Animals You Eat: Bad Meat!

[Marfran]

Eeeeehh!? But I waz born diz way!! D8 p)

So you’re not making me eat veggies!! X3
(Unless you put them in Chinese food such as fried rice, noodles etc… and those foods have tons of meat that just purifies the greenie bitterness )

Do you need a lift?? Or do you have your own ride home???

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

We make Chinese food with tofu, and I’ve learned a so much about vegan cooking from my Chinese friends who have taught me about ‘wheat meat’ — made with wheat gluten - so, I am sure you can learn too!

Well tofu isn’t the only Chinese dish out there. You have stuff like dimsum, wonton noodles, meat pao (over here we call them siopao ). I read that the Cantonese tradition of Chinese cuisine is very heavy with using meat.

I am not really sure why you are posting on this forum (and in such a confusing way) the point of this was to discuss the way animals are raised for food, perhaps you didn’t understand that. I would suggest you go back to the original post and watch the video - if you have something to contribute based upon that please do.

Well for one, the link’s been busted. Two, a fair number of posts seem to have been done with humor so why can’t I?

But you know, I really can’t stand the taste of most vegetables (or at least the way some people cook them) just as some people can’t stand the taste of sweets. That’s just how it is. When it comes to food, my logic is simple. If it smells good, and furthermore tastes good, then it’s bon appetit, itadakimasu, or simply: DIG IN!! >8D

I can’t really care much for how animals are raised purely because I’m not an animal person (at least as far as real animals go anyways ). As long as farms don’t do anything crazy like raise them near toxic, nuclear power plants, then I’m content to chomp away whatever meat that ends up on my plate.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Do you need a lift?? Or do you have your own ride home???

Heh! You’ll have to catch me first. Or better yet, gimme some… incentive.

 

[Marfran]

please view the *you tube *video *Animals You Eat: Bad Meat! *and explain to me how Catholics can be a part of this. This planet and all creatures in it are gifts from God. When we abuse animals, when we partake in pollution, when we degrade the planet/environment, we disrespect God. My Catholic Church speaks of respect for life–but we must respect ALL of life, ALL of God’s gifts, all of God’s creation. Catholics must stand up for the repect of ALL of life, ALL that God has created–we are the stewards of the planet. Watch this video and you will not feel like a steward–you will feel the tarnish, you will feel God’s disapproval.

**OK, we are officially back on track!!! Humor is allowed but only on Friday nights!!! All posts to follow will respond to the topic in question, and will be worded respectfully. Efforts to hijack the thread will be reported. **

 

[4elise]

Well tofu isn’t the only Chinese dish out there. You have stuff like dimsum, wonton noodles, meat pao (over here we call them siopao ). I read that the Cantonese tradition of Chinese cuisine is very heavy with using meat.

Well for one, the link’s been busted. Two, a fair number of posts seem to have been done with humor so why can’t I?

Oh… this was supposed to be funny?

But you know, I really can’t stand the taste of most vegetables (or at least the way some people cook them) just as some people can’t stand the taste of sweets. That’s just how it is. When it comes to food, my logic is simple. If it smells good, and furthermore tastes good, then it’s bon appetit, itadakimasu, or simply: DIG IN!! >8D

I can’t really care much for how animals are raised purely because I’m not an animal person (at least as far as real animals go anyways ). As long as farms don’t do anything crazy like raise them near toxic, nuclear power plants, then I’m content to chomp away whatever meat that ends up on my plate.

So - if that link didn’t work - I would suggest that you look into factory farming - since that is the reason for the post - am sure you will find plenty of information if you want to really contribute to the discussion.
ens-newswire.com/ens/apr2003/2003-04-22-10.asp - this article addresses how factory farming - not only in the US - are having a negative impact -

when you look at your plate that contains chicken, pork, beef, it came from a living animal - some of those living animals have not been cared for as part of God’s creation but as a commodity ---- Catholics are called to be people of faith, counter cultural light of the world - speaking out for all of God’s creation is something to be very proud of…

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Oh… this was supposed to be funny?

It is for me, especially when people who disagree don’t like it and can’t make a comeback.

