Anglicans and Catholics

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jimcav said:
I was referring to the article that EmeraldCoast linked to about the celebacy problems of Fr. Cutie.

It was complete drivel, written by somebody that has no clue about what celibacy is and somebody that obviously cannot fathom even the very idea that a man can be celibate. One priest that strays does not make the case against celibacy.

When it comes to celibacy, we have nothing to learn form the Anglicans…
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That’s a pretty arrogant thing to say. :o
 
SonofMonica said:
Aye. Some respect for liturgy, proper music and choirs. 😃
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They have us beaten badly in music. The Anglican church near my home has wonderful uplifting music and they have a praise band who is superb. They have a 14 year old girl who plays the electric violin like an angel and the whole parish is really spirit filled. I’m sorry to say but the music in my home church is horrid. If it is supposed to portrait joy, it has missed the mark entirely. I don’t know what else to say, it stinks.
 
Louie1983 said:
Definately agree here! What could we learn from the Anglican church? Allowing Gay bishops? women priests?

It’s our Anglican brothers and sisters who have much to learn, not the other way around.
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Well you could learn some facts for a start. :mad:

One gay bishop ordained in a backwater of Anglicanism by people who want to feel important and then we’re told we’re all for ordaining practicing homosexuals.

As for women priests, in Christ there is neither male or female and don’t give me that “All christs diciples were men” nonsense because all Christs diciples were Jews as well. Do you believe in the ordination of gentiles? Of course you do.
 
Toribus said:
Good an evil can both be learned, yes.

The same with truth and lies.
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What is that supposed to mean? I’d say that it is a very contemptuous thing to hurl around in light of me just merely saying that there is much we could learn from Anglicans and believe me, it has nothing to do with evil or lies.
 
TAB39 said:
What is that supposed to mean? I’d say that it is a very contemptuous thing to hurl around in light of me just merely saying that there is much we could learn from Anglicans and believe me, it has nothing to do with evil or lies.
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I’m an Anglican. What can you (Catholic, as you say) learn from us, specifically?

GKC
 
GKC said:
I’m an Anglican. What can you (Catholic, as you say) learn from us, specifically?

GKC
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Before I would answer that I would say that your demeanor seems a bit of the selling-out nature to your own faith.
 
East_Anglican said:
Well you could learn some facts for a start. :mad:

One gay bishop ordained in a backwater of Anglicanism by people who want to feel important and then we’re told we’re all for ordaining practicing homosexuals.

As for women priests, in Christ there is neither male or female and don’t give me that “All christs diciples were men” nonsense because all Christs diciples were Jews as well. Do you believe in the ordination of gentiles? Of course you do.
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Maybe you are speaking the Anglican Church in Great Britain and not in the Episcopal Church of the USA. There are many gay priests, if not bishops, in the ECUSA. As a former Episcopalian whose father was a priest (he’s retired and now Antiochian Orthodox), I can say that the ordination of women to the Episcopal priesthood in the late '70’s was controversial and the vote was split 52-48. There was no consensus, and it very much was opposed by a majority of the people and was something foisted upon its members by persons within the convocation. The same is no doubt true for ordaining avowed gay priests.
In response to your second paragraph about women priests, it’s a matter of women not being chosen because they are not *in persona Christi, *especially during the liturgy of the Eucharist when the Holy Spirit transubstantiates the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ. If Jesus wanted women to be priests, the most eligible, perfect choice would have been His Mother; yet He did not. We must humbly accept His choices.
 
TAB39 said:
Before I would answer that I would say that your demeanor seems a bit of the selling-out nature to your own faith.
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I certainly think my flavor of the Faith has been sold out, in large measure, yes.

Having passed over that, what can you (Catholic, as you say) learn from us, specifically?

