, Bishop Jack Iker and so on). Their are faithful Anglican Christians who are biblically orthodox and cannot affirm RC doctrine.
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“Belief-stretcher” 
I share your view of indulgences and the treasury of merit. It’s a huge stumbling block between me and Catholicism. I have real trouble buying it (along with universal supremacy and infallibility of the pope) and it seems an utterly corrupt doctrine to the core. It was the catalyst for the Reformation and every time I read about indulgences they stink to high heaven of innovation and ecclesiastical corruption to me. I wish someone could convince me otherwise. They’re a belief-stretcher to me as well. 
I share your view of indulgences and the treasury of merit. It’s a huge stumbling block between me and Catholicism. I have real trouble buying it (along with universal supremacy and infallibility of the pope) and it seems an utterly corrupt doctrine to the core. It was the catalyst for the Reformation and every time I read about indulgences they stink to high heaven of innovation and ecclesiastical corruption to me. I wish someone could convince me otherwise. They’re a belief-stretcher to me as well.
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This is all speculation and “make no mistake” cannot be applied here as this is uncharted territory but in general I agree with this speculation as most probable. And I also share your experience of knowing a ton of gay priests. In our area there have been heaps of gay priests. It’s hard to find out that seems straight.
I think generally Anglo-Catholics will affirm what GKC calls the Roman “particulars.” Anglo-Catholics, in my experience, are very savvy and knowledgable about doctrine and history so I find it hard to believe that they’ll join up with the CC without buying the whole product. Thomas Cranmer is rolling in his grave…
I think generally Anglo-Catholics will affirm what GKC calls the Roman “particulars.” Anglo-Catholics, in my experience, are very savvy and knowledgable about doctrine and history so I find it hard to believe that they’ll join up with the CC without buying the whole product. Thomas Cranmer is rolling in his grave…
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It’s pretty much the nail in the coffin for me. I couldn’t go to Rome with this doctrine in place, even if I managed to clear up everything else. Anglicans are all over the place, but at least one can be orthodox. Orthodoxy is different for a Westerner, but I can’t think of anything equivalent to this problem. There is no way I can assent to indulgences and surrounding doctrines… I’ve also noticed it seems to be kept quiet these days, which bothers me.“Belief-stretcher”
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Particulars would be a subset of doctrine/dogma.Doctrine/Dogma? Are you ok? It’s “particulars” dang it!Sometimes I feel like I don’t even know you anymore, Jim!
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I don’t know that much about the Anglican liturgy but from what I’ve seen on you tube, it’s not that much different than the English Novus Ordo.
youtube.com/watch?v=m3a4dwkSvsI&feature=related
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They vary. The nearest Anglican Church to me is Anglo-Catholic. You would probably say it was like the “Novus Ordo”. There’s several differences. I find congregation are quiet before “mass”. The priest wears a biretta during the entrance procession and the recession. Incense is used. Everything is done with great reverence. Whatever the technicality over Anglican Orders and whether the priest can confect the Eucharist they certainly believe in the Real Presence and give the Eucharist the most appropriate respect. The priest celebrates ad orientem. I would say they celebrate the Mass in the way Vatican II intended.
You will find, although I’m not saying you’ll find any on youtube, others celebrate the Mass very similar to way to the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite. What I think you will have difficulty, though not necessarily impossible, to find Anglicans celebrating “mass” in Latin.
You could go to some Anglican Churches, of the evangelical, or “low church”, variety and you’ll find no candles on the altar. A very protestant type of service.
You will also find Anglican churches where the altar has been replaced by a projector screen. The “priest” dressed in street clothes and the service ma appear more like some of the TV evangelists you see in the US.
I think those Anglo-Catholics who want to swim the Tiber are true and genuine Catholics. I know to many Catholics their sole issue is the ordination of women. That is not the issue it has just been hyped up as the issue. Basically, it’s been the straw that broke the camel’s back.
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Well, I didn’t get far into it before it looked nothing like my Anglo-Catholic parish. The fact that he aid “The Lord be with you” and they replied “and also with you” set if off as different immediatly, since in my parish he’d sing it, and we’d sing back “and with thy spirit”, and then shortly we’d head into the choir and congregation singing the psalm responsively in plainchant.
This is a 1928 BCP Mass - the priest is really antsy and annoying, and it isn’t all that high, but it might be a more useful indication.
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Reuben_J
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I think that’s it. Something as important as this is tantamount to conversion. If the belief is not in their hearts it makes no sense to swim the Tiber. They will not make it.
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Reuben_J
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History separates them but over the years as they journey on their own the gap have became wider. These Anglo-Catholics can’t take it anymore and thus see huge opportunity when Rome opens up to them. It nevertheless takes humility to shake off all the baggage that have been accumulated over the years in order to come back home.
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Probably they will be able to come to term with most of the articles in the CCC especially for those who are already very Catholics at hearts. There will be a few, no doubt, that still be stumbling blocks but like any Catholics who find certain teaching difficult the greater needs to submit to the Church should help in their believe.
Praise God. Coming home should not be a problem because there is so little that separates us. That little is very often not an issue at all and most of the time does not figure in the reality of the life of a believer in the Church.
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