So - if that link didn’t work - I would suggest that you look into factory farming - since that is the reason for the post - am sure you will find plenty of information if you want to really contribute to the discussion.
ens-newswire.com/ens/apr2003/2003-04-22-10.asp - this article addresses how factory farming - not only in the US - are having a negative impact -

when you look at your plate that contains chicken, pork, beef, it came from a living animal - some of those living animals have not been cared for as part of God’s creation but as a commodity ---- Catholics are called to be people of faith, counter cultural light of the world - speaking out for all of God’s creation is something to be very proud of…

Look I’ve seen enough of how animals gets slaughtered but as cold-hearted I may seem to you, I don’t feel sorry for them. Last time I saw a documentary in a slaughterhouse over here, I felt more sorry for the child laborers those people used.

Also, you forget that God gave man dominion over all creation. We are called to take care of it, but it doesn’t mean we can’t utilize or exploit its resources. There’s a difference between a kid taking care of his toy yet still plays with it and an obsessed geek who doesn’t even take the same toy out of its box for fear of damaging it.

 

[thevickinator16]

Hello everyone!

I know this thread has become longer so I want to restate the Catheschism’s stand on treatment of animals, period.

In paragraph 2418 it states:

It is contrary to human dignity to cause animals to suffer or die needlessly. It is likewise unworthy to spend money on them that should as a priorty go to the relief of human misery. One can love anuimals; one should not direct to them the affection due only to persons.

The first statement is all we are talking about. Sure would hate to be the person who rasies animals in such a cruel fashion only to make money. I don’t think it is just about animal activists or PETA, it is about morality. It would be ashamed to be inhumane to animals on this earth and to find yourself in the same boat in Hell, possibly.

The paragraph before (2417) states:
“God entrusted animals to the stewardship of those whom He created in His own image.” Hmm…

WE are responsible for everything on this planet. Stewardship extends beyond the church proper. This is it in a nutshell.

God Bless!

 

[Marfran]

as cold-hearted I may seem to you, I don’t feel sorry for them. Last time I saw a documentary in a slaughterhouse over here, I felt more sorry for the child laborers those people used

Absolutely!!! Humans working in these conditions, in addition to the animals themselves, are harmed and impacted negatively.

 

[4elise]

It is for me, especially when people who disagree don’t like it and can’t make a comeback.

Look I’ve seen enough of how animals gets slaughtered but as cold-hearted I may seem to you, I don’t feel sorry for them. Last time I saw a documentary in a slaughterhouse over here, I felt more sorry for the child laborers those people used.

Also, you forget that God gave man dominion over all creation. We are called to take care of it, but it doesn’t mean we can’t utilize or exploit its resources. There’s a difference between a kid taking care of his toy yet still plays with it and an obsessed geek who doesn’t even take the same toy out of its box for fear of damaging it.

It isn’t just ‘how animals gets slaughtered’ but how they are cared for before that. And I completely agree that the child laborers are people we need to be speaking out for - **so when you consume the meat that was raised using child labor, aren’t you contributing to that practice? **

While the Bible describes Adam’s “dominion” over animals (Gen. 1:26, 28), we believe “dominion” here conveys sacred stewardship, since God immediately afterward prescribed a vegetarian diet (Gen. 1:29–30) in a world God found “very good” (1:31). Genesis 2:18–19 relates, “Then the Lord God said, ‘It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him’” and God then created animals. This passage indicates that animals were made as Adam’s companions and helpers, not his food. (taken from chai.org.il/en/compassion/christianity/heritage_christianity2.htm)

 

[Marfran]

Hello everyone!

I know this thread has become longer so I want to restate the Catheschism’s stand on treatment of animals, period.

In paragraph 2418 it states:

It is contrary to human dignity to cause animals to suffer or die needlessly. It is likewise unworthy to spend money on them that should as a priorty go to the relief of human misery. One can love anuimals; one should not direct to them the affection due only to persons.

The first statement is all we are talking about. Sure would hate to be the person who rasies animals in such a cruel fashion only to make money. I don’t think it is just about animal activists or PETA, it is about morality. It would be ashamed to be inhumane to animals on this earth and to find yourself in the same boat in Hell, possibly.

The paragraph before (2417) states:
“God entrusted animals to the stewardship of those whom He created in His own image.” Hmm…

WE are responsible for everything on this planet. Stewardship extends beyond the church proper. This is it in a nutshell.

