Animals You Eat: Bad Meat!

[That_one_guy]

The resurrected Christ, who did not need to eat at all, cooked a nice fish breakfast for his friends in the Gospels. To avoid animal cruelty, great (ie free range meats, etc when possible). To become vegetarian? Not happening.

Now where is my steak and eggs???

And what does this have to do with factory farming and the stewardship of God’s creation?

 

[cathybramble]

The resurrected Christ, who did not need to eat at all, cooked a nice fish breakfast for his friends in the Gospels. To avoid animal cruelty, great (ie free range meats, etc when possible). To become vegetarian? Not happening.

Now where is my steak and eggs???

in ur body, cloggin up your arteries.

 

[cathybramble]

1 Yahweh sent the prophet Nathan to David. He came to him and said: In the same town were two men, one rich, the other poor.
2 The rich man had flocks and herds in great abundance;
3 the poor man had nothing but a ewe lamb, only a single little one which he had bought. He fostered it and it grew up with him and his children, eating his bread, drinking from his cup, sleeping in his arms; it was like a daughter to him.
4 When a traveler came to stay, the rich man would not take anything from his own flock or herd to provide for the wayfarer who had come to him. Instead, he stole the poor man’s lamb and prepared that for his guest.
5 David flew into a great rage with the man. ‘As Yahweh lives,’ he said to Nathan ‘the man who did this deserves to die.
6 For doing such a thing and for having shown no pity, he shall make fourfold restitution for the lamb.’
7 Nathan then said to David, 'You are the man!..

what is this? samuel was not rebuked for treating the lamb as a daughter…?! INCONCEIVABLE!! surely there was some human child in the kingdom who needed a home, and here was samuel feeding a pet sheep…

 

[cathybramble]

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Yes well since I neither believe in human sacrifice or Yahwey, for me that is just a complete waste of good meat. However I think the point of we should not cause undue harm to be a good one.
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I’m sure I agree with many points the vegans and vegetarians make. However for different reasons and far less emotionally.

abbadon, there are many secular vegans and vegetarians you could discuss this with. i think it is juvenile of you to choose catholics/christians to talk to about this, and then reject everything they say because you don’t have the same belief system (do you have one at all?)

 

[That_one_guy]

Having just chowed down on a magnificent pumpkin and pea risotto (not vegan, I’m afraid, but definitely vegetarian), which I thoroughly enjoyed cooking, and my husband and I heartily savoured, I’m feeling inspired to post some thoughts about the attitudes and mindsets related to vegetarian and vegan eating.

At the most basic level, it comes down to one’s own conscience. Broadly speaking, there seem to be two ‘types’ of conscience represented on this thread and others that have dealt with issues related to the farming and eating of meat.

Simply put, either you feel that other animals are worthy of moral consideration, or you don’t.

I am proud to be among the former category, and I also feel fortunate that I am in a position to choose organically-produced meat, when I feel the desire to eat meat. However, I also know that if I were not in such a position, I could happily exist on a meat-free diet and not feel any sense of loss. Cooking can be a highly creative endeavour, and I feel incredibly satisfied when enjoying the fruits of my labour, whether they contain meat or not.

For me, and I suspect for many others posting to this thread, dietary choices are a matter of respect - respect for one’s own body, respect for the environment, and for those of us who choose to eat meat, respect for the animals that provide it.

I know there are some who would say, “What does it matter how we treat animals if they’re just going to be killed anyway?” I would say that it’s worth remembering that even in pagan cultures where human sacrifice was part of their tradition, the individual being sacrificed was often highly respected and valued, even revered as an integral part of the community’s commitment to their gods. Bear in mind, also, that when animals were sacrificed to God in the Old Testament, they were always the best of the flock - I doubt that it would have been a sign of respect for God to present Him with a maltreated animal.

So, yes, it is possible to have a high regard for animal welfare and still eat meat - you just have to make appropriate choices about where your meat comes from.

Sair,
For what it is worth…
Yes, I agree. Very well stated. Thank you.

 

[That_one_guy]

Energy, healthcare, agriculture, climate change, global outbreaks like swine flu—what do all these topics have in common? Food. That’s right, none of these issues can really be tackled without addressing some of the fundamental problems of the food system and the American diet.

Well, my next guest is one of the leading writers and thinkers in this country on food. Michael Pollan is a professor of science and environmental journalism at University of California, Berkeley, author of several books about food, including The Botany of Desire, The Omnivore’s Dilemma and his latest, In Defense of Food: An Eater’s Manifesto, which just came out in paperback. … Let’s start with the latest news over the last month, swine flu. How is that connected to industrialized agriculture?

alternet.org/story/140029/

 

[cdanison]

I want my chicken well done, but my steak held over a match!

Connie

 

[cathybramble]

I want my chicken well done, but my steak held over a match!

