Animals You Eat: Bad Meat!

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Cracker_Mom said:
Good grief.Must one’s comments be psychoanalyzed for having a differing opinion,diet, or actual farming experience? So far you’ve judged the content of my posts to be defiant, defensive & disrespectful.
It also took all of 5 seconds to locate the reference to St.Peter’s vision on the rooftop thru’ Google.(Acts 10;9-16…)
Back to work.:rolleyes:
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Sorry. I don’t understand why you subscribe to this thread and make comments when you are not familiar with the original post that asks for opinions on a specific VIDEO. It’s like joining a book club and making comments about a book that you haven’t read. To me that is defiant and disrespectful to the members who HAVE READ THE BOOK!!! If you don’t want to read the book, so to speak, why do you post here and not start your own thread and use a different “BOOK” of your choosing. The content of your posts*** is ***disrespectful to the other posters who are trying to have a conversation about the TOPIC OF THE OP.
 
Marfran said:
I DON"T LIKE THE POLL–because it is not reflective of the topic of discussion. The poll should be: After viewing the video: Animals You Eat: Bad Meat: 1) Do you plan to do/or are already doing something to help improve this situation; 2) Think this situation does not exist, 3) Think this situation may exist but does not affect you or your choices, 4) Realize that this situation does exist but you are powerless to affect it, or 5) Was completely taken by surprise by the video and would like to investigate the topic more.
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It IS the PETA produced video.:eek:
Extreme animal rights propaganda.(In my humble meat-eating opinion.)Already seen it. It’s been making the rounds locally in the newspaper blogs.
PETA is right up there next to the terrorists in my book.They have no real regard for human life & were arrested not too long ago for disposing animal carcasses in a super market dumpster.
They want to abolish pet ownership,medical research involving lab animals, hunting, fishing & all dairy & meat consumption.And more…
 
Marfran said:
And you didn’t post it because…???
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The irony here is St Peter’s vision has nothing to do with eating animals! It has to do with converting the gentiles! But, I suppose if you are a cafeteria Catholic then you can take any old scripture and make it mean what you want it to!:cool:
 
That_one_guy said:
Hi Marfran!👋
Are we having fun, yet?
It is amazing just how ignorant people choose to remain. You can give them facts until you are blue in the face and they will still come up with these fairy tales and blatant inflammatory comments. Then deny it when you point it out. Try the ignore function on your user control panel for these trolls. It helps to keep the blood pressure down. That is what I do. That way I only have to read posts from intelligent people!👍
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That one guy: 👋:love:👋:love:
 
That_one_guy said:
The irony here is St Peter’s vision has nothing to do with eating animals! It has to do with converting the gentiles! But, I suppose if you are a cafeteria Catholic then you can take any old scripture and make it mean what you want it to!:cool:
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We ARE the Gentiles that became Christians & that vision re. foods applies to us.Ditto for the issue of circumcision.
Vegetarians seem to be able to take Bible verses & rework the meaning to fit the occasion just as well an anyone else. Thankfully, we have Church teaching to fall back on.
 
Cracker_Mom said:
We ARE the Gentiles that became Christians & that vision re. foods applies to us.Ditto for the issue of circumcision.
Vegetarians seem to be able to take Bible verses & rework the meaning to fit the occasion just as well an anyone else. Thankfully, we have Church teaching to fall back on.
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church teaching does not support factory farming. the pope himself has said as much.
 
Cracker_Mom said:
It IS the PETA produced video.:eek:
Extreme animal rights propaganda.(In my humble meat-eating opinion.)Already seen it. It’s been making the rounds locally in the newspaper blogs.
PETA is right up there next to the terrorists in my book.They have no real regard for human life & were arrested not too long ago for disposing animal carcasses in a super market dumpster.
They want to abolish pet ownership,medical research involving lab animals, hunting, fishing & all dairy & meat consumption.And more…
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So your opinion is that since the video is produced by PETA it is not true, does not happen, is exaggerated, and is not representative of current factory farming conditions. For farm animals that do experience this type of treatment your reaction is…please fill in the blank. Irregardless of who produced the video, the footage is real, chickens lost their beaks as the camera rolled, etc. If you do not like the producers of the video can you still constructly engage in the topic of discussion? Can you suggest other materials that would aid in this discussion?
 
cathybramble said:
church teaching does not support factory farming. the pope himself has said as much.
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PETA is against ALL meat consumption & production. Free range & otherwise.That really is the intent of their propaganda & the video they circulate.
The Church does not teach meat consumption is wrong.
“Factory Farming” is not evil. Farms can be mismanaged, absolutely.I don’t doubt a bit that employees get burned out & mistreat animals.It’s not a great place to work.
 
