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I register my dissent. However the sorry story of England and Scotland in Ireland is too complex and tragic to be rehearsed (by me, at least) in a comments section.
 
I register my dissent again. However the sorry story of England and Scotland in Ireland is too complex and tragic to be rehearsed (by me, at least) in a comments section.
 
My Dad’s Irish Catholic ancestors also fled Ireland. The Episcopalians in the U.S. also allow women priests and women Bishops and have supported same sex marriages for many years. Pope Benedict XVI set up am Anglican Use Mass where Anglicans can now
be received into the Catholic Church and their own Anglican style Mass. This also
applies to Episcopalians in the U.S.
There have been entire parishes received into the Catholic Church because of this outreach by Benedict.
 
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Why do they call themselves Catholic? It’s not possible to be “selectively catholic” so… I also read Anglicans think of their branch as the purest expression of Catholicism
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I believe because they believe in what is called the branch theory. The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church defines the theory as:
…the theory that, though the Church may have fallen into schism within itself and its several provinces or groups of provinces be out of communion with each other, each may yet be a branch of the one Church of Christ, provided that it continues to hold the faith of the original undivided Church and to maintain the Apostolic Succession of its bishops. Such, it is contended by many Anglican theologians, is the condition of the Church at the present time, there being now three main branches…
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Those three main branches being the Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and the Anglican Communion.
 
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There have been entire parishes received into the Catholic Church because of this outreach by Benedict.
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And I think this is wonderful, I welcome them, have no problem with them, and am pleased to call them Catholic.

They are Catholic. In the Catholic Church. Not Anglicans in the Anglican Church claiming that they are true Catholics while still not being under the Pope. There is a difference.

You want to call yourself Catholic? Re-join. Follow the Pope. Then you’re a Catholic. Otherwise, nope.
 
Ok. Focus on those who don’t.

And those who do don’t expect even other Anglicans to agree. Such is motley-dom. Generalizing about Anglicans (females in sacerdotal garments, sexual irregularities made regular, pro-abortion marathons, and such like) is not reflective of the tribe as a whole. Way too many of them, sure. I don’t like such much myself. Use a more discriminating brush.
 
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Well, here is the leader of the Episcopal Church in the city in USA where I grew up, Rev. Lind. She has since retired due to illness, but she was very well known in the local community and was basically the face of the local Episcopal (aka Anglican) Church. She is openly gay (had a long-term female partner) and is shown here demonstrating in support of an abortion clinic. There was another large news story when she retired that featured a story of a Catholic guy who wanted to be a priest but couldn’t reconcile it with his being gay, so he joined her church because it was very gay-friendly.

This is what the Episcopal Church stands for, publicly, in the city where I grew up.

 
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This is often the thought process behind the assertion, yes. For me it is simpler. It’s where apostolic succession can be found. This stretches the idea to such as selected Old Catholics and the PNCC. Few Anglicans would expect a RC to agree with this. Few would care, either.

I observe once again that I am well acquainted with the long, sad history of Apostolicae Curae, in passing. Just in case.
 
Yep. That’s them.

And then, there’s folk like my parish, which years ago, took part in activities which reduced the abortion mills in the town to, I think, one. And still takes part in the annual Life Chain demos.

Narrow your brush.
 
So the question is, why doesn’t your church speak with more of one voice on issues? It doesn’t sound like you have much of a unified “church”. I am not inclined to be trying to guess at what a religion supports. Especially when it is a fairly small number of people in said religion.
 
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Don’t guess,don’t assume.

And don’t assume you know what my church is, either. It’s not the Episcopal one.

It’s a reflection of the motley state of the generic concept “Anglicanism”.

And I’m off to prepare for Mass.

I’ll be around later.
 
FWIW, my girlfriend from high school is now an Episcopal priest and pastor. Her parish just consecrated a new church building. I have visited with her. She is truly a holy person. I’m sure she does a great job for her parish. I am not going to speak ill of that.
 
“don’t assume you know what my church is”

I can’t say, based on what I’ve seen of it so far, that i want to bother knowing what your church is.
As long as it doesn’t call itself “Catholic” when it is actually Protestant, then it can do what it likes.

This whole discussion stemmed from some Anglican who insisted he was a Catholic, not from any desire on my part to know in great detail what all the Anglican Church, or Episcopal, or whatever you are calling yourselves, is doing. I’m frankly not interested in knowing more about it. Sorry.

My points about the reasons why the Anglican Church, as a whole, is not going to merge with the Roman Catholic Church any time soon, stand.

This does not preclude that individual Anglicans, individual Anglican priests, or even individual Anglican parishes might decide to join the Catholic Church, at which time those who joined would become Catholics.
Those who do not join are not Catholics and if they call themselves Catholics, they are wrong.

End of discussion on my part.
Have a nice day.
 
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Suit yourself. However you want to present yourself, as a representative, or at least a face of the RCC, matters not to me, be it informed or less so.

You will not be surprised that Anglicans, whoever/whatever they might be, are unlikely to ask your, or the RCC’s, permission to account themselves Catholic. No one expects you to agree. But if it agitates you, to any degree, you may wish to consider which sort of posts (inter alia) you peruse. Few folk will tailor them to meet your desires, in my experience.
 
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@ltwin wins this thread.

EXCELLENT run down of Anglicanism.
 
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PickyPicky said:
The comments on Archbishop Cranmer are always best avoided though.
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On the contrary, I would warmly recommend looking through the comments threads on the Cranmer blog. They can often be at least as interesting as the OPs. For instance, on the subject of the Anglo-Catholic (aka High Church) wing of the Church of England, an ordained Catholic priest who turned Protestant recalled a few days ago, on a Cranmer comments thread, that what he calls the “Anglican High Churchers” are seen as being “more Roman than Rome.”

http://archbishopcranmer.com/church-england-compromised-compromising-church-thank-god/
 
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Which actually was discussed at one point, but as I understand it, foundered over the issue of women priests, which the Anglicans permit. Now that the Anglicans have also become very gay-friendly and have gay ministers who march around in support of abortion clinics, it’s even less likely that any merger would take place.
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Only a few dioceses of the Anglican communion have fallen into error, primarily the Episcopal Church in America. Other dioceses have been fighting to make the Episcopal Church follow tradition, and TEC has gotten a punishment until 2020 I believe, where they cannot participate in the Lambeth Conference. It is true that the Episcopal Church is being very non-tradition right now, even in the eyes of some liberal Anglicans
 
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Well, here is the leader of the Episcopal Church in the city in USA where I grew up, Rev. Lind. She has since retired due to illness, but she was very well known in the local community and was basically the face of the local Episcopal (aka Anglican) Church. She is openly gay (had a long-term female partner) and is shown here demonstrating in support of an abortion clinic. There was another large news story when she retired that featured a story of a Catholic guy who wanted to be a priest but couldn’t reconcile it with his being gay, so he joined her church because it was very gay-friendly.
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Ugh that makes me sick, especially them supporting abortion. “…a sacred space of decision” is what their facebook group refers to an abortion clinic. An abortion clinic. Sacred. What?! 🤮
 
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