Animals You Eat: Bad Meat!

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Why dont those who think humans are overpopulating this earth that was given to us to multiply volunteer themselves to reduce the population? Not that I want you to, or am asking you to, but you can help solve the problem you so strongly believe in. You sound like that guy over in England who said they needed to cut their population in half. Well, I can tell him a good place to start.
 
Verbum_Caro said:
Another example: those on a ship have their appointed tasks, or even the tasks to which they have an affinity for. But when the call comes “all hands!” to help bail out the water, then all hands must join in. The sail-mending, the deck polishing, even the tending of the sick and injured must wait.

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My belief is that unnecessary suffering should be abolished, and that all steps to accomplish this are steps in the right direction, whether they attend to human or nonhuman suffering. Again, it comes down to what one sees as the most important issue - abolishing suffering in general or exclusively promoting human life.
 
I’m having trouble navigating here. I read some replies–can’t seem to find them again. Spent a lot of time responding–lost everything. I was born and raised Catholic. I don’t have an agenda. Christ ate little meat. In his time meat was hunted/harvested immediately. Meat was a rich man’s food. Meat was not frequently on the table, as it is today, because of the lack of refrigeration. Meat did not become a commonplace dietary item until after the INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION. I chose the You Tube video because it is easy to find, and from all of my studies it IS very accurate. Oprah recently had a show on this very topic and included pro-factory farmers and small local farms that did not engage in these cruel practices. EATING MEAT is not as much of the issue as is the treatment of these animals in these mass factory farm conditions. Please view the video–or I can find some other video if you do not like that one. My question is–how can we turn our backs on this? How can we condone this behavior. What would God say about all of this? I can’t imagine Jesus searing off the beaks of 10 living chickens with a hot gun and then stuffing them into a cage to produce eggs for his breakfast. Can you? Would he not let them be free and comfortable and collect any eggs that they desired to give Him? How is it UnCatholic to have these concerns? Perhaps it is UnCatholic to ignore.
 
Marfran said:
I’m having trouble navigating here. I read some replies–can’t seem to find them again. Spent a lot of time responding–lost everything. I was born and raised Catholic. I don’t have an agenda. Christ ate little meat. In his time meat was hunted/harvested immediately. Meat was a rich man’s food. Meat was not frequently on the table, as it is today, because of the lack of refrigeration. Meat did not become a commonplace dietary item until after the INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION. I chose the You Tube video because it is easy to find, and from all of my studies it IS very accurate. Oprah recently had a show on this very topic and included pro-factory farmers and small local farms that did not engage in these cruel practices. EATING MEAT is not as much of the issue as is the treatment of these animals in these mass factory farm conditions. Please view the video–or I can find some other video if you do not like that one. My question is–how can we turn our backs on this? How can we condone this behavior. What would God say about all of this? I can’t imagine Jesus searing off the beaks of 10 living chickens with a hot gun and then stuffing them into a cage to produce eggs for his breakfast. Can you? Would he not let them be free and comfortable and collect any eggs that they desired to give Him? How is it UnCatholic to have these concerns? Perhaps it is UnCatholic to ignore.
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Hey Marfran, can you imagine several packs of wild coyotes chasing those free range birds down and ripping them to pieces? I guess they could just hire me to hunt and trap the coyotes, wait no…that would be animal suffering too dangit. Chickens are a social bird, they enjoy living in close quarters, being fed on a regular basis much more than running for their lives every night.
 
Marfran said:
I’m having trouble navigating here. I read some replies–can’t seem to find them again. Spent a lot of time responding–lost everything. I was born and raised Catholic. I don’t have an agenda. Christ ate little meat. In his time meat was hunted/harvested immediately. Meat was a rich man’s food. Meat was not frequently on the table, as it is today, because of the lack of refrigeration. Meat did not become a commonplace dietary item until after the INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION. I chose the You Tube video because it is easy to find, and from all of my studies it IS very accurate. Oprah recently had a show on this very topic and included pro-factory farmers and small local farms that did not engage in these cruel practices. EATING MEAT is not as much of the issue as is the treatment of these animals in these mass factory farm conditions. Please view the video–or I can find some other video if you do not like that one. My question is–how can we turn our backs on this? How can we condone this behavior. What would God say about all of this? I can’t imagine Jesus searing off the beaks of 10 living chickens with a hot gun and then stuffing them into a cage to produce eggs for his breakfast. Can you? Would he not let them be free and comfortable and collect any eggs that they desired to give Him? How is it UnCatholic to have these concerns? Perhaps it is UnCatholic to ignore.
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Marfan, this exact post is on the previous page (4). Are you seeing the page numbers at the bottom? The posts aren’t going away… if you want to read the posts after a post you’ve made, click on your own profile, go to statistics, and then click on see all posts. You can click on each one individually and then read what has been posted since.
 