GKC
 
Sugabee43 said:
Maybe you are speaking the Anglican Church in Great Britain and not in the Episcopal Church of the USA. There are many gay priests, if not bishops, in the ECUSA. As a former Episcopalian whose father was a priest (he’s retired and now Antiochian Orthodox), I can say that the ordination of women to the Episcopal priesthood in the late '70’s was controversial and the vote was split 52-48. There was no consensus, and it very much was opposed by a majority of the people and was something foisted upon its members by persons within the convocation. The same is no doubt true for ordaining avowed gay priests.
In response to your second paragraph about women priests, it’s a matter of women not being chosen because they are not *in persona Christi, *especially during the liturgy of the Eucharist when the Holy Spirit transubstantiates the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ. If Jesus wanted women to be priests, the most eligible, perfect choice would have been His Mother; yet He did not. We must humbly accept His choices.
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There are gay priests in The Church here too. They tend not to be heard much about because they have such small congregations. n;)

How ECUSA has gone you and your father are probably better off out of it.

Transubstantiation isn’t a tenet of Anglicanism.
 
East_Anglican said:
There are gay priests in The Church here too. They tend not to be heard much about because they have such small congregations. n;)

How ECUSA has gone you and your father are probably better off out of it.

Transubstantiation isn’t a tenet of Anglicanism.
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But transubstantiation is a tenet some Anglicans accept.

GKC
 
GKC said:
But transubstantiation is a tenet some Anglicans accept.

GKC
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Yes. Growing up my entire life, I never was NOT taught that it was the true Body and Blood of Christ. It was explained to me by an Episcopal diocesan priest that Episc. canon law leaves it open to interpretation. The exact wording is ‘real presence’, and that can mean just about anything because that’s all it says. I’ve been to Episcopal churches that teach it’s a mere memorial, and churches that are ‘higher’ than most Catholic ones. Which is one of the reasons I left. Very inconsistent, and vague. The Catholic Church teaching on women priests is not.
 
Sugabee43 said:
Yes. Growing up my entire life, I never was NOT taught that it was the true Body and Blood of Christ. It was explained to me by an Episcopal diocesan priest that Episc. canon law leaves it open to interpretation. The exact wording is ‘real presence’, and that can mean just about anything because that’s all it says. I’ve been to Episcopal churches that teach it’s a mere memorial, and churches that are ‘higher’ than most Catholic ones. Which is one of the reasons I left. Very inconsistent, and vague. The Catholic Church teaching on women priests is not.
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Generalizing about Anglicans is a chancy business, but, in Catholic terminology in general, Real Presence usually means the Body and Blood of our Lord, the what. Transubstantiation relates to the how of it all. Which, Anglicans do often prefer to leave a mystery. As C. S. Lewis says of the sacrament, the command was “Take, eat”, not “Take, understand”. Which is fortunate for us.

GKC
 
Soutane said:
Humilty and patience;)
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Patience. A needful thing. On another board, I use a quatrain from Chesterton’s BALLAD OF THE WHITE HORSE, as a signature, particularly applicable to orthodox Anglicans these days:

I tell you naught for your comfort,
Yea, naught for your desire,
Save that the sky grows darker yet
And the sea rises higher.

GKC
 
GKC said:
I certainly think my flavor of the Faith has been sold out, in large measure, yes.

Having passed over that, what can you (Catholic, as you say) learn from us, specifically?

GKC
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How to better center our lives on Christ in both Word and action. Also to better serve people globally. What Anglicans are doing in Africa amidst the horrific violence is astounding and unprecidented. Africans are being baptized by the hundreds and thousands by churches in Uganda and Kenya. There are more Anglicans in church in Uganda or Kenya alone on a given Sunday than in the U.S. and U.K. combined.
 
TAB39 said:
How to better center our lives on Christ in both Word and action. Also to better serve people globally. What Anglicans are doing in Africa amidst the horrific violence is astounding and unprecidented. Africans are being baptized by the hundreds and thousands by churches in Uganda and Kenya. There are more Anglicans in church in Uganda or Kenya alone on a given Sunday than in the U.S. and U.K. combined.
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Yep. Lots of African Anglicans. High quality jurisdictions, there, mostly.

Is the RCC backwards, remiiss, or inadequate, in all these regards, such that a lesson should be learned from the Anglicans, then?

GKC
 
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