Cinette,
Actually, GKC is one of the few non-Catholic posters here who has pretty solid grasp of Catholic teaching on the subject, he just happens to disagree with it.
It seems to me that you’re wrong. I could cite you Ott, or describe the differences between the dogma as it was first promulgated at Vat I by the uber ultra-montanes, and how it was finally defined there. But, as I said, you can take it that I’m familiar with the definition. Trust me.It seems to me that you do not fully understand the meaning of infallibility
I thank you for the kind words, and affirm your conclusion.Cinette,
Actually, GKC is one of the few non-Catholic posters here who has pretty solid grasp of Catholic teaching on the subject, he just happens to disagree with it.
If GKC stood for G K Chesterton I might take note but…
I agree. I can’t buy that the Church could do things infallibly up until (insert doctrine/dogma that you don’t agree with here) happened, then it was off the rails. I think *we’re *the ones who go off the rails
Again I say we have to submit to the Magisterium - it emanated from Jesus and his Apostles after all.
It is rough to feel alone and in need of help - asking for some and then effectively getting rejected. Sorry to hear of your experience in this way.
There are two links you may find helpful when it comes to looking at a role model of a Mother who sought the conversion of her child. St. Monica and her prayerful approach to this issue has a lesson or two for everyone. Her feast day is on the 27th.
Hi Tom,
Not to answer for Tom, but while Catholics would recognize that Mandy’s son in law is, of course, a Christian, he is not in communion with the Church. Mandy’s dismay is justified as her daughter is now no longer in full communion, has lost access to the sacraments and has possibly committed mortal sin by missing Mass, etc.
Hi Chris!
The way that I read Mandy’s post, I understood her to be both upset and concerned. Talking to God has a way of resolving many issues in our own hearts.
Take note. It does. I’ve been a serious Chesterton collector for over 40 years. I own (with a few small exceptions) everything he wrote and published, between boards, along with all the major works on him. And Belloc too. among any others. It’s a hobby.
That definition of Papal infallibility lacks a couple of technical details, of the complete dogma as it was promulgated by Vatican I. You might look it up.Seriously, as I understand it infallibility means that the Pope cannot err in matters of Faith and Morals. Surely the Holy Spirit is guiding our Holy Father? And Faith is not a matter of agreement, of opinion! Your colleague respects you I understand but I am not sure I would be convinced.
I agree with you, Tom!Hi, emeraldcoast
The way that I read Mandy’s post, I understood her to be both upset and concerned. Talking to God has a way of resolving many issues in our own hearts.
You are quite right about there being boundaries - but, as long as Mandy is praying to God, in the persevering manner in which Monica did, I am confident that God will answer her prayers. How God does this remains to be seen - but, the issue is perseverance and here is a role model.
My understanding is that you are 100% correct concerning the life of Agustine and Monica, but my intent was not to try and find an exact match in this case (even assuming one existed). Rather, here is an example of an upset and concerned mother who brought her heart and focus to God. Such dedication can be a good example for all of us…even those who are happy with the choices their offspring have made
The post I made was not an invitation to nag, meddle, intrude, disrupt or what-have-you into the lives of one’s married sons and daughters. Rather, pray that God’s Will be done in their lives … and, while you are at it, pray that His Will be done in all of our lives!
God bless
And, if you don’t mind let me add something here that I missed in my original post. and praying AT someone…
I can’t fathom what I could be missing out having experienced both for many years. I have studied a great deal and feel I understand both Catholic theology and the Episcopal ideas quite well. I have had good experiences in both, no bad priests, helpful religious and laity. I just could not and cannot stomach a good deal of Catholic dogma today. I find its reasoning lacking and its desire to “not change” twisted. But that of course is just me. We all should be where we feel at one with God to the greatest degree. I have no quarrel with Roman Catholics at all. I do dislike some, (few thankfully) who are somewhat arrogant in their presumptuousness of being “the best and the first.” Few do that however.As long as this is what your conscience tell you and where the Spirit leads but I think you are missing out.
I don’t think the Biblical admonition for a wife to follow her husband includes following him into heresy (no offense intended, but technically that’s how the Church still views it). If the wife is a Catholic, she is obligated to continue practicing her faith and to strive to raise her children in the faith as well. That’s part of the pre-marriage conseling for Catholics who marry non-Catholics.
Was she married in the Catholic Church?
I recently heard a sermon about the Holy Spirit’s arrival on Pentecost Sunday. The Spirit brought many Gifts to those gathered in the Upper Room - but He did not deliver a book!
Hi Tom, I am going to throw Reason into the mix…