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If you want something really confusing to watch, “Dattebayo” (a group on the internet that provides free English subtitles on certain anime) has recently started work on an anime called “07-Ghost”.

So far there are fewer than 10 episodes, but prominently featured is a sort of religion loosely based on Catholicism. The protagonist lives in something akin to a renaissançe Cathedral town. There are fully habited nuns everywhere (all young and attractive, with mild manners and attractive voices) as well as oddly dressed “bishops”. Instead of mitres they where a cube-shaped hat with a thin veil over the face.

For all intents and purposes they’re closest to “priests”, but because they where that sort of not-mitre they’re bishops (Japanese “shikyoh” 司教). They celebrate “mass” (Japanese “misa” ミサ from Latin Missa). They even have an old, scarred archbishop (“daishikyoh” 大司教) and an organ… played by a mermaid-nun.

But they worship an as-yet indeterminate god who looks like the grim reaper. He is a skeleton in what appears to be a Benedictine habit, carrying a scythe. The cathedral town is defended by seven “ghosts” (also called “angels”) who look the same.

One of the bishops changes into a stylised cassock (with typical Japanese embellishments) and fights “kors” (demons) with… a giant scythe.

I am not sure if I am enjoying this anime yet. I am intrigued by the story, but as a Catholic (and a Dominican) I think I am more fascinated by the use of obviously Catholic stereotypes in Japanese media - a society whose social fabric is not fundamentally Christian, but animistic-pagan.
The Japanese, in a gross generalization, are as fascinated with such “western” bits and pieces of culture/religion as Americans are with Asian culture/religion, perhaps more.

Just as we, Westerners, who can’t tell an image of Avalokitesvara from a Green Tara, many many many Japanese/Chinese/etc. confuse Jesus Christ with Santa Clause!

I believe the vast majority don’t mean anything mean spirited about it, they just treat Catholicism/Christianity as a sort of novelty much in the same way Western media features Eastern religions. To illustrate my point, go see Neon Genesis Evangelion. The creator used and mashed up Christian imagery and terms to express his horribly depressed self (he had a bout of severe depression and was dealing with many issues while writing the series). He has stated, I’ve heard, that all the symbolism, names, imagary, etc. don’t have any real relation to Christianity, just that he liked it.

Now, I don’t agree with a couple previous posts that everyone needs to keep a 10 foot distance from series such as Bleach at all times. It’s about as harmful, in my semi-otaku opinion, as Ghostbusters (why won’t Bill Murray go ahead and make a sequel. Why, Lord, why?). With any media, don’t let it turn it into some sort of obsession.

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I **DO **understand, however, that most anime/manga featuring nuns and/or priests usually end up in the gutter…if they didn’t start there to begin with…yeah, some pretty gross stuff out there.

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*Trinity Blood *features an imaginary Catholic Church, an imaginary vampire priest, an imaginary teenage-emo pope, an imaginary gun toting nun who would like to be on friendlier terms with aforementioned vampire priest, and I do not endorse, in any fashion, such a horribly written anime voice dubbed by otherwise talented actors.:rolleyes:
 
I SO hear you about NGE!!!

The best thing about that series was the opening song. 😛

Even in my all-time favorite series (Yuu Yuu Hakusho, see my siggy line!), Koenma performs the sign of the Cross—and does it wrong.
 
Sabriner, don’t be afraid to share your opinion. Don’t hedge it with “I’m not saying, I’m just saying” or retreat with “I just think…”

We’re all here to learn more from one another, and share what we ourselves have learned. =)
thank you for that, for both a place to learn and share, and also a reality check!
 
Astounding. I’ve never considered this before.

I started watching 新世紀エヴァンゲリオン (Neon Genesis Evangelion) when I was about 14. This would be roughly one year after I started learning Japanese at school, and one year before I started getting properly interested in the Faith (typical Cradle Catholic kid, can’t even remember my first communion - except that it was a couple of years late).

Evangelion, with its references to God, angels, sin and relationships, may have actually had something to do with that tiny spark. Probably not a big role, but hey.

Thanks for bringing that up.

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As for the Christianity of Full Metal Alchemist… I hesitate to agree. My first impression was at how unchristian it was, at least to start with. I watch all my anime in Japanese (with English subtitles to help me limp through technical terms, like “alchemy”) so perhaps my understanding differed from yours. I noticed distinctly the way the characters disparaged the supernatural (sometimes directly, usually indirectly) while declaring alchemy to be a thoroughly respectable science. Then they immediately go on to describe an alchemical method which is indistinct from pagan mysticism.

I expected that if they were going to call alchemy a science, then they would at least engage in some science fiction. Instead, alchemy was just “magic called science”. Later in the series I did notice some rather pro-life elements, though what I think to be the Japanese understanding of these scenes prevents me from embracing that view.
 
greetings. I was wondering if someone could lead me to get some answers on this Japanese Bleach cartoons. I have a 16 year old and a 12 year old that watch them and I need to know if it going to have a detrimental affect on their fatih walk?
I say just keep an eye on the younger one and make sure both of them are educated and mature enough to tell fantasy from reality. You might also want to keep an eye out if they start doing stuff like writing fanfiction, drawing fanart, or better yet start dressing up like the characters even though it’s not Halloween. 😛

That’s usually a sign that they’re becoming members of the otaku community and that you’ll have start learning more about the anime culture. (And in that case I say, “Welcome!” :whacky:)

P.S.

Beware though of the yaoi fangirls that make up a fair portion of the Bleach fandom. :rolleyes:
 
I am not sure if I am enjoying this anime yet. I am intrigued by the story, but as a Catholic (and a Dominican) I think I am more fascinated by the use of obviously Catholic stereotypes in Japanese media - a society whose social fabric is not fundamentally Christian, but animistic-pagan.
Personally, I kinda like it that way. It may not be 100% in line with the real thing but at least they present these Catholic elements in a positive light which is a huge relief from the trashy anti-Catholic/anti-religious themes I’ve seen running rampant on western sitcoms/movies. :rolleyes:
 
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As for the Christianity of Full Metal Alchemist… I hesitate to agree. My first impression was at how unchristian it was, at least to start with. I watch all my anime in Japanese (with English subtitles to help me limp through technical terms, like “alchemy”) so perhaps my understanding differed from yours. I noticed distinctly the way the characters disparaged the supernatural (sometimes directly, usually indirectly) while declaring alchemy to be a thoroughly respectable science. Then they immediately go on to describe an alchemical method which is indistinct from pagan mysticism.

I expected that if they were going to call alchemy a science, then they would at least engage in some science fiction. Instead, alchemy was just “magic called science”. Later in the series I did notice some rather pro-life elements, though what I think to be the Japanese understanding of these scenes prevents me from embracing that view.
Ahh, no, actually that’s just window-dressing. FMA is completely Catholic; follow Ed’s track from arrogance to humility, and Al’s insistence that no lives be taken, even the terrorist Scar’s, who is eventually redeemed by Al’s kindness.

There is fairly deep stuff going on about the nature of sin, and of the longing to possess a soul. FMA (in spite of a couple of ‘tolerance’ speeches clearly shoehorned in there by whomever was responsible) shows a clear dividing line between good and evil and if you stay until the end you will see what happens when a society turns away from Christ.

Love, sacrifice, redemption. If I said any more I’d be giving away half my book!

I’m also thinking of doing a youth program at my parish: What’s So Catholic About Demons And Monsters?
 
I say just keep an eye on the younger one and make sure both of them are educated and mature enough to tell fantasy from reality. You might also want to keep an eye out if they start doing stuff like writing fanfiction, drawing fanart, or better yet start dressing up like the characters even though it’s not Halloween. 😛

That’s usually a sign that they’re becoming members of the otaku community and that you’ll have start learning more about the anime culture. (And in that case I say, “Welcome!” :whacky:)

P.S.

Beware though of the yaoi fangirls that make up a fair portion of the Bleach fandom. :rolleyes:
Otaku: A horribly misapplied word which we needn’t go into here, lest we confuse the OP. Let a quote from “The Princess Bride” suffice: “I don’t think that word means what you think it means”.

FMA: What is this book, and where can I read it? As for Catholicism, what you’ve said about the themes of the series is true, but they don’t strike me as uniquely Catholic. All of the above also seem to be consistent with the present “spiritual landscape” of Japan. Arrogance is hammered out in place of humility and conformity, militarism and warfare are horrors to be abandoned, children maintain an admirable innocence - which is lost with age (as we see between the two brothers). I recall no appeal to natural law or a divine order, though I am interested in being convinced.
 
Otaku: A horribly misapplied word which we needn’t go into here, lest we confuse the OP. Let a quote from “The Princess Bride” suffice: “I don’t think that word means what you think it means”.
Actually I think the term has become wholly redefined (especially if we’re talking about the context of which it is spoken). I am very well aware of how negative this word is when spoken within the modern Japanese society. Regardless, it’s being used all the time outside it by foreign anime enthusiasts such as myself. It kinda gets hard trying to find something else to call it when it doesn’t receive the same backlash in other countries (besides, I hate attempting at political correctness). :\
 
Otaku: A horribly misapplied word which we needn’t go into here, lest we confuse the OP. Let a quote from “The Princess Bride” suffice: “I don’t think that word means what you think it means”.

FMA: What is this book, and where can I read it? As for Catholicism, what you’ve said about the themes of the series is true, but they don’t strike me as uniquely Catholic. All of the above also seem to be consistent with the present “spiritual landscape” of Japan. Arrogance is hammered out in place of humility and conformity, militarism and warfare are horrors to be abandoned, children maintain an admirable innocence - which is lost with age (as we see between the two brothers). I recall no appeal to natural law or a divine order, though I am interested in being convinced.
Actually one of the things I really admired about FMA is that it did not demonize ALL military people—there were good and decent soldiers such as Hawkeye, Hughes, and Mustang (along with his whole crew)—the real horrors were perpetuated by homunculi in their hunger for human sacrifice.

I am by no means a pacifist.

Arrogance is not hammered out of Ed. No one and nothing could do that to such a strong personality but God. God led him through a wondrous journey of love and sacrifice and through this miracle he is utterly changed by the end of the series.

Izumi makes some reference to what happens when divine law is broken—in fact all characters do. That is why human transmutation is the ultimate taboo.

As for the book, it’s still in the works. Cannot say more. I have, however, written in Gilbert magazine about anime and Catholicism, which may continue now and then.

I also belileve the literal meaning of otaku is: your home. And that it’s sometimes considered a put-down in Japan. Here, we take it differently.
 
Actually one of the things I really admired about FMA is that it did not demonize ALL military people—there were good and decent soldiers such as Hawkeye, Hughes, and Mustang (along with his whole crew)—the real horrors were perpetuated by homunculi in their hunger for human sacrifice.

I am by no means a pacifist.
And I am no militarist. I just thought I’d point out that the Japanese typically have a much more extreme anti-military position than the US and Australia (from where I come). You’re right to point out the more three-dimensional characters for their virtue, which I have to admit I’d forgotten. They did still strike me as starting off starkly utilitarian, and only developing into virtue. Perhaps that’s an even stronger argument for your case?
Arrogance is not hammered out of Ed. No one and nothing could do that to such a strong personality but God. God led him through a wondrous journey of love and sacrifice and through this miracle he is utterly changed by the end of the series.
But in the Japanese context this makes no sense. From the perspective of the target audience, there is no one God who does this. Furthermore, arrogance didn’t have to be hammered out of Ed (in the way it is for real-world Japanese) as long as the vice of arrogance is shown to make way for the virtue of humility. The means are not as memorable as the message, which is that good Japanese suffer for arrogance and are rewarded for humility.
Izumi makes some reference to what happens when divine law is broken—in fact all characters do. That is why human transmutation is the ultimate taboo.
Couldn’t this just as easily be the “cosmic law”, especially in Japanese? It’s certainly not Divine Law as understood by Augustine and Aquinas.
As for the book, it’s still in the works. Cannot say more. I have, however, written in Gilbert magazine about anime and Catholicism, which may continue now and then.
I am unfamiliar with Gilbert Magazine, but I look forward to this book of yours. It’s a topic which has increasingly arrested my interest, and I’m glad that there are others about who have managed to do the heavy lifting!
I also belileve the literal meaning of otaku is: your home. And that it’s sometimes considered a put-down in Japan. Here, we take it differently.
Its general use is honorific, it means someone else’s home (when speaking to someone of superior status). A particularly Japanese quirk is that the meaning of honorific terms is sometimes warped in colloquial speech: The personal pronoun “boku” (males use it to say “I” or “me”) actually means “servant”, but is often considered impolite when speaking to a superior. Likewise, “otaku” in the context we’re discussing describes someone who does not leave their own home, but is consumed with a childish obsession.

There are no Japanese who take pride in being called otaku, even if they freely admit to the criteria. Furthermore, no otaku wants to be one forever. They all expect, sooner or later, to lay their collections aside and find a job, a girl, a house of their own.

This is why when foreigners (not just Americans) show up in Japan calling themselves “otaku”, they only give us a worse image than we already have. They gladly and needlessly adopt a mantle of shame and derision, never realising that they do so. It does no service to encourage the use of the term outside Japan, claiming a “redefinition”. I think the easiest (and least innocuous) substitute would be “enthusiast”.

I consider an interest in manga, anime, and/or video games to be no different to an interest in movies, photography, novels, or astronomy. It is an enthusiasm. Of course, unlike the etymology and semantics of お宅 “otaku”, that’s a mere matter of taste. =)
 
Its general use is honorific, it means someone else’s home (when speaking to someone of superior status). A particularly Japanese quirk is that the meaning of honorific terms is sometimes warped in colloquial speech: The personal pronoun “boku” (males use it to say “I” or “me”) actually means “servant”, but is often considered impolite when speaking to a superior. Likewise, “otaku” in the context we’re discussing describes someone who does not leave their own home, but is consumed with a childish obsession.

There are no Japanese who take pride in being called otaku, even if they freely admit to the criteria. Furthermore, no otaku wants to be one forever. They all expect, sooner or later, to lay their collections aside and find a job, a girl, a house of their own.

This is why when foreigners (not just Americans) show up in Japan calling themselves “otaku”, they only give us a worse image than we already have. They gladly and needlessly adopt a mantle of shame and derision, never realising that they do so. It does no service to encourage the use of the term outside Japan, claiming a “redefinition”. I think the easiest (and least innocuous) substitute would be “enthusiast”.

I consider an interest in manga, anime, and/or video games to be no different to an interest in movies, photography, novels, or astronomy. It is an enthusiasm. Of course, unlike the etymology and semantics of お宅 “otaku”, that’s a mere matter of taste. =)
I suppose we do need to educate/warn each other more about using the word when we’re in Japan. If I recall correctly, there was an alternative to the foreign concept of the word otaku when speaking Japanese. (What was it called again, mania or something? 🤷)

But for those of us who use the word otaku in English speaking conversations, replacing it with ‘enthusiast’ just doesn’t cut it. It doesn’t have that unique feel like Trekkie or rocker.
 
The Catholicism of FMA exists in every scene. Whether it was intentional or not isn’t even of importance. My book will not be aimed at a Japanese audience.

There are also those who will argue there’s no ‘Catholic’ content in LOTR either.
 
I still think it is damaging to use the word “otaku” in English, for the simple reason that it perpetuates a lie. Encouraging this word even as a badge of communal identity misleads people into believing that the word is something wholly different to what it really is.

That said, I’m not about to change what people want to call themselves by giving language lessons on a forum about the Catholic Faith. My background also means that Japanese don’t typically identify me as foreign on first meeting, and by the time they realise I’ve made a different impression. =)
The Catholicism of FMA exists in every scene. Whether it was intentional or not isn’t even of importance. My book will not be aimed at a Japanese audience.

There are also those who will argue there’s no ‘Catholic’ content in LOTR either.
The fundamental difference between these two scenarios is that FMA was written by Japanese non-Catholics for a culturally non-Christian Japanese audience. Whatever Catholic meaning is found (however consistently) is at least accidental, and at best an expression of the depth of the natural law and its presence even amongst people who have no native concept of it.

The Lord of the Rings saga, on the other hand, was crafted by a devout and catechetical Catholic for the purpose of portraying the realities of the Faith in a fantasy context. The author/s of FMA intended something other than Catholicism, so to find it deeply Catholic stretches it beyond its context. LotR was intended to be explicitly Catholic, and so arguing that it is devoid of Catholicism similarly stretches it beyond its own context.

Therefore, I don’t think I ever claimed that it didn’t have Catholic content. Rather, my position is that nothing in FMA struck me as explicitly, or even distinctly, Catholic. The interior spiritual context of the story seems to me like a sort of Westernised Shinto-Buddhism. The scenes of the gate between worlds are especially difficult for me to place, I can’t think of anything analogous to this.

Like I said, I am really looking forward to reading your book - and you’ve got me wanting to watch the whole thing over again too. I feel a little regret now at having essentially forced you to elucidate your thesis here on the forum before committing it fully to print.
 
I still think it is damaging to use the word “otaku” in English, for the simple reason that it perpetuates a lie. Encouraging this word even as a badge of communal identity misleads people into believing that the word is something wholly different to what it really is.

That said, I’m not about to change what people want to call themselves by giving language lessons on a forum about the Catholic Faith. My background also means that Japanese don’t typically identify me as foreign on first meeting, and by the time they realise I’ve made a different impression. =)

The fundamental difference between these two scenarios is that FMA was written by Japanese non-Catholics for a culturally non-Christian Japanese audience. Whatever Catholic meaning is found (however consistently) is at least accidental, and at best an expression of the depth of the natural law and its presence even amongst people who have no native concept of it.

The Lord of the Rings saga, on the other hand, was crafted by a devout and catechetical Catholic for the purpose of portraying the realities of the Faith in a fantasy context. The author/s of FMA intended something other than Catholicism, so to find it deeply Catholic stretches it beyond its context. LotR was intended to be explicitly Catholic, and so arguing that it is devoid of Catholicism similarly stretches it beyond its own context.

Therefore, I don’t think I ever claimed that it didn’t have Catholic content. Rather, my position is that nothing in FMA struck me as explicitly, or even distinctly, Catholic. The interior spiritual context of the story seems to me like a sort of Westernised Shinto-Buddhism. The scenes of the gate between worlds are especially difficult for me to place, I can’t think of anything analogous to this.

Like I said, I am really looking forward to reading your book - and you’ve got me wanting to watch the whole thing over again too. I feel a little regret now at having essentially forced you to elucidate your thesis here on the forum before committing it fully to print.
It’s not always a bad thing to force someone to defend a viewpoint.

What seems to be at issue here is your assumption that because FMA wasn’t written by a Catholic (or MAY not have been; there are indeed Catholics in Japan) there can not be any Catholic content.

Whether it’s intended or not, it remains the single most Catholic anime I’ve seen to date, and Alphonse Elric the perfect little ‘Catholic boy.’ And while we’re dealing with definitions let’s remember that the word Catholic itself means universal.

I doubt I’ll ever get to Japan. If I do I probably won’t refer to myself as otaku, but here it’s fine.
 
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