God Bless!

:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:

**And she used a biodegradable nutshell instead of a plastic container or a leather shoe!!!**Great post thevickinator16!!!

 

[4elise]

Hello everyone!

I know this thread has become longer so I want to restate the Catheschism’s stand on treatment of animals, period.

In paragraph 2418 it states:

It is contrary to human dignity to cause animals to suffer or die needlessly. It is likewise unworthy to spend money on them that should as a priorty go to the relief of human misery. One can love anuimals; one should not direct to them the affection due only to persons.

The first statement is all we are talking about. Sure would hate to be the person who rasies animals in such a cruel fashion only to make money. I don’t think it is just about animal activists or PETA, it is about morality. It would be ashamed to be inhumane to animals on this earth and to find yourself in the same boat in Hell, possibly.

The paragraph before (2417) states:
“God entrusted animals to the stewardship of those whom He created in His own image.” Hmm…

WE are responsible for everything on this planet. Stewardship extends beyond the church proper. This is it in a nutshell.

God Bless!

Thank you!!
There is so much beauty in the teaching of our Church - thank you so much for posting this - I hope that as Catholics we can speak for the poor, and feel compelled to speak out for ALL of God’s creation!!

 

[Marfran]

And I completely agree that the child laborers are people we need to be speaking out for - **so when you consume the meat that was raised using child labor, aren’t you contributing to that practice? **

Lost W??? Got a reply?

 

[4elise]

Lost W??? Got a reply?

Maybe they are waiting for humor since that is what they use when someone doesn’t have a ‘comeback’ according to their prior post?

Sadly there is nothing funny about child labor.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

It isn’t just ‘how animals gets slaughtered’ but how they are cared for before that. And I completely agree that the child laborers are people we need to be speaking out for - **so when you consume the meat that was raised using child labor, aren’t you contributing to that practice? **

That’s quite a stretch. Not all slaughterhouses use child labor. Heck let’s take this even further, how do you know your neighborhood wasn’t once an American Indian burial ground?

While the Bible describes Adam’s “dominion” over animals (Gen. 1:26, 28), we believe “dominion” here conveys sacred stewardship, since God immediately afterward prescribed a vegetarian diet (Gen. 1:29–30) in a world God found “very good” (1:31). Genesis 2:18–19 relates, “Then the Lord God said, ‘It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him’” and God then created animals. This passage indicates that animals were made as Adam’s companions and helpers, not his food. (taken from chai.org.il/en/compassion/christianity/heritage_christianity2.htm)

Then explain to me why meat tastes good, why it’s been part of the human diet for centuries, and why chickens are otherwise the most useless birds in the animal kingdom if not for their role in my breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I’m all for quoting Bible verses but make sure your interpretations of them are compatible with reality.

I can see where people can use cows for plowing and milk but I can’t say the same for the likes of pigs, chickens, turkeys, lobsters, crabs etc. And if you’re going to suggest using them as pets, not everybody’s a pet person (including me). Pigs rival skunks on my list of smelliest animals in the world and the only fun I get out of chickens is by scaring the bejeezus out of 'em. That’s why I call 'em CHICKENS!! Bukbukbukbuk!!

 

[DanteAlighieri]

False dilemma: One does not preclude the other. Being Catholic means that one can be passionate about a number of things, from abortion to cruelty to animals to felt banners in church.

Oh, and for the record, I am neither vegan nor vegetarian. But this thread is about what it is about.

Not my point. I am not suggesting that a Catholic can only be passionate about one thing; I’m suggesting that being as passionate about “animal rights” as one ought to be about the rights of the unborn is improper. See below.

so… your suggestion is that abortion is the ONLY thing that we should be passionate about?

So every other fourm on CAF should then be shut down, now more discussions about anything else?

Again, not my point – and you’re both committing a logical error and putting words in my mouth.

My point is that, as I just said to Ghoti, the plight of the unborn is a far more grievous evil that deserves more of our attention, effort, and passion than a supposed plight of animals who are killed for the good of providing food for humanity. I will quote the Catechism again:

2417 God entrusted animals to the stewardship of those whom he created in his own image.198 Hence it is legitimate to use animals for food and clothing. They may be domesticated to help man in his work and leisure. Medical and scientific experimentation on animals is a morally acceptable practice if it remains within reasonable limits and contributes to caring for or saving human lives.

