Anglican Use Mass

[ProVobis]

Maybe a better question is why would you object to the Tudor English?

As I got an Excellence in English award in high school, I don’t object to Tudor English or Chaucerian English at all. I even have an email friend who happens to be a female Anglican minister in the U.K. town where I was born. Go for it if you like it and are offered the chance. I’m interested in them but personally I like to keep my distance from all English liturgies though. It isn’t my spiritual heritage.

 

[porthos11]

As I got an Excellence in English award in high school, I don’t object to Tudor English or Chaucerian English at all. I even have an email friend who happens to be a female Anglican minister in the U.K. town where I was born. Go for it if you like it and are offered the chance. I’m interested in them but personally I like to keep my distance from all English liturgies though. It isn’t my spiritual heritage.

And that’s what Pope Benedict exactly had in mind. It is their spiritual heritage and he didn’t want to throw out the baby with the bathwater, so to speak. Pope Benedict spoke of preserving their Anglican patrimony, of which the Book of Common Prayer, the King James Version and the Tudor English that comes with them form a part. It was a most generous move on Pope Benedict’s part. And thanks to that, the beauty of language in the Book of Common Prayer now forms part of the Church’s liturgical tradition.

The Collect for Purity has easily become one of my favourite prayers as rendered by Cranmer:

Almighty God, unto whom all hearts be open, all desires known, and from whom no secrets are hid: cleanse the thoughts of our hearts by the inspiration of thy Holy Spirit that we may perfectly love thee and worthily magnify thy holy Name. Through Christ our Lord. Amen.

 

[ProVobis]

…as rendered by Cranmer:

Maybe permitted but I wouldn’t go that far if I were only interested in my heritage. He was, after all, burned at the stake for being a heretic and part of the reason for the commencement of the Council of Trent, which took 17 years to reject all his heresies among others. Bringing him up might be painful for some Catholics, especially when you already have an Anglican Use rite that’s been extensively screened to exclude heresies and the like.

 

[ProVobis]

…as rendered by Cranmer:

Maybe permitted but I wouldn’t push this for the sake of preserving some heritage. He was, after all, burned at the stake for being a heretic and part of the reason for the commencement of the Council of Trent, which took 17 years to reject all his heresies among others. Bringing him up might be painful for some Catholics, especially when you already have an Anglican Use rite that’s been extensively screened to exclude heresies and the like.

And no, I’m not calling anyone here for supporting the AO a heretic. I believe Vatican II made it clear that people aren’t responsible for the actions of generations past. But heresy is heresy. If Lutherans were to join the Catholic Church in the future, I’m sure Luther’s name would not be appearing on all Catholic texts, though I do understand he wrote some excellent hymns which are sung in German churches.

 

[porthos11]

Maybe permitted but I wouldn’t push this for the sake of preserving some heritage. He was, after all, burned at the stake for being a heretic and part of the reason for the commencement of the Council of Trent, which took 17 years to reject all his heresies among others. Bringing him up might be painful for some Catholics, especially when you already have an Anglican Use rite that’s been extensively screened to exclude heresies and the like.

And no, I’m not calling anyone here for supporting the AO a heretic. I believe Vatican II made it clear that people aren’t responsible for the actions of generations past. But heresy is heresy. If Lutherans were to join the Catholic Church in the future, I’m sure Luther’s name would not be appearing on all Catholic texts, though I do understand he wrote some excellent hymns which are sung in German churches.

The Anglican Use and Ordinariate Use have both been expunged of all heresy, including Cranmer’s.

As for not pushing it, it has been done and we are all the better for it. The Church did nothing but apply the Biblical principle of rejecting what is evil, and retaining what is good.

Heritage is clearly important to Anglicans, and if this heritage can be purified to be fully Catholic and yet familiar to them, then who are we to question the Holy Father’s generosity to them? Even Pope Francis has expanded the membership qualifications of the Ordinariates to include cradle Catholics who have not yet received First Communion and Confirmation. Clearly, this is important to the Catholic Church, and if an Apostolic Constitution says preserve Anglican heritage for the sake of Anglicans coming home, then so be it. God bless Pope Benedict XVI.

 

[Rob_Arnzen]

The parish is not part of the Ordinariate, having never actually joined.

The parish predates the Ordinariate.

When I was last there I believe they were using “The Book of Divine Worship”, which bears the 2003 Imprimatur of Cardinal Law. My only objection to it is that it continues the “Rite One” and “Rite Two” nonsense introduced with the 1979 Book of Common Prayer rather than presenting a single unified text, which results in a 2.5" thick book of 974 pages and some needless duplications.

I have not compared this text, which I bought a copy of for my library, with the later Anglican Use texts.

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[Rob_Arnzen]

What is your opinion of the Anglican Use mass? Do you think it is an organic liturgical development?

Define “organic liturgical development”.

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[7_Sorrows]

And that’s what Pope Benedict exactly had in mind. It is their spiritual heritage and he didn’t want to throw out the baby with the bathwater, so to speak. Pope Benedict spoke of preserving their Anglican patrimony, of which the Book of Common Prayer, the King James Version and the Tudor English that comes with them form a part. It was a most generous move on Pope Benedict’s part. And thanks to that, the beauty of language in the Book of Common Prayer now forms part of the Church’s liturgical tradition.

The Collect for Purity has easily become one of my favourite prayers as rendered by Cranmer:

Almighty God, unto whom all hearts be open, all desires known, and from whom no secrets are hid: cleanse the thoughts of our hearts by the inspiration of thy Holy Spirit that we may perfectly love thee and worthily magnify thy holy Name. Through Christ our Lord. Amen.

Yes! A most generous move!

 

[7_Sorrows]

The Anglican Use and Ordinariate Use have both been expunged of all heresy, including Cranmer’s.

As for not pushing it, it has been done and we are all the better for it. The Church did nothing but apply the Biblical principle of rejecting what is evil, and retaining what is good.

Heritage is clearly important to Anglicans, and if this heritage can be purified to be fully Catholic and yet familiar to them, then who are we to question the Holy Father’s generosity to them? Even Pope Francis has expanded the membership qualifications of the Ordinariates to include cradle Catholics who have not yet received First Communion and Confirmation. Clearly, this is important to the Catholic Church, and if an Apostolic Constitution says preserve Anglican heritage for the sake of Anglicans coming home, then so be it. God bless Pope Benedict XVI.

Yes! God bless Pope Benedict XVI for helping Anglicans come home.