Connie

there is a vegan haters thread in the back fence, why don’t you go troll over there with the others? you can all make fun of people who don’t eat meat to your heart’s content, and then complain that WE are wasting time talking about something other than abortion.

 

[That_one_guy]

I want my chicken well done, but my steak held over a match!

Connie

:bluelite:ALERT! ALERT!
This is about as classy as going to a barmitzvah and taking pickled pigs feet as a gift!

Thanks for sharing. :clapping:

kpeople:Next troll, please. Take a number, there is plenty of room for all!

 

[cdanison]

there is a vegan haters thread in the back fence, why don’t you go troll over there with the others? you can all make fun of people who don’t eat meat to your heart’s content, and then complain that WE are wasting time talking about something other than abortion.

Hey, I didn’t say a thing about vegans. I just happen not to be one. If that is your thing, God bless!

Connie:shrug:

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Uh… how come that poll is still there? :ehh: You do know that’s what’s been luring us meat lovers to come here right?

 

[That_one_guy]

Uh… how come that poll is still there? :ehh: You do know that’s what’s been luring us meat lovers to come here right?

I think it is a gift from distracted. At least that is the general consensus.

 

[4elise]

I want my chicken well done, but my steak held over a match!

Connie

Connie - if you feel you were overreacted to - please understand that for those of us who have chosen not to eat meat - the vegetarians and vegans among us - on this thread we’ve felt a little beat up — :blackeye::stretcher::crutches: - after a while it is hard to react to a comment that may not have been intended to sound harsh ---- you might have been joking, but in the context of this long thread it is hard to read yet another person just off handed comment about eating meat and how you like it cooked ---- so can we start again?

The idea of this forum was to discuss factory farming -

If you aren’t familiar with this issue, there have been some links offered - one that was really good was this video: nonviolenceunited.org/veganvideo.html

 

[4elise]

Uh… how come that poll is still there? :ehh: You do know that’s what’s been luring us meat lovers to come here right?

We’ve tried to make it go away - several of us have written to the administrator about this - but apparently there is no rule about starting a poll on a forum you didn’t start - EVEN using language that is offensive to the original poster.

Someone started another forum looking for information on the death of a child on a vegan diet, I tried to answer - Now - I could have set up a poll on their forum - saying "I’m a vegetarian / vegan the way God made me / or / I like to eat dead animals who have suffered "---- I could, but I didn’t - because it would be childish, vindictive, and certainly not keeping with our Catholic faith.

I appreciate that you’ve tried to stay engaged because you have questions, and allow us to answer them and we can go back and forth - so - keeping it respectful - let’s keep it going - did you watch the video that was posted: nonviolenceunited.org/veganvideo.html - what did you think?

 

[Marfran]

We’ve tried to make it go away - several of us have written to the administrator about this - but apparently there is no rule about starting a poll on a forum you didn’t start - EVEN using language that is offensive to the original poster.

Someone started another forum looking for information on the death of a child on a vegan diet, I tried to answer - Now - I could have set up a poll on their forum - saying "I’m a vegetarian / vegan the way God made me / or / I like to eat dead animals who have suffered "---- I could, but I didn’t - because it would be childish, vindictive, and certainly not keeping with our Catholic faith.

I appreciate that you’ve tried to stay engaged because you have questions, and allow us to answer them and we can go back and forth - so - keeping it respectful - let’s keep it going - did you watch the video that was posted: nonviolenceunited.org/veganvideo.html - what did you think?

:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:

 

[Abbadon]

abbadon, there are many secular vegans and vegetarians you could discuss this with. i think it is juvenile of you to choose catholics/christians to talk to about this, and then reject everything they say because you don’t have the same belief system (do you have one at all?)

Well the vegans have mainly used non religious reasons. Which interests me. It’s not the belief system, you can have belief systems without gods. But I’m sure the discussion is for Catholics to be had, but I’m here for the non religious reasoning. Which seems to be more of the point.

How can you not have a belief system? I just don’t think mine has a specific name to it… Secular Humanist Eppicurian perhaps…

 

[Cracker_Mom]

anyone who disagrees is off topic…

Ok… gotcha…

That is certainly how it appears…

 

[Abbadon]

The idea of this forum was to discuss factory farming -

The RSPCA have been creating standards for farming and giving accreditation to products that meet the standard.
rspca.org.au/food/overview.asp
This is what I personally buy (and free range) because it is inline with my ethical concerns towards animals.

And also the options of free range and organic exists.

I’m curious as to the thoughts on vegans and vegetarians as to this.

 

[Cracker_Mom]

I want my chicken well done, but my steak held over a match!

Connie

Zero tolerance for humor on this site, please…

 

[Walt_Oliver]

Thread closed for continued lack of charity coming from both sides of the argument.

DO NOT OPEN ANOTHER ONE ON THE SAME TOPIC.