2418 It is contrary to human dignity to cause animals to suffer or die needlessly. It is likewise unworthy to spend money on them that should as a priority go to the relief of human misery. One can love animals; one should not direct to them the affection due only to persons.

Let me summarize:

1. It is acceptable to kill animals for food – and there is no stipulation on the need to do so in developed countries, as there is with the death penalty, for instance.
2. It is acceptable to use animals for experiments that are intended to help or save human lives and is conducted reasonably.
3. It is “unworthy to spend money on [animals] that should as a priority go to the relief of human misery”.
4. It is inappropriate to “direct to [animals] the affection due only to persons”.

So, while the Church teaches that it is “contrary to human dignity” to mistreat animals or cause them unneeded suffering, she also makes it clear that we are not to divert resources or passion to animals and their well-being that ought to be used for the well-being of humans, whose dignity is far above that of animals.

Peace,
Dante

EDIT:
4elise:

While the Bible describes Adam’s “dominion” over animals (Gen. 1:26, 28), we believe “dominion” here conveys sacred stewardship, since God immediately afterward prescribed a vegetarian diet (Gen. 1:29–30) in a world God found “very good” (1:31). Genesis 2:18–19 relates, “Then the Lord God said, ‘It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him’” and God then created animals. This passage indicates that animals were made as Adam’s companions and helpers, not his food. (taken from chai.org.il/en/compassion…istianity2.htm)

This is the very definition of choosing a private interpretation of Scripture over that of the Church, whose instructions do not include a requirement to avoid eating animals.

 

[Marfran]

Lost Wanderer: You brought up the child labor so you should see that thought through.

 

[That_one_guy]

It doesn’t at all! 8D
I am just simply proclaiming how my tongue reacts to plain vegetables. Which is…

“BLAARRRGGGHH!!! XP”

Well, thanks for that…

 

[Marfran]

Not my point. I am not suggesting that a Catholic can only be passionate about one thing; I’m suggesting that being as passionate about “animal rights” as one ought to be about the rights of the unborn is improper. See below.

Again, not my point – and you’re both committing a logical error and putting words in my mouth.

My point is that, as I just said to Ghoti, the plight of the unborn is a far more grievous evil that deserves more of our attention, effort, and passion than a supposed plight of animals who are killed for the good of providing food for humanity. I will quote the Catechism again:

Let me summarize:

1. It is acceptable to kill animals for food – and there is no stipulation on the need to do so in developed countries, as there is with the death penalty, for instance.
2. It is acceptable to use animals for experiments that are intended to help or save human lives and is conducted reasonably.
3. It is “unworthy to spend money on [animals] that should as a priority go to the relief of human misery”.
4. It is inappropriate to “direct to [animals] the affection due only to persons”.

So, while the Church teaches that it is “contrary to human dignity” to mistreat animals or cause them unneeded suffering, she also makes it clear that we are not to divert resources or passion to animals and their well-being that ought to be used for the well-being of humans, whose dignity is far above that of animals.

Peace,
Dante

Peace to you Dante. I think that most, if not all posters in this thread are PRO-LIFE anti-abortion. Please reference any posting where someone has stated that animal “rights” take presidence over human rights. I don’t think that anyone here has said that.

 

[That_one_guy]

With all due respect, if one is going to get as passionate about an issue as I see some folks getting on this thread, I think it’s far more appropriate for that issue to be abortion, don’t you?
Peace,
Dante
PS: forgive me if the above CCC quotes have already been introduced.

It is quite alright. We are well aware of the CCC.
I have to admit i am beginning to feel like a broken record.As the following has been said before over and over and over and over and overand overand overand over and over…

Oh come on Ed! When you put it that way it almost sounds as if you are morally superior to us! But, the truth be known, we have more on our plate than you do, Because we care not only about the unborn, but the humane treatment of animals and global warming and diseases from factory farms and all that stuff.
Being Vegan and pro life makes us a very unique niche!
But, hey! Thanks for preaching at us!

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Lost Wanderer: You brought up the child labor so you should see that thought through.

Way to support twisting my words beyond context.