Animals You Eat: Bad Meat!

[Sean_Boyle]

i don’t think anyone is trying to dictate what the poor consume. but there are people poorer than you who suffer greatly just because of america’s demand for meat. worldwide 100,000 people will starve today… for a fraction of the resources it takes to raise meat for everyone’s BBQ’s, we could feed them all. so who is dictating what to the poor?

Your view on world politics is a little sophomoric. We can still feed them all. Meat has nothing to do with it.

Next point…

 

[GottaKnow]

Maybe you should try a personal sacrifice to give glory to God. God seems to be missing in this vegan sacrifice for the good of all people, spin.

Has anyone else notice it?..

For the animals, for peace, for the poor(but not really), for my health, why doesn’t God play must of a larger role in this train of thought? It’s more about what makes “me” feel good about myself.

It is all about God. I have learned to keep quiet about that part because, A) it doesn’t work with Atheists,…and B) you guys will start saying stupid stuff like “holier-than-thou” and “you think you’re better than us” and all sorts of childish nonsense. As a matter of fact, many Catholic Vegans started at Lent and stayed. I myself consider it to be in reparation for the cruel and unnecessary violence towards the helpers God gave us (and I am not alone). Genesis 2:8 Yahweh God said, ‘It is not right that the man should be alone. I shall make him a helper.’
19 So from the soil Yahweh God fashioned all the wild animals and all the birds of heaven. These he brought to the man to see what he would call them; each one was to bear the name the man would give it.

Then to back up a bit, Genesis1:29 God also said, ‘Look, to you I give all the seed-bearing plants everywhere on the surface of the earth, and all the trees with seed-bearing fruit; this will be your food.
30 And to all the wild animals, all the birds of heaven and all the living creatures that creep along the ground, I give all the foliage of the plants as their food.’ And so it was.

I don’t see anything about eating animals in there. So, it was obviously NOT HIS ORIGINAL intention.

When God finally allows eating animals He gives an exception and a warning
Genesis 9:4… with this exception: you must not eat flesh with life, that is to say blood, in it.
5 And I shall demand account of your life-blood, too. I shall demand it of every animal, and of man. Of man as regards his fellow-man, I shall demand account for human life.
Sorta sounds like he is saying,“You must account for everything you kill, animals and man.”

And even the Pope! Cardinal Ratzinger , echoing official church teachings, as laid out in the Catholic Catechism, which states clearly that “Animals are God’s creatures. He surrounds them with his providential care. By their mere existence they bless him and give him glory. Thus men owe them kindness. We should recall the gentleness with which saints like St. Francis of Assisi or St. Philip Neri treated animals. . . . It is contrary to human dignity to cause animals to suffer or die needlessly.”

Matthew 17:17Jesus replied, “You unbelieving and corrupt generation! How long must I be with you? How long must I put up with you?”:banghead:

 

[cathybramble]

Your view on world politics is a little sophomoric. We can still feed them all. Meat has nothing to do with it.

Next point…

keep repeating it to yourself, “my choices have nothing to do with what is happening in the world.” and maybe it will become true.

 

[GottaKnow]

I’ll leave it.
The poor seem to be involved in this thread whether we like it or not (mostly not.) I think telling working class families that meat should remain a luxury when we can barely afford it now is a bit over the top & patronizing. Chicken & pork raised in large scale operations remain the only affordable meats these days.
Deer hunting remains one way rural folk can provide protein to their families but animal rights groups are trying to curtail that as well.
Deermeat baloney by the way is even better tasting.

Why do I have this vision of you standing with your hands over your ears yelling, LALALALALALALALALA…I’M NOT LISTENING!!!..LALALALALALALALAL

I am about to give up…leave you to your own devices…
:banghead:

 

[Sean_Boyle]

Clearly you’ve made other choices. Your being judgemental. Nothing I’ve said, states this.

I get the sense, reading through this long thread, that people are feeling a bit defensive about eating meat. I wonder why that is? I haven’t honestly read every post, but for my own purposes, I’m just trying to have conversation.

Because some individuals have arrived at the conclusion that eating meat is wrong for everyone. It’s called elitism. No one likes it when someone tries to pass off personal opinion as gospel for everyone. Especially when there are no ground for those assertions.