yellowbird said:
It doesn’t matter if the unborn child does not suffer. That sooooo isn’t the issue. I could give you anesthesia and then kill you and you wouldn’t feel any pain. Does that make it less wrong? Of course not, it would still be murder.
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I’d agree that taking my life without my consent - since I am a being capable of giving consent - would not be rendered less wrong by giving me anaesthesia. However, it would be rendered more wrong if you were to subject me to torture, humiliation or indignity in addition to killing me, because I would be personally aware of all these things. So, therefore, anaesthetising me before killing me could be regarded as an act of relative mercy. Aborting a nonsentient foetus, that is incapable of suffering or of giving consent independently of the body of the mother upon whom it depends, is a very different moral issue. The mother’s rights, as a fully sentient being, come first.
 
rpp said:
This is not consistent with what the Catholic Church teaches. Being a vegetarian falls into the area of prudential judgment. To claim that eating meat, which Christ Himself did, is somehow evil is utterly ridiculous.

To other readers I would add that this person is pasting this message in several of his (few) other posts.
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I completely do not understand how my concerns are unCatholic?!??? How are my concerns not consistant with the Catholic Church? I said nowhere that eating meat was EVIL. I am concerned about our modern factory farming practices and how Christ himself would not abuse animals as we do today in this country (USA). Does anybody remember St. Francis?
 
bbarrick8383 said:
Because I am the big fish(like a shark or killer whale) and animals are the little fish( like a dolphin). If you think grabbing a chicken by the neck and popping it’s head off is gross, you should see what a shark can do.
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Again, you miss the point.

The shark takes what it needs, and doesn’t bother with the multitudes that escape its immediate predatory notice.

Humans take what we think will sell, and give us individual monetary profit - not what we think is sustainable on a global scale. For those of you who can’t give a damn about other animals, let me put it this way - humans are dying because the industrialised West has come to regard profit as more important than the continuance of human populations in developing countries. Please take this into account when arguing that every human foetus coneceived in a Western nation has an intrinsic right to life.
 
Sair said:
. Please take this into account when arguing that every human foetus coneceived in a Western nation has an intrinsic right to life.
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Every human child conceived anywhere in the world has an intrinsic right to life because every child is created in the image of God.
 
bbarrick8383 said:
Hey Marfran, can you imagine several packs of wild coyotes chasing those free range birds down and ripping them to pieces? I guess they could just hire me to hunt and trap the coyotes, wait no…that would be animal suffering too dangit. Chickens are a social bird, they enjoy living in close quarters, being fed on a regular basis much more than running for their lives every night.
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Obviously you are responding without viewing the video. If you don’t like that one I can find another–there have been several documentaries and television programs (including the Oprah show ) about the subject. Can you imagine those social chickens running around without their beaks because they were seared off by a hot gun? Small free range farms can keep the coyotes out. They have indoor shelter at night. The social birds that you talk about are stuffed into a cage (10+) and do not even have enough room to move their bodies comfortably. Their beaks are seared off so that they don’t peck each other to death. They are shot up with antibiotics to prevent disease and infection from living in these overcrowded conditions. I can not imagine Christ holding up one of His chickens to the hot gun, and searing it’s beak off. There is a natural order in the world and the balance would work perfectly by God’s design–we humans are doing things to our earth that interfere with this design. To love our planet and everything in it, everything that God created, we need to consider how our actions and modern methods affect God’s perfect balance. By asking you to view this video I am asking you to consider if this is right, and what would God say if he could speak to us about it. Would he laugh and crack jokes about the beakless birds or threaten them with a coyote? We are STEWARDS of the planet, of the animals. Are we doing a good job of it? Do you think? In God’s eyes?
 
yellowbird said:
The greatest problem is not human overpopulation. The greatest problem is people denying the existance of God and the role He should play in their lives.

I’m so sorry to hear that you used to be Catholic and now you are an atheist. Was you Mum alive to see that happen? If so it must’ve broken her heart? Sorry, as a Mom I can’t even imagine the sadness I would feel if one of my children not only left the Church, but no longer even believed in God. 😦
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My Mum has coped thus far. She is an immensely strong person, and I can still avow that I have inherited the majority of my moral values from her. The foremost being the need to treat others as I would have them treat me. Moreover, I was never taught that this value should be exclusive to humans.
 
Sair said:
Again, you miss the point.

The shark takes what it needs, and doesn’t bother with the multitudes that escape its immediate predatory notice.

Humans take what we think will sell, and give us individual monetary profit - not what we think is sustainable on a global scale. For those of you who can’t give a damn about other animals, let me put it this way - humans are dying because the industrialised West has come to regard profit as more important than the continuance of human populations in developing countries. Please take this into account when arguing that every human foetus coneceived in a Western nation has an intrinsic right to life.
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The shark also rips into the fish without regard to what the fish thinks about it.

If you knew any of these Humans that you speak of instead of reading about it on Petas Kool Aid for Idiots Daily, you’d know that those who practice this thing called animal husbandry have been doing it for centuries and have been amongst the poorest people of the land. They dont give a damn about money, they want to raise their animals to feed others and their families. They do it because they enjoy it. My nieces cry every time we have to take a pig or cow away from them that is going to slaughter or sale, but it also teaches them about this thing called reality. I suggest you join it.
 
Marfran said:
Obviously you are responding without viewing the video. If you don’t like that one I can find another–there have been several documentaries and television programs (including the Oprah show ) about the subject. Can you imagine those social chickens running around without their beaks because they were seared off by a hot gun? Small free range farms can keep the coyotes out. They have indoor shelter at night. The social birds that you talk about are stuffed into a cage (10+) and do not even have enough room to move their bodies comfortably. Their beaks are seared off so that they don’t peck each other to death. They are shot up with antibiotics to prevent disease and infection from living in these overcrowded conditions. I can not imagine Christ holding up one of His chickens to the hot gun, and searing it’s beak off. There is a natural order in the world and the balance would work perfectly by God’s design–we humans are doing things to our earth that interfere with this design. To love our planet and everything in it, everything that God created, we need to consider how our actions and modern methods affect God’s perfect balance. By asking you to view this video I am asking you to consider if this is right, and what would God say if he could speak to us about it. Would he laugh and crack jokes about the beakless birds or threaten them with a coyote? We are STEWARDS of the planet, of the animals. Are we doing a good job of it? Do you think? In God’s eyes?
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Pull the plank out of your eye. What have you done to steward the planet?
 
Marfran said:
Obviously you are responding without viewing the video. If you don’t like that one I can find another–there have been several documentaries and television programs (including the Oprah show ) about the subject. Can you imagine those social chickens running around without their beaks because they were seared off by a hot gun? Small free range farms can keep the coyotes out. They have indoor shelter at night. The social birds that you talk about are stuffed into a cage (10+) and do not even have enough room to move their bodies comfortably. Their beaks are seared off so that they don’t peck each other to death. They are shot up with antibiotics to prevent disease and infection from living in these overcrowded conditions. I can not imagine Christ holding up one of His chickens to the hot gun, and searing it’s beak off. There is a natural order in the world and the balance would work perfectly by God’s design–we humans are doing things to our earth that interfere with this design. To love our planet and everything in it, everything that God created, we need to consider how our actions and modern methods affect God’s perfect balance. By asking you to view this video I am asking you to consider if this is right, and what would God say if he could speak to us about it. Would he laugh and crack jokes about the beakless birds or threaten them with a coyote? We are STEWARDS of the planet, of the animals. Are we doing a good job of it? Do you think? In God’s eyes?
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You obviously know nothing about small free range farms, or coyotes for that matter. Here in Oklahoma, coyotes get hunted regularly. They are so smart and hard to hunt that some ranchers will hang one that they shot by their back feet on a fence post. One, to show off their kill and two to try and keep the pack away. A small free range farm cannot supply enough chickens or eggs to efficiently feed even a local small town. That’s why we raise them for ourselves.
 
yellowbird said:
Marfan, this exact post is on the previous page (4). Are you seeing the page numbers at the bottom? The posts aren’t going away… if you want to read the posts after a post you’ve made, click on your own profile, go to statistics, and then click on see all posts. You can click on each one individually and then read what has been posted since.
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I’m new. Having trouble navigating. Sorry for any scew-ups in posting. Sorry, Sorry. P.S. I like your name yellowbird!
 
bbarrick8383 said:
You obviously know nothing about small free range farms, or coyotes for that matter. Here in Oklahoma, coyotes get hunted regularly. They are so smart and hard to hunt that some ranchers will hang one that they shot by their back feet on a fence post. One, to show off their kill and two to try and keep the pack away. A small free range farm cannot supply enough chickens or eggs to efficiently feed even a local small town. That’s why we raise them for ourselves.
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*Why would you need to feed a small town eggs? *How did they supply eggs in Christ’s time? What did they do about the coyotes? We have small free range farms here. No coyotes here–this is not Oklahoma. Some people buy free range eggs–the farms stay in business. The vast majority of people buy the factory farmed eggs–where they sear off the chickens beaks. I don’t buy any eggs at all because they are not healthy to consume in large quantities. The fats in animal products are what clog the arteries and cause heart disease. Ask Dr. Oz. I use plums in all of my baking–no need for eggs–no cholesterol etc.
 
Leopard said:
The animals I eat are good meat.
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Do you hunt/raise them yourself? Or do you let someone else do the dirty work? If you are in control of all aspects of their rearing and slaughter then maybe you are eating good meat. If not–rethink this. If someone else is treating these animals inhumanely can you eat them in good conscience? Are you absolved of any mistreatment if you did not partake in the mistreatment, but by your purchases you enable this mistreatment to continue? This is not a joke. I implore you all TO THINK of how Christ would respond/react. This is a religious forum, is it not?
 
Marfran said:
I’m new. Having trouble navigating. Sorry for any scew-ups in posting. Sorry, Sorry. P.S. I like your name yellowbird!
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You don’t need to apologize! I feel badly for you that you’re having a hard time… that must be frustrating? Hang in there… in no time you’ll have it down.

And thanks! I like my name too! I love birds! 🙂
 
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