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Cheshangle
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I’m not sure if same sex attrasction accounts “for one third child molestation crimes”. I am quite sure that women’s ordination does not beget same sex attraction.
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Jack_Bauer
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I believe you’ve missed the point entirely. Right now, I’d love to see women simply cover their shoulders, bootie, and everything else they have showing that is inappropriate, particularly in the mass. We’ve slid a long way down just in my life time.
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Cheshangle
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Are you in favour of women wearing the burqa?
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Jack_Bauer
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Do you mean wearing a mantilla? It would be nice to see it return, however, i won’t stand in their way if they don’t. All of the women in my family, including some Protestants wore veils hats and mantillas. A burqa covers a woman’s face, not just her head. And I’d be thrilled to se women wear the Hiijab, which is actually very beautiful when worn properly and feels very dignified. It reminds me of the Blessed Mother. Likewise, I’d like to see men wear ties and suit coats as well as suits to mass, like when I was Protestant.
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kathmandu
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Why don’t you visit one of our Masses and see how similar it is? The Peace is in a different place. Other than that it is hard to tell the difference.
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Sarahforgiven
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Having lived in the Episcopal Anglican faith, I can say that it is very similar, but it is not “the same.” the liturgical similarities do exist because the Anglicans did come from Catholicism. Simply comparing the liturgy is not enough.
If there are Catholics who want to see women priests & same sex marriage, they should join the Anglican church. While there are still some very holy & conservative Anglicans out there, especially in Africa, I believe the damage has been done & those intent on forcing that particular agenda on the entire Anglican communion have succeeded.
I am thankful for the Catholic Church, the Magesterium, & the authority of the Pope.
If there are Catholics who want to see women priests & same sex marriage, they should join the Anglican church. While there are still some very holy & conservative Anglicans out there, especially in Africa, I believe the damage has been done & those intent on forcing that particular agenda on the entire Anglican communion have succeeded.
I am thankful for the Catholic Church, the Magesterium, & the authority of the Pope.
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melbanglican
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I’m sorry, but the last part of my message regarding Lutherans was not intended to be dealt with by you. However, the question still stands: you made a series of claims about the consequences of various practices in the Anglican/Episcopalian Communion, and I was interested in finding out if you have any actual evidence, preferably obtained by means of empirical research, to support them. To date, it appears that you do not.
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kylemccloughan
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It is easier for them to sit at a distance and chastise and criticize and accuse of heresy and on and on and on. I have been inviting a Catholic friend of mine to Holy Eucharist one Sunday and he won’t come. He just pretends to know what we are all about and in reality doesn’t. We Protestants get accused of not knowing anything about Catholics (even though I was one and a practing one for almost 4 decades from birth), but it certainly works in reverse as well.
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kylemccloughan
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I think the same can be said for absues by the Catholic church by neglecting the irrehensible damage done by the decades of sexual abuse against minor boys.Having lived in the Episcopal Anglican faith, I can say that it is very similar, but it is not “the same.” the liturgical similarities do exist because the Anglicans did come from Catholicism. Simply comparing the liturgy is not enough.
If there are Catholics who want to see women priests & same sex marriage, they should join the Anglican church. While there are still some very holy & conservative Anglicans out there, especially in Africa, I believe the damage has been done & those intent on forcing that particular agenda on the entire Anglican communion have succeeded.
I am thankful for the Catholic Church, the Magesterium, & the authority of the Pope.
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melbanglican
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Yeah, there’s something similar in Wellington, New Zealand, right in the heart of the city. As I recall, it’s called St Andrews-in-the-City, and it’s for gays & lesbians, etc.
However, neither the herchurch nor St Andrews represents in any way the mainstream of Episcopalian/Anglican thought and belief. What they do represent is an indication of the tolerance that tends to exist within that Communion.
My point is that these are isolated instances of particular phenomena, and no-one on this sub-forum who has made a claim regarding the negative consequences of ordaining women, and so on, seems able to provide us with anything remotely resembling empirical research to back up their (highly dubious) propositions. I, for one, would be genuinely fascinated to see any such research. It might even alter my opinions on a number of subjects. Without such concrete evidence, these claims are simply sectarian nonsense which no thinking person has any reason to believe.
If I sound determined on this issue, it is because I spent twenty years in an academic environment and learned to remain detached and to believe only those assertions which are supported by the aforementioned sound empirical evidence.
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nhylan
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Melbanglican, I feel your pain but I warn you. Don’t get too emotionally involved in this discussion. Most people here are interested in honest debate but there is a deep undercurrent on this website of anti-Anglicanism. It drives me up a wall, I’ve just about given up arguing.
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GKC
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I rarely argue with anyone. But I do discuss with a lot of folks, Anglicans included.
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Jack_Bauer
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One weekend, while visiting my brother gong to LSU, I went to a church service thinking it was a Catholic church. I noticed that it was somewhat different and kept listening for things that sounded familiar. I was having doubts that I was in the correct place and it wasn’t until the very end that I realized I was in the wrong church.
It was very similar. I did the same once at Fort Sill, OK. Only I believe it was Jewish. I went to confession too. I hope that was a Catholic priest. Never saw him again.
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Jack_Bauer
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Many Catholics just don’t want to go to a church that doesn’t have the real 7 sacraments. They’re afraid someone is going to back them into an embarrassing corner. I’ve seen it and been in these situations. It’s not odd at all that your friend feels uncomfortable about attending your liturgy. He may be afraid that it will lead to the next step of asking you to accept your sacraments as valid. That places an uncomfortable feeling between friends. Just be happy you have a friend and stop trying to shove your faith on him/her.It is easier for them to sit at a distance and chastise and criticize and accuse of heresy and on and on and on. I have been inviting a Catholic friend of mine to Holy Eucharist one Sunday and he won’t come. He just pretends to know what we are all about and in reality doesn’t. We Protestants get accused of not knowing anything about Catholics (even though I was one and a practing one for almost 4 decades from birth), but it certainly works in reverse as well.
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Certainly in the three Anglican churches (the Anglican Church of Australia, the Church of Ireland and the Church of England) I’ve been a member of, same sex marriages are NOT permitted. Niether are blessings allowed for same sex partnerships. Nor are practicing homosexuals allowed to be clergy (though I suspect the rule might be broken on occasion, unfortunately).Having lived in the Episcopal Anglican faith, I can say that it is very similar, but it is not “the same.” the liturgical similarities do exist because the Anglicans did come from Catholicism. Simply comparing the liturgy is not enough.
If there are Catholics who want to see women priests & same sex marriage, they should join the Anglican church. While there are still some very holy & conservative Anglicans out there, especially in Africa, I believe the damage has been done & those intent on forcing that particular agenda on the entire Anglican communion have succeeded.
I am thankful for the Catholic Church, the Magesterium, & the authority of the Pope.
I’m in favour of women priests and bishops. I accept that if a RC is too, s/he could become Anglican, but the RC “Women can be priests” movement want to stay RC. That is a matter for them.
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Cheshangle
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Melbanglican and Nhylan.
I’ve been here about a month, and I don’t like the anti-Anglicanism either. I came here because I’m pro-RC (our Beloved Sister Church after all), but that is rarely reciprocated here. However, the Moderators accept our presence here, and as long as we’re polite, reasonable and charitable, I think we do more good than harm by remaining. At least we can try to clear up some misunderstandings if people want to listen. And we can set a good example.
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1LtMatya
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It was reported by the Associated Press, London, on June 25, 1984, that a majority of the Anglican bishops surveyed by a television program said, “Christians are not obliged to believe that Jesus Christ was God.” The poll was of 31 of England’s 39 bishops. The report further stated that 19 of the 31 bishops said it was sufficient to regard Jesus as “God’s supreme agent.” The poll was conducted by London Weekend Television’s weekly religious program, “Credo.”
–Verify this…
–Verify this…
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GKC
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I agree with most of your sentiments expressed here (though I often disagree with your theology, which helps illustrate that Anglicans are, you know, a motley crew). I’ve been posting for 10+ years to clear up misunderstandings. Whether I’m polite, reasonable or charitable is doubtful, but, on the whole, on balance, possibly not totally inaccurate. Maybe. Some of the time. I think.
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