 

[GottaKnow]

I believe that the phase “enjoys” describes the satisfaction of doing hard and sometimes undesirable work to bring food to the dinner table so as to nourish your family and share in the natural interaction of a family at dinner time.

Now some people don’t understand the value of hard but necessary work nor the value of having family to share a meal with. Life has become so easy to some in this country that now people must create hardships for themselves to feel alive. How crazy is that? Those people can only see the word “enjoy” as bringing pleasure to oneself. Your welcome for the eye opener.

Life is about more than what makes you happy!

Noody hunts because they HAVE TO anymore. It is considered a sport.a vacation. for a trophy of antlers, gamey meat and bragging rights. So, who is creating hardships because they (what did you say?) Life has become so easy to some in this country that now people must create hardships for themselves to feel alive. How crazy is that? Those people can only see the word “enjoy” as bringing pleasure to oneself. Your welcome for the eye opener.

Does anyone else see the irony here?

 

[Michaeljc4]

Because some individuals have arrived at the conclusion that eating meat is wrong for everyone. It’s called elitism. No one likes it when someone tries to pass off personal opinion as gospel for everyone. Especially when there are no ground for those assertions.

Again, Sean, show me a specific example of a groundless assertion.

If, in writing back and forth to you and Cracker Mom, I’ve made you angry somehow, I apologize. That wasn’t my intention. For myself, giving up meat has been a great way to practice a spiritual discipline, and–in a small sense–make the world a slightly better place. There are a lot of good reasons to stop eating factory farmed meat. I hope you’ll give it some thought.

That’s all, dude.

 

[cathybramble]

Because some individuals have arrived at the conclusion that eating meat is wrong for everyone. It’s called elitism. No one likes it when someone tries to pass off personal opinion as gospel for everyone. Especially when there are no ground for those assertions.

i think what we’ve said is that eating factory farmed meat is wrong for everyone. and so it is. why? because it creates disease and ruins common resources and exploits the poorest workers. it destroys ethical farming communities and sickens people wherever it goes. that is plenty of ground in my book. it’s like i said about smoking - if you want to pollute your lungs, that is your choice, but it is not your right or option to pollute everyone else’s.

 

[Cracker_Mom]

Why do I have this vision of you standing with your hands over your ears yelling, LALALALALALALALALA…I’M NOT LISTENING!!!..LALALALALALALALAL

I am about to give up…leave you to your own devices…
:banghead:

Didn’t ever hold much re. visions.
Appreciate it. I’ll be heading home to my own devices soon to make crackling bread & turnip greens with tasty smoked neckbones…

 

[Cracker_Mom]

i think what we’ve said is that eating factory farmed meat is wrong for everyone. and so it is. why? because it creates disease and ruins common resources and exploits the poorest workers. it destroys ethical farming communities and sickens people wherever it goes. that is plenty of ground in my book. it’s like i said about smoking - if you want to pollute your lungs, that is your choice, but it is not your right or option to pollute everyone else’s.

We know folks who work in the poultry industry & are glad to have jobs.
Also have Mennonite friends with poultry houses. They’re fine Christian people & in good health.What’s unethical?
I hear elitism, too.

 

[GottaKnow]

I hear elitism, too.

Elitism. Same old crybaby nonsense. “Holier than thou”, “you think you’re better than us”,… blahblahblah.
Same cry of the alcoholic and the cigarette smoker and the drug addict and the criminal,…

and now the meat addict.
Of the Flesh, for the flesh and by the flesh.

 

[cathybramble]

We know folks who work in the poultry industry & are glad to have jobs.
Also have Mennonite friends with poultry houses. They’re fine Christian people & in good health.What’s unethical?
I hear elitism, too.

please research factory farming so that you can hear what is being said instead of crying “elitism.” until you do, there is no sense in trying to explain the problems to you - you need to see the truth for yourself or you will forever accuse everyone else of being unfair, or deny that the problems even exist.

 

[Cracker_Mom]

Noody hunts because they HAVE TO anymore. It is considered a sport.a vacation. for a trophy of antlers, gamey meat and bragging rights. So, who is creating hardships because they (what did you say?) Life has become so easy to some in this country that now people must create hardships for themselves to feel alive. How crazy is that? Those people can only see the word “enjoy” as bringing pleasure to oneself. Your welcome for the eye opener.

Does anyone else see the irony here?