That_one_guy said:
The irony here is St Peter’s vision has nothing to do with eating animals! It has to do with converting the gentiles! But, I suppose if you are a cafeteria Catholic then you can take any old scripture and make it mean what you want it to!:cool:
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Would you please care to explain that, as opposed to just obliquely accusing the poster of being a cafeteria Catholic?

Or, in your view, are all non-Vegan/vegetarian Catholics “cafeteria Catholics”?
Acts 15 28 ‘It is the decision of the holy Spirit and of us not to place on you any burden beyond these necessities, 29 namely, to abstain from meat sacrificed to idols, from blood, from meats of strangled animals, and from unlawful marriage. If you keep free of these, you will be doing what is right. Farewell.’"
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It seems clear to me that the only prohibition that was kept over from Mosaic law for the Gentiles were those I underlined above. Meaning that kosher meat was still “kosher” (ritually slaughtered, blood removed, not strangled, obviously not left for idols).
Acts 10 9 The next day, while they were on their way and nearing the city, Peter went up to the roof terrace to pray at about noontime. 10 He was hungry and wished to eat, and while they were making preparations he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something resembling a large sheet coming down, lowered to the ground by its four corners. 12 In it were all the earth’s four-legged animals and reptiles and the birds of the sky. 13 A voice said to him, “Get up, Peter. Slaughter and eat.” 14 But Peter said, “Certainly not, sir. For never have I eaten anything profane and unclean.” 15 The voice spoke to him again, a second time, “What God has made clean, you are not to call profane.” 16 This happened three times, and then the object was taken up into the sky.
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In a footnote to this, the NAB says:
The vision is intended to prepare Peter to share the food of Cornelius’ household without qualms of conscience (Acts 10:48). The necessity of such instructions to Peter reveals that at first not even the apostles fully grasped the implications of Jesus’ teaching on the law. In Acts, the initial insight belongs to Stephen.
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I also refer you to Romans 15:
1 1 Welcome anyone who is weak in faith, but not for disputes over opinions. 2 One person believes that one may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats must not despise the one who abstains, and the one who abstains must not pass judgment on the one who eats; for God has welcomed him. 4 Who are you to pass judgment on someone else’s servant? Before his own master he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. 5 (For) one person considers one day more important than another, while another person considers all days alike. Let everyone be fully persuaded in his own mind. 2 6 Whoever observes the day, observes it for the Lord. Also whoever eats, eats for the Lord, since he gives thanks to God; while whoever abstains, abstains for the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 None of us lives for oneself, and no one dies for oneself. 8 For if we live, we live for the Lord, 3 and if we die, we die for the Lord; so then, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For this is why Christ died and came to life, that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 Why then do you judge your brother? Or you, why do you look down on your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of God; 11 for it is written: “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bend before me, and every tongue shall give praise to God.” 12 So (then) each of us shall give an account of himself (to God). 13 Then let us no longer judge one another, but rather resolve never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. 14 I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; still, it is unclean for someone who thinks it unclean. 15 If your brother is being hurt by what you eat, your conduct is no longer in accord with love. Do not because of your food destroy him for whom Christ died. 16 So do not let your good be reviled. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of food and drink, but of righteousness, peace, and joy in the holy Spirit; 18 whoever serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by others. 19 Let us 4 then pursue what leads to peace and to building up one another. 20 For the sake of food, do not destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyone to become a stumbling block by eating; 21 it is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble. 22 Keep the faith (that) you have to yourself in the presence of God; blessed is the one who does not condemn himself for what he approves. 23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because this is not from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin. 5
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And the salient footnotes:
 
Footnotes to Romans 15:
1 8:1-11:1] The Corinthians’ second question concerns meat that has been sacrificed to idols; in this area they were exhibiting a disordered sense of liberation that Paul here tries to rectify. These chapters contain a sustained and unified argument that illustrates Paul’s method of theological reflection on a moral dilemma. Although the problem with which he is dealing is dated, the guidelines for moral decisions that he offers are of lasting validity. Essentially Paul urges them to take a communitarian rather than an individualistic view of their Christian freedom. Many decisions that they consider pertinent only to their private relationship with God have, in fact, social consequences. Nor can moral decisions be determined by merely theoretical considerations; they must be based on concrete circumstances, specifically on the value and needs of other individuals and on mutual responsibility within the community. Paul here introduces the theme of “building up” (oikodome), i.e., of contributing by individual action to the welfare and growth of the community. This theme will be further developed in 1 Cor 14; see the note on 1 Cor 14:3b-5. Several years later Paul would again deal with the problem of meat sacrificed to idols in Romans 14:1-15:6.
2 [1a] Meat sacrificed to idols: much of the food consumed in the city could have passed through pagan religious ceremonies before finding its way into markets and homes. “All of us have knowledge”: a slogan, similar to 1 Cor 6:12, which reveals the self-image of the Corinthians. 1 Cor 8:4 will specify the content of this knowledge.
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4 [8-9] Although the food in itself is morally neutral, extrinsic circumstances may make the eating of it harmful. A stumbling block: the image is that of tripping or causing someone to fall (cf 1 Cor 8:13; 9:12; 10:12, 32; 2 Cor 6:3; Romans 14:13, 20-1). This is a basic moral imperative for Paul, a counterpart to the positive imperative to “build one another up”; compare the expression “giving offense” as opposed to “pleasing” in 1 Cor 10:32-33.
5 [13] His own course is clear: he will avoid any action that might harm another Christian. This statement prepares for the paradigmatic development in 1 Cor 9.
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That_one_guy said:
Sign this petition!!!👍
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11 Facts About Animals and Factory Farms
1)A factory farm is a large-scale industrial operation that houses thousands of animals raised for food—mainly chickens, turkeys, cows and pigs—and treats them with hormones and antibiotics to prevent disease and maximize their growth and food output.
2)Feeding animals antibiotics on a consistent basis may cause the humans that consume them to lose some of their ability to fight certain strains of bacteria.
3)The beaks of chickens, turkeys and ducks are often removed in factory farms to reduce the excessive feather pecking and cannibalism seen among stressed, overcrowded birds.
4)animals are often force bred to produce young at unnaturally accelerated rates, causing them exhaustion and stress.
5)Animals headed for slaughter who become too sick or injured to walk unassisted are forced onto slaughter trucks, often with a bulldozer.
6)Confining so many animals in one place produces much more waste than the surrounding land can handle. As a result, factory farms are associated with various environmental hazards, such as water, land and air pollution.
7)People who live in close proximity to factory farms often complain of high incidents of illness.
8)To make Foie gras, one of the most popular and well-known delicacies in French cuisine, birds are force-fed enormous quantities of food three times daily for four weeks via a pipe that is inserted into the esophagus. This leads to enlargement of the animal’s liver and possible rupturing of the internal organs, infection and a painful death.
9)From birth to slaughter at five months, calves used to produce “formula-fed” or “white” veal are confined to two-foot-wide crates and chained to inhibit movement. The lack of exercise retards muscle development, resulting in pale, tender meat.
10)Egg-laying hens are sometimes starved for up to 14 days, exposed to changing light patterns and given no water in order to shock their bodies into molting, a usually natural process by which worn feathers are replaced. It’s common for 5-10% of hens to die during the forced molting process.
11)After one or two years of producing eggs at an unnaturally high rate, female fowl are classified as "spent hens.” No longer financially profitable for factory farmers, they are slaughtered.
Do something.org
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Cracker_Mom said:
PETA is against ALL meat consumption & production. Free range & otherwise.That really is the intent of their propaganda & the video they circulate.
The Church does not teach meat consumption is wrong.
“Factory Farming” is not evil. Farms can be mismanaged, absolutely.I don’t doubt a bit that employees get burned out & mistreat animals.It’s not a great place to work.
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OK–let’s eliminate PETA from the equation. The video shows what happens on “some” (maybe many) factory farms. I have seen news stories on the same topic from unbiased journalists. We CAN ALL AGREE that the producers of the video have a biased opinion, but that does not negate the fact that this type of treatment ***does occur ***to animals in the agribusiness industry. Perhaps viewing this video will encourage people to seek out more information on the topic.

Thank you Cracker Mom!! Now you are being productive and offering good insights. I encourage ALL OTHER POSTERS to also bring personal experience and well thought ideas to the table. AND SOME OF YOU OTHER GUYS, knock off the nonsense.
 
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