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Hunting still provides a good source of healthy protein for many families.Especially these days.
Some of you all may live in a different social/economic sphere & can’t relate to folks providing game meat for the dinner table.
Deermeat doesn’t have to be gamey. Squirrel’s good, too.Ditto for wild turkey.I’ve got some good recipes for those interested.

 

[Cracker_Mom]

please research factory farming so that you can hear what is being said instead of crying “elitism.” until you do, there is no sense in trying to explain the problems to you - you need to see the truth for yourself or you will forever accuse everyone else of being unfair, or deny that the problems even exist.

We lived just down the road from some poultry houses. Been there.Lived there.And got the finished product from the food bank. Wild turkey tastes better but involves way more work.

 

[Cracker_Mom]

Elitism. Same old crybaby nonsense. “Holier than thou”, “you think you’re better than us”,… blahblahblah.
Same cry of the alcoholic and the cigarette smoker and the drug addict and the criminal,…

and now the meat addict.
Of the Flesh, for the flesh and by the flesh.

Admit it, you work for Smithfield…

 

[distracted]

.And nobody makes the connection.Instead, we fool ourselves into thinking that we are making humane choices,failing to recognize what hypocrites we really are. Modern farms are nothing like the pictures in your kids’ books or on TV.And there are many wrong ideas about the practices and principles of a “humane” operation.The nasty process of turning live animals into ground-up chunks of flesh begins as the animals are babies and then they are sent to slaughter, in spite of whether they are raised
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unless you type about 100 words per minut (rare), you just spent about 1/2 hour or so going on and on about something that very few people here care about (my guess).

Are you willing to spend 30 minutes fighting for the unborn some way or another?

are human beings more important than animals to you??

maybe you could post the details of how an abortion is done? (rhetorical question…)

animals do not react to the conditions you mention in the same way as humans…

but that’s rather irrelevent to me because as previous poster said, animals are put here to be used by man…

and from all i have studied about nutrtion, a meat-based diet is healthiest… (if not done to excess)

 

[cathybramble]

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Hunting still provides a good source of healthy protein for many families.Especially these days.

textured vegetable protein can provide a good source of healthy protein too, probably for considerably less than you pay to buy ammo, hunting license, put gas in the car, and hunt some animal.

and ya know, i have nothing personally against hunters except for the strange thrill they get from causing death, seeing the blood and gore, the power trip they get from taking a life… i was raised with it, it’s not an alien thing to me. but if i don’t have to kill a creature in order to be healthy, then it’s needless suffering and death - i prefer to avoid it.

Some of you all may live in a different social/economic sphere & can’t relate to folks providing game meat for the dinner table.
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i’m a single mom and struggle to get by too, i am not an elitist by any stretch of the imagination so let’s just please drop that whole line of thinking.

 

[distracted]

This is not consistent with what the Catholic Church teaches. Being a vegetarian falls into the area of prudential judgment. To claim that eating meat, which Christ Himself did, is somehow evil is utterly ridiculous.

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not to mention unhealthy… of all the people i’ve studied who lived beyond 110 yrs of age, NONE was vegetarian…

the vegetarians i know of all seem to die before they are 65… a lot of them die of cancer…

 

[distracted]

Again, Sean, show me a specific example of a groundless assertion.

If, in writing back and forth to you and Cracker Mom, I’ve made you angry somehow, I apologize. That wasn’t my intention. For myself, giving up meat has been a great way to practice a spiritual discipline, and–in a small sense–make the world a slightly better place. There are a lot of good reasons to stop eating factory farmed meat. I hope you’ll give it some thought.

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i feel strongly that the good outweighs the bad (of eating this kind of meat, if that’s all one has access to) a meatless diet (for life) is UNHEALTHY… I have studied this thing almost to death…

Jesus ate meat… He never told the Apostles or anyone else to write down in the Bible that eating meat is no longer desirable…

in fact he said that it is what comes out of our mouths that defiles us…

 

[distracted]

i think what we’ve said is that eating factory farmed meat is wrong for everyone. and so it is. why? because it creates disease and ruins common resources and exploits the poorest workers. it destroys ethical farming communities and sickens people wherever it goes. that is plenty of ground in my book. it’s like i said about smoking - if you want to pollute your lungs, that is your choice, but it is not your right or option to pollute everyone else’s.

if meat sickens a person, i should not only be sick right now, i should